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Zuckerberg: Android's Openness Offers Opportunity for 'Way Better' Experience Than iPhone

scoobydoo99 said:
I said Google and all other tech companies. Just Google "Room 641a" for the AT&T - NSA partnership that gave NSA a secure internet traffic interception facility within AT&T property. In that case, an NSA Director estimated that 10 to 20 such facilities had been installed throughout the US. And that's just what they admit to publicly. This is not conspiracy theory - it is well documented in court filings and was featured on Frontline. You can assume hey have many, many such data mining arrangements that we don't know about. Government and corporations are completely intertwined. Don't think they aren't intercepting, logging, and data mining everything you do electronically.

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Totally right. I lump Apple in there too.
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I think you're being misleading. Or I haven't read what you have after googling what you asked. You said Google and other tech companies are just handing over data. Seems to me that it's not an entirely accurate statement. What sounds more accurate (and I admit to only reading a few links) is that they have/had access to ANYTHING going through ATT's pipes.

You realize the difference in semantics if this is the case. If the above premise is true - ATT is dumping everything. The individual companies aren't.

And based on this "In 2008, Congress took an unprecedented step — granting the telecom companies retroactive immunity from any civil or criminal liability for its lawbreaking." it seems as though they didn't have to worry about Google and others claiming they (ATT) broke the law.

So - honestly - which is it. Is the the telco handing over everything regardless of 3rd party vendor - or are all these 3rd party vendors handing over data themselves to the FBI as you originally asserted?
 
4TheLoveOfTech said:
Just stay with your iPhone. It's easier that way.

Kindle is not a Brick. It's not my choice of Tablets but many people love it as sales will point out. Do they make money on it? I don't know but it is not a brick.
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The Kindle looks pretty good. I was just saying that it is nothing without Google apps.
 
angrynstupid said:
Better experience, more open... this is just a sales pitch - it's got nothing to do with reality.
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I am shocked. You mean CEOs market their products and companies at press events?

Ballmer, Jobs, Cook, Schmidt, Zuckerberg - all the same. SALES PITCH. Nothing to do with reality.
 
If the statement from the title is true, why the Android is still so ******?
 
Exio said:
Hey, ever heard of open source? Yea, unlike iOS google and android are open source. Leaving any developer company the ability to take the stock android systems and modify them or change them and release them as their own. Do you really think HTC or Samsung collaborate with Google when they release their custom roms and skins on their devices?

People here get dumber and dumber everyday...
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true. and yes we do.
 
The only thing better could be an Angry Birds phone!!!!!!!!

Can we set it up to have the wallpaper be an animated picture of fluffy pink kittens??????

I hope they don't let any yucky stuff on the phone like spreadsheets or useless business apps.
 
Premium1 said:
Because you can change many services and arent necessarily locked down to what Google says. You can't sideload apps, use certain browsers for full control of the system, change the system without apple approval, things like that
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I guess it's just a matter of semantics. I'm not saying which one is better (get whats best for you) but to me, it looks like you lose most of the functionality without Google apps (i.e. locked to Google).
 
Plutonius said:
I guess it's just a matter of semantics. I'm not saying which one is better (get whats best for you) but to me, it looks like you lose most of the functionality without Google apps (i.e. locked to Google).
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You really don't lose any functionality besides Google Push services.
 
aerok said:
Facebook does not sell any info. Nor does Google, read and learn

http://www.facebook.com/help/152637448140583/
http://support.google.com/mail/answer/6603?hl=en
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"Personally identifying information" means your name. They don't sell your name, but they sell your profile. It's not much of a distinction, really, especially in the world of data mining where data can easily be paired up with other sources and get to the same place in the end. They sell your interests, what you buy, your location... they sell everything relevant to showing you ads which as far as the advertisers care is everything but your name. Just because it's neatly automated doesn't make it any less real.
 
Exio said:
Hey, ever heard of open source? Yea, unlike iOS google and android are open source. Leaving any developer company the ability to take the stock android systems and modify them or change them and release them as their own. Do you really think HTC or Samsung collaborate with Google when they release their custom roms and skins on their devices?

People here get dumber and dumber everyday...
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What you say may be true but Android is almost useless without Google apps. In my mind, that makes it a closed system just like Apple.
 
Plutonius said:
What you say may be true but Android is almost useless without Google apps. In my mind, that makes it a closed system just like Apple.
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Instead of saying Android is almost useless without Google Apps, prove it! I really don't see how it makes Android useless.

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mrxak said:
"Personally identifying information" means your name. They don't sell your name, but they sell your profile. It's not much of a distinction, really, especially in the world of data mining where data can easily be paired up with other sources and get to the same place in the end. They sell your interests, what you buy, your location... they sell everything relevant to showing you ads which as far as the advertisers care is everything but your name. Just because it's neatly automated doesn't make it any less real.
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They don't sell, they use your info to find relevant ads for you.
 
scoobydoo99 said:
I said Google and all other tech companies. Just Google "Room 641a" for the AT&T - NSA partnership that gave NSA a secure internet traffic interception facility within AT&T property. In that case, an NSA Director estimated that 10 to 20 such facilities had been installed throughout the US. And that's just what they admit to publicly. This is not conspiracy theory - it is well documented in court filings and was featured on Frontline. You can assume hey have many, many such data mining arrangements that we don't know about. Government and corporations are completely intertwined. Don't think they aren't intercepting, logging, and data mining everything you do electronically.

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Totally right. I lump Apple in there too.
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If you don't like the government reading your email, just run Open PGP. There are apps available for the iPhone. I am sure, the Android platform has them too.
 
aka

"I don't wanna sandbox my apps anymore. Apples rules make me have to think and work too hard. I'm making a facebook phone and you should buy it."
 
aerok said:
Never said you were right, I just said I would not argue against you on that since I did not read about and won't invent anything, still the data is not sold to anyone. But at this point, since you can't even provide proof, I might as think it's just FUD.
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I see that you and samcraig have a fondness for the "FUD" acronym, it's getting old. Using "FUD" to discredit a post is, itself, FUD.

Did you not read the information in my post #255 for an example of secret corporate/government domestic spying? I suppose if I had Top Secret clearance, I could regale you with examples of NSA, CIA, and FBI domestic data mining. Can't you Google search it yourself? It's pretty well-documented. The Electronic Frontier Foundation would be a start:

"First, the government convinced the major telecommunications companies in the US, including AT&T, MCI, and Sprint, to hand over the “call-detail records” of their customers. According to an investigation by USA Today, this included “customers' names, street addresses, and other personal information.” In addition, the government received “detailed records of calls they made—across town or across the country—to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others.”

A person familiar with the matter told USA Today that the agency's goal was "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders. All of this was done without a warrant or any judicial oversight."

This is just calls, there are similar government efforts to intercept and log every internet query (e.g. Google) and email.
 
ivladster said:
Oh yeah. Is that why Nexus phones (the most open version of Android as a phone) is not supporting this Facebook takeover?

Facebook might have the freedom now, but Google is not stupid, they are their competitor.

You think Google likes Facebook's partnership with Bing and all that other search products they're working on? Hmmmm
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Google can't do anything about it.

Only thing that Google can do is kick members who fork Android out of the OHA and deny Google services. And this is not a fork

Google is dumb for giving out Android for free. A few years later, competitors are now using it to create all kinds of problems for Google.
 
mrxak said:
"Personally identifying information" means your name. They don't sell your name, but they sell your profile. It's not much of a distinction, really, especially in the world of data mining where data can easily be paired up with other sources and get to the same place in the end. They sell your interests, what you buy, your location... they sell everything relevant to showing you ads which as far as the advertisers care is everything but your name. Just because it's neatly automated doesn't make it any less real.
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Oh stop.

At no time does the advertiser in the transaction gain access to any personal data nor even your demographics personally.

Do you even know how ad placement works?

Company A has a product. They believe a certain demographic is their best audience. Let's call them 24-49 year old males, in the north east who own apple computers and have visited CNN. So they contact Google. They say - hey - here's a list of demographics we want to hit. Google says - how many impressions do you want to pay for. Company A says X amount. Googles bills them for $x. Or even via the adwords program, the customer can pick and chose and charge it to their credit card.

AT NO TIME does the 3rd party (Company A) have access to any of Google's information.

Spinning this as Google sells private information or gives access to your profile (generic or not) is just a fallacy perpetuated by ignorance.
 
scoobydoo99 said:
This is just calls, there are similar government efforts to intercept and log every internet query (e.g. Google) and email.
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Efforts but just that, I made my own searches and have no found no conclusive evidence that Google shares info with the government. I did not mention anything about other corporations.

If you do find a credible source stating otherwise, feel free to enlighten me.

http://www.technologyreview.com/vie...ments-growing-appetite-for-google-users-data/
 
scoobydoo99 said:
I see that you and samcraig have a fondness for the "FUD" acronym, it's getting old. Using "FUD" to discredit a post is, itself, FUD.

Did you not read the information in my post #255 for an example of secret corporate/government domestic spying? I suppose if I had Top Secret clearance, I could regale you with examples of NSA, CIA, and FBI domestic data mining. Can't you Google search it yourself? It's pretty well-documented. The Electronic Frontier Foundation would be a start:

"First, the government convinced the major telecommunications companies in the US, including AT&T, MCI, and Sprint, to hand over the “call-detail records” of their customers. According to an investigation by USA Today, this included “customers' names, street addresses, and other personal information.” In addition, the government received “detailed records of calls they made—across town or across the country—to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others.”

A person familiar with the matter told USA Today that the agency's goal was "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders. All of this was done without a warrant or any judicial oversight."

This is just calls, there are similar government efforts to intercept and log every internet query (e.g. Google) and email.
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I call it FUD because you're making it out like Google and others hand over the data. They don't. Not according to what I read. And that's not what you're saying above either. The Telco's giving free reign to the government is not the same as Google/FB/etc giving up data.

mrxak said:
And I'm sure they don't get paid for that at all :rolleyes:
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That's irrelevant. Apple gets paid for iAds. Apple and Google's privacy policies are nearly identical.
 
Liquorpuki said:
Google is dumb for giving out Android for free. A few years later, competitors are now using it to create all kinds of problems for Google.
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I really can't help but think that Google made Android on a whim just to see if they could, as an experiment, without any clue about what they wanted to do with it. It would explain all the numerous business blunders they've made along the way. Really, I think other than their original search engine and ad service, everything they've done has been an experiment with no business plan.
 
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