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Facebook Home - who cares if your too lazy to launch the Facebook app, you have a problem....
use Siri to launch facebook if your lazy
 
I really can't help but think that Google made Android on a whim just to see if they could, as an experiment, without any clue about what they wanted to do with it. It would explain all the numerous business blunders they've made along the way. Really, I think other than their original search engine and ad service, everything they've done has been an experiment with no business plan.

Google bought Android
 
I think you're being misleading. Or I haven't read what you have after googling what you asked. You said Google and other tech companies are just handing over data. Seems to me that it's not an entirely accurate statement. What sounds more accurate (and I admit to only reading a few links) is that they have/had access to ANYTHING going through ATT's pipes.

You realize the difference in semantics if this is the case. If the above premise is true - ATT is dumping everything. The individual companies aren't.

And based on this "In 2008, Congress took an unprecedented step — granting the telecom companies retroactive immunity from any civil or criminal liability for its lawbreaking." it seems as though they didn't have to worry about Google and others claiming they (ATT) broke the law.

So - honestly - which is it. Is the the telco handing over everything regardless of 3rd party vendor - or are all these 3rd party vendors handing over data themselves to the FBI as you originally asserted?

What is your distinction between AT&T and a "third-party vendor"? AT&T is a corporation that has certain data (packets of data sent over the internet, or correlations of cell phones with locations), Google and Apple and Facebook have different types of data (links and associations between users through their platforms, purchase history, search history, etc), etc. The commonality is that they are private corporations that are not REQUIRED to give ANY user data to the government without a court order. The fact is, they CHOOSE to give the government anything they ask for, including setting up a physical tap into the live data feed. So yes, as I originally asserted, each corporation is "cooperating" by handing over whatever data they control.
 
Google can't do anything about it.

Only thing that Google can do is kick members who fork Android out of the OHA and deny Google services. And this is not a fork

Google is dumb for giving out Android for free. A few years later, competitors are now using it to create all kinds of problems for Google.

Google's stock is up over $200 over that last year.

Apple's stock is down over $200 over the last year.

I don't think investors see it the same way as you do.
 
What is your distinction between AT&T and a "third-party vendor"? AT&T is a corporation that has certain data (packets of data sent over the internet, or correlations of cell phones with locations), Google and Apple and Facebook have different types of data (links and associations between users through their platforms, purchase history, search history, etc), etc. The commonality is that they are private corporations that are not REQUIRED to give ANY user data to the government without a court order. The fact is, they CHOOSE to give the government anything they ask for, including setting up a physical tap into the live data feed. So yes, as I originally asserted, each corporation is "cooperating" by handing over whatever data they control.

Google did not hand data to government. Prove me otherwise with a source if you can.
 
If nobody uses Facebook than why does the App Store Facebook page have 7.2 million likes?

https://www.facebook.com/AppStore

Why does Apple have an official Facebook Page with 8.9 Million Likes?

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Apple-Inc/137947732957611


Even those examples are just a fraction of the total active users. There are over 1 Billion active Facebook users now...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/number-active-users-facebook-over-years-214600186--finance.html
 
I really can't help but think that Google made Android on a whim just to see if they could, as an experiment, without any clue about what they wanted to do with it. It would explain all the numerous business blunders they've made along the way. Really, I think other than their original search engine and ad service, everything they've done has been an experiment with no business plan.

Yeah they do a lot of things this way. IE they created maps without knowing how they were gonna make money off it. Then later they were like, oh maybe we can charge businesses to stick their logo on the map, maybe we can license it.

With Android I think they just wanted to have a presence on mobile in place and thought they'd figure out how to monetize off it in the future. So far this presence has gotten Samsung and Amazon rich, is providing Microsoft a steady stream of income through patent licensing, and is giving competitors like Baidu and Facebook a tool to compete against them.
 
Next thing to go down: Google+
And… Phil Shiller will delete Facebook app from his iPhone.
 
Even if Facebook Home was available for the iPhone, I wouldn't want it. It's pretty clear that its bloatware on top of a bloated OS (android). Why would anyone want to drag their iPhone experience down with this junk?? Only the latest, highest spec'd android phones can even run it.
 
What is your distinction between AT&T and a "third-party vendor"? AT&T is a corporation that has certain data (packets of data sent over the internet, or correlations of cell phones with locations), Google and Apple and Facebook have different types of data (links and associations between users through their platforms, purchase history, search history, etc), etc. The commonality is that they are private corporations that are not REQUIRED to give ANY user data to the government without a court order. The fact is, they CHOOSE to give the government anything they ask for, including setting up a physical tap into the live data feed. So yes, as I originally asserted, each corporation is "cooperating" by handing over whatever data they control.

You haven't shown anything that proves anyone but ATT has done this.

You can keep posting long comments and repeating yourself. Maybe you should just post simple evidence. A specific link that shows Google, Apple or Facebook has willingly given private information to the government without a warrant.

The problem I have with your assertion is that there is a BIG difference. Giving access to the "pipe" is not the same as Google, Apple, Facebook, etc handing over information. Definitely not willingly.
 
Seriously?! Boy, maybe my iPhone 5 is defective.

Or, maybe you are completely and utterly confused....:cool:

There is NO iOS Flashlight app which works in the background. NONE (unless you jailbreak, which I don't want to do on my iPhone, as I have to be OS current).

This is fact.

I'm saying the other way around. You mentioned not being able to use a flashlight or text while on a call. The call could be in the background and still use your flashlight or messages app.
 
Google did not hand data to government. Prove me otherwise with a source if you can.

From http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-Report-68-of-Government-Data-Requests-Warrantless-122869

"According to Google's latest transparency report, more than two-thirds of the requests submitted to the company for private user information aren't backed by warrants. According to the study, various parts of the United States government made over 8,400 requests for nearly 15,000 accounts -- significantly more than any other government. The customer data collected ranges from names and IP's used to create accounts, to time stamps for when Gmail accounts were logged in and out of.

As Techdirt notes, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act continues to be abused by a government that long ago stopped having to worry about oversight into its warrantless surveillance practices."

Google's Blog (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/transparency-report-what-it-takes-for.html) shows that Google provided at least "some data" in around 85% of those warrantless cases.

So the source is Google itself. Hope that helps.
 
Zuckerberg: "Of course, a lot of people also love iPhones—I love mine, and I would like to be able to deliver Facebook Home there as well.”

So the phone he loves so much isn't even an Android phone AND he won't be able to use his own product. LOL. Nice. :rolleyes:

LOL....Stop imaging something by your own imagination... Come back face the reality...
 
You haven't shown anything that proves anyone but ATT has done this.

You can keep posting long comments and repeating yourself. Maybe you should just post simple evidence. A specific link that shows Google, Apple or Facebook has willingly given private information to the government without a warrant.

The problem I have with your assertion is that there is a BIG difference. Giving access to the "pipe" is not the same as Google, Apple, Facebook, etc handing over information. Definitely not willingly.

See above for willingly handing over information.

I can't do all the reasearch for you. There are too many instances known and many more that are unknown. I have provided enough information to substantiate my initial statement that anyone who thinks Google (or any other corporation) isn't willingly handing over information to the government without a warrant is naive.
 
He's right..... it's the perfect platform to hack

Zucker likes it because he can take over the user interface to his desire.....


it's a great experience for him......

I'll stick with much more secure IOS
 
Google's stock is up over $200 over that last year.

Apple's stock is down over $200 over the last year.

I don't think investors see it the same way as you do.

I sold AAPL at $485 and I don't own GOOG, I could care less about stock prices

Go ask those investors how they feel about their money being used to fund the development of an OS that 6 years later still hasn't made Google any money. Instead that OS is being used by all their competitors to weaken Google's position on mobile.
 
Google's Blog (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/transparency-report-what-it-takes-for.html) shows that Google provided at least "some data" in around 85% of those warrantless cases.

So the source is Google itself. Hope that helps.

Someone is going to have to help me with this. I don't see where you're getting that google provided at least some data in around 85% of WARRANTLESS cases. I only see how it adds up to releasing SOME data for WARRANTED or other which isn't defined (but only a fraction of the requests).

What am I missing Scoobydoo99?

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Honestly, who cares what zuckerberg thinks about anything? He's just a guy who had one good idea and made a lot of money off it. It's not like he has some particular insight or wisdom into these matters.
 
See above for willingly handing over information.

I can't do all the reasearch for you. There are too many instances known and many more that are unknown. I have provided enough information to substantiate my initial statement that anyone who thinks Google (or any other corporation) isn't willingly handing over information to the government without a warrant is naive.

Actually - on this forum - two forum "rules" apply (asking others to google/perpetuation of hoaxes) is that if you make a claim like this - you need to have proof points.

https://macrumors.zendesk.com/hc/en-us#Forum_Rules
 
Those things depend on the user. I can't use an Android phones keyboard at all and never use the input/outputs that iOS gives me (except for the headphones). You may do though. That means it's a subjective user experience.

Swype is a great keyboard, something that is sorely missing on iOS. Even something as basic as Haptic feedback.

iOS could do use SD card support.

Just saying with Android there is a choice; Apple should consider loosing then reigns a bit and give users some options.
 
Someone is going to have to help me with this. I don't see where you're getting that google provided at least some data in around 85% of WARRANTLESS cases. I only see how it adds up to releasing SOME data for WARRANTED or other which isn't defined (but only a fraction of the requests).

What am I missing Scoobydoo99?

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I was wondering the same
 
I said Google and all other tech companies. Just Google "Room 641a" for the AT&T - NSA partnership that gave NSA a secure internet traffic interception facility within AT&T property. In that case, an NSA Director estimated that 10 to 20 such facilities had been installed throughout the US. And that's just what they admit to publicly. This is not conspiracy theory - it is well documented in court filings and was featured on Frontline. You can assume hey have many, many such data mining arrangements that we don't know about. Government and corporations are completely intertwined. Don't think they aren't intercepting, logging, and data mining everything you do electronically.

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Totally right. I lump Apple in there too.

Following 9/11, it was announced that ALL e-mail would be scanned / perused / analyzed by AT&T computers using a program called Viper (or something similar) to determine which users might be planning more attacks. ONE room? In 10 to 20 and more locations. People who were unaware f this just are too young or don't keep up with current affairs.

To accuse the U.S. of violating the law and the privacy of those using the internet is ridiculous in light of the consequences. It is interesting that the outcome of the original class-action case in 2006 is not stated in the Wikipedia article on Room 641A.
 
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