Zuckerberg: Android's Openness Offers Opportunity for 'Way Better' Experience Than iPhone

[scoobydoo99]

Someone is going to have to help me with this. I don't see where you're getting that google provided at least some data in around 85% of WARRANTLESS cases. I only see how it adds up to releasing SOME data for WARRANTED or other which isn't defined (but only a fraction of the requests).

What am I missing Scoobydoo99?

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Look at the chart on the right. The blue dots for "subpoena", "search warrant", and "other" are all on top of each other, in the 85% range. The WARRANTLESS requests are the "subpoena" ones (medium blue). A subpoena doesn't require a judge and is basically a request from law enforcement.

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Following 9/11, it was announced that ALL e-mail would be scanned / perused / analyzed by AT&T computers using a program called Viper (or something similar) to determine which users might be planning more attacks. ONE room? In 10 to 20 and more locations. People who were unaware f this just are too young or don't keep up with current affairs.

To accuse the U.S. of violating the law and the privacy of those using the internet is ridiculous in light of the consequences. It is interesting that the outcome of the original class-action case in 2006 is not stated in the Wikipedia article on Room 641A.

i assume your response is sarcastic? for a minute there you had me thinking someone could really be THAT jingoistic! That all it takes to make it OK is for it to be "announced" that the government is throwing civil rights out the window. I think someone did that once before, like in Germany....?

 

[macsrcool1234]

I really hope Apple takes note of this in all honesty.

The SDK really need to be expanded to be able to tap into more phone functions.

To counteract privacy concerns, simply make any app that needs access to SMS, Mail, e.g. require approval similar to how location apps do.

 

[aerok]

Look at the chart on the right. The blue dots for "subpoena", "search warrant", and "other" are all on top of each other, in the 85% range. The WARRANTLESS requests are the "subpoena" ones (medium blue). A subpoena doesn't require a judge and is basically a request from law enforcement.

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i assume your response is sarcastic? for a minute there you had me thinking someone could really be THAT jingoistic! That all it takes to make it OK is for it to be "announced" that the government is throwing civil rights out the window. I think someone did that once before, like in Germany....?

So they didn't have the choice to comply or not

 

[scoobydoo99]

So they didn't have the choice to comply or not

Yes, they do. A subpeona is not enforceable, a court order is. A subpeona goes in the trash.

 

[iPunish901]

i dont want this bs on my iphone, let this be exclusive for android

BUT i do agree the ios needs to be more open

 

[charlituna]

why would apple allow facebook to hijack their phones?

They won't.

But it's nice to see Mark admit that Tim Cook is 'above his pay grade’

 

[arashb]

Isn't Facebook for Android complete crap though? Or was that just the tablet Android version of Facebook that was crap?

 

[samcraig]

Yes, they do. A subpeona is not enforceable, a court order is. A subpeona goes in the trash.

Yeah. I'm no lawyer I admit. And I don't put all my credence in Wikipedia. But that's not what I'm reading

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpoena

 

[charlituna]

Remember when Friendster was the most popular? People won't make the same mistake again! They're on to Twitter

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/02/friendster-autopsy/

 

[HenryDJP]

that's like your opinion, man

Well twice the amount of people including me agree with him over the amount that agrees with you.

 

[charlituna]

So, if Apple's market research shows that customer's aren't buying iPhone due to an excessive walled garden, you don't think Apple would relax the wall but instead ignore the issue and carry on regardless? This was the context of my OP.

Apple doesn't do market research.

 

[lordofthereef]

I literally just made myself a snack so I can watch you folks argue about something completely off topic from the Facebook phone. Keep it coming.

 

[samcraig]

Apple doesn't do market research.

Ummm not so fast...

http://www.research-live.com/apple-does-do-market-research-it-always-has/4007940.blog

and http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/07/26/turns-out-apple-conducts-market-research-after-all/

 

[coolspot18]

Isn't Facebook for Android complete crap though? Or was that just the tablet Android version of Facebook that was crap?

There is no tablet version for android,the standard version doesn't scale well onto tablets. Photos overly large - no wonder, Facebook spent all their time developing this launcher!

 

[lordofthereef]

There is no tablet version for android, so the standard version doesn't scale well onto tablets. Photos overly large - no wonder, Facebook spent all their time developing this launcher!

I think they're both crap. So is windows phone. iOS has had a decent Facebook app for something like six months. Before that it was a clunky, slow, crashy, mess.

 

[Sedrick]

Your Android ways frighten and confuse me!

 

[StyxMaker]

He's probably right about the time, I do spend about 20% of the screen time of my phone in the facebook app. However, my goal is to shrink this number, not grow it. I don't want MORE facebook. I want less facebook, more efficiently. And I especially want to keep it easy to ignore facebook (by using willpower to not open the app).

I try to remember to check FB every day but its more like every three days.

 

[Greg.]

Claassssic MacRumors.
The lack of openness clearly is a problem for iOS. Consumers want choice and don't want to be locked down to one stock app when they can see alternatives that are better (obvious example is keyboards).
About the Facebook phone - I think it's come too late.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Facebook is the next windows! They have no taste as well
And they don't care about our privacy.

You meant they are going to be even more dominant than they are now?

 

[Mr. Gates]

Your Android ways frighten and confuse me!

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Hilarious !

But be careful, I once got a 2 week time out for invoking the image of "Caveman Lawyer"

The mods do not have a sense of humor that they are aware of

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You meant they are going to be even more dominant than they are now?

Oh lawrdy ....Here we go...

 

[kingtj]

More quality, NOT quantity...

I'm a somewhat avid FB user myself, but I still have to agree with you.
I've never thought, "Gee... I wish Facebook was more tightly integrated into the rest of my device!" The fact Apple did that with Mountain Lion and the latest iOS revisions was one of the more useless enhancements I've seen in recent years, all in all.

I like to keep Facebook in its own little space, so I can launch it when I want to, work with it, and leave it when I'm done.

I started playing around with Flipbook and I do find that somewhat interesting. Let it present me with selected content from my FB account in a magazine format, where it's easy to browse through in a less linear way than simply scrolling down a web page continuously.

But absolutely no ... I don't view FB as something worthy of showing up on my phone's home screen, lock screen, etc. At the end of the day, it's really just another website and you never know when the "next big thing" will come along and unseat it anyway? It wasn't THAT long ago, people would have argued for MySpace integration. Today? Laughable ...

He's probably right about the time, I do spend about 20% of the screen time of my phone in the facebook app. However, my goal is to shrink this number, not grow it. I don't want MORE facebook. I want less facebook, more efficiently. And I especially want to keep it easy to ignore facebook (by using willpower to not open the app).

 

[inlinevolvo]

I would not feel comfortable having other people's images being my lock screen wallpaper... And Zukerberg is wrong, good user experiences need to have consistency. By placing Facebook on such a high pedestal and essentially demoting apps with just as much importance, Facebook destroyed the little consistency that Android had in the first place. It's a mess. iPhone still offers the best experience because Apple knows that consistency and ease of use trump useless features that add complexity.

I don't see how this destroys android. It is just a new flavor.

 

[mandis]

Swype is a great keyboard, something that is sorely missing on iOS. Even something as basic as Haptic feedback.

iOS could do use SD card support.

Just saying with Android there is a choice; Apple should consider loosing then reigns a bit and give users some options.

I've always had problems with the default Android keyboard. I can't seem to be able to write as fast on it as on my iphone. I believe the Swype keyboard requires keystrokes to be a lot more precise...

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Hey, ever heard of open source? Yea, unlike iOS google and android are open source. Leaving any developer company the ability to take the stock android systems and modify them or change them and release them as their own. Do you really think HTC or Samsung collaborate with Google when they release their custom roms and skins on their devices?

People here get dumber and dumber everyday...

Like: http://opensource.apple.com/

There is tons of code there to leverage for your own projects. Obviously, FreeBSD/Darwin share a lot of code.

Stock bragging about Google and FOSS. Google hides a lot of their IP from the FOSS communities.

 

[Mackan]

Facebook is a plague.