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Zune HD or iPod Touch

  • Zune HD

    Votes: 10 7.5%
  • iPod Touch

    Votes: 120 90.2%
  • Neither...... Just in case.

    Votes: 3 2.3%

  • Total voters
    133
My point is that I cannot just connect the iPod Touch to iTunes and say "take all of these photos and put them on my drive" without using iPhoto first. Nor can I use any other app to do it.

You don't have to use iPhoto. You can use Image Capture to do it. It's in your Applications folder on your Mac. You can even set Image Capture to open instead of iPhoto when you connect your iPod. (or AutoImporter, which, I assume does exactly what you're saying the iPod can't do.)

I don't understand why this is an argument for the Zune HD. This isn't a problem with the Zune HD because the Zune HD doesn't have a camera.

I agree that the Zune HD is a better music device. (As long as you have a Zune Pass subscription.) Unfortunately, I don't want to carry around a separate device that only plays music anymore.
 
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[*]The iPod Touch 4's audio quality is just not nearly as robust as the Zune HD. It just isn't.
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That's a myth that keeps getting spread throughout the internet. In terms of frequency response and distortion, the iPod has been one of better players in the market if anything. The problem with the iPod is NOT the audio quality, but audio customization.

I like the Zunes, but if I really wanted a player just for offline media, I'd rather pick one of the Cowon players.
 
Your ignorance on the details of the issue is simply adding nothing but static. A vanilla 4.1 iPod Touch 4G with no other apps installed and Wifi active will indeed drain in 24 hours. I feel no need to convince you otherwise, you are free to believe what you wish.

Then I must have the wonderchild of iPod touch 4G's. 48 hours since charging, frequent use and I'm still at 50%! Wifi always enabled, push Exchange server set up. I must be living in some beautiful dream world.

The fact that you think that Apple "introduced" multitasking with 4.0 is further proof that you need to do a little more research. (FYI, multitasking has been around since day-1 of the iPod Touch)

They did introduce multitasking - 3rd party multitasking, one of whose apps is causing the battery drain you're seeing.

Your first-hand experience does not negate the experiences of others. Not all bugs are universally experienced by everyone. Many bugs are only revealed under certain conditions. The conditions have not been fully identified yet. Wifi and the 4.1 upgrade are part of the mix.

I think you'll find the only "bug" is the app that's keeping your wifi alive 100% of the time.
 
The Zune HD is a superior MEDIA device. Media, meaning videos, music, etc ON YOUR DEVICE (not streaming, besides radio). Right now it has no peer. The iPod Touch 4 cannot touch it (pun intended). Zune HD's media presence is not hobbled by apps, it's about your own content, your own way, without another company (Apple) telling you how to get it or put it there.

Shrink the Zune to the size of the new nano, drop the price to $40, and I'll get one. Otherwise, I find the Sansa Clip+ to be the superior device.
 
Your ignorance on the details of the issue is simply adding nothing but static. A vanilla 4.1 iPod Touch 4G with no other apps installed and Wifi active will indeed drain in 24 hours. I feel no need to convince you otherwise, you are free to believe what you wish.

The fact that you think that Apple "introduced" multitasking with 4.0 is further proof that you need to do a little more research. (FYI, multitasking has been around since day-1 of the iPod Touch)



Your first-hand experience does not negate the experiences of others. Not all bugs are universally experienced by everyone. Many bugs are only revealed under certain conditions. The conditions have not been fully identified yet. Wifi and the 4.1 upgrade are part of the mix.

And neither do yours, buddy.
 
FAIL. I'm saying that as someone who has owned a Zune 30, a Zune 8, and a Zune HD, and who hasn't owned an Apple product since 1994 before buying my 4th gen 64 GB Touch.

The sad fact is that the only device that even came close to surpassing the Zune HD was the previous gen Nano. That is the only iPod that truly was worthy of the praise it received. I've said it before - the Touch is for people who want to play games, not listen to music, which is an "Oh by the way" feature on it.



Myth. Neither the Zune software nor the Zune HD even do gapless reliably. I was fully expecting to be disappointed by the sound quality of the Touch. I was not.

Gapless is a feature used by selective few. When I say it's better at music, I'm talking about the experience.

If I'm listening to an artist whose songs I own, I'm presented with a list of other albums from that artist, including ones I may never have heard of. I can buy them right from the device. The Touch does not do that. That feature is how you sell music. Why iTunes is incapable of such a simple, yet effective feature is beyond me. Half of my library came from that methodology.

On the Touch I have to crank the volume to just below max to get any usable sound. On the Zune HD I'm going deaf on the halfway mark.

The Zune HD presents music in genres for easy playback. The Touch does not. It lists them that way but does not allow me to create my own "radio" from a genre.

The music EXPERIENCE is superior.


I don't know where you get the "half the clicks" bit from.

TO play a genre on the Zune HD, I go Music --> then hit the little play button next to the genre I want. It automatically plays the music in the genre in random order.

To do the same on the Touch I go Music --> ....wait, I have to back out of the last song that was playing. OK, then I go to More --> Genres --> Pick the Genre --> ...uh oh, it wants me to play an artist. I can't just tell it to play all of the music in the genre in random order. I could use Genius Playlist but that requires iTunes - meaning I have to be near a computer. I could go to Top 25, but that's only 25 songs - maybe 2 hours worth of music.

In other words, it's WAY too many clicks to perform a basic function. It wants me to create a playlist in advance and shuffle it. I could create such playlists, but what if the music changes? That's a pain to keep going back updating the playlist over and over again when I add or remove music from the Touch. Versus the Zune HD which "just works".


The Zune Pass is the only reason for the Zune to exist, and it sucks. Many albums aren't available, and there is an almost ubiquitous policy that songs >= 10 minutes long are "Album Only", preventing them from being downloaded without purchasing the whole album. You can't even use the 10 free song credits you are allotted each month for this. In addition, most albums contain more than 10 songs, so to use your credits on the albums where it's possible to do so, you have to download them over two or more months. It ain't worth the trouble.

I don't use Zune Pass. The Zune Marketplace - the interface - is superior to iTunes. That's all I'm saying. Zune Marketplace lets you manage your device a lot more cleanly than iTunes does. iTunes wants you to lock your device to that one computer or face having all your content deleted. Zune Marketplace doesn't care. I can freely move whatever files on or off the device as I see fit. Apple treats you like a criminal. Microsoft says "it's yours to do with as you wish."


I'm not even going to talk about how glacially slow the Zune software is with large collections.

Do you know why Zune is "slow" on collections? Because you left on the option for it to reorganize your files for you. If you tell it to just scan and track the files wherever they may be and not move them or copy them, it's no slower than iTunes under the same conditions. Again, Zune will allow me to move files to and from the device as I see fit. iTunes wants to sync everything and only on one computer, and treat you like a criminal for it. Tap the same Touch into two different computers and see what happens by default. Tap the same Zune HD into two different computers and watch it happily bring the music in - like a good music player should.
 
The Zune HD is fugly.

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Your first-hand experience does not negate the experiences of others. Not all bugs are universally experienced by everyone. Many bugs are only revealed under certain conditions. The conditions have not been fully identified yet. Wifi and the 4.1 upgrade are part of the mix.

And how do you know that others' experience are not user errors like left Skype running, fetching email, or WIFI in their bedrooms are so weak it searched for better signal all the time? In short, your bad experience does not negate others either.
I'm willing to experiment though. Just tell me what you did to drain battery overnight.
 
The sad fact is that the only device that even came close to surpassing the Zune HD was the previous gen Nano. That is the only iPod that truly was worthy of the praise it received. I've said it before - the Touch is for people who want to play games, not listen to music, which is an "Oh by the way" feature on it.

:rolleyes: I'm calling troll on this one. If music was an afterthought on the iPod Touch, then everything on the Zune HD was a me-too afterthought.


If I'm listening to an artist whose songs I own, I'm presented with a list of other albums from that artist, including ones I may never have heard of. I can buy them right from the device. The Touch does not do that. That feature is how you sell music. Why iTunes is incapable of such a simple, yet effective feature is beyond me. Half of my library came from that methodology.

That's not a feature, that's effing annoying and patronizing. If I want music, I know where the iTunes store is. The fact that Apple has never let the iTunes store bleed into the Music app is a very good thing.

TO play a genre on the Zune HD, I go Music --> then hit the little play button next to the genre I want. It automatically plays the music in the genre in random order.

To do the same on the Touch I go Music --> ....wait, I have to back out of the last song that was playing. OK, then I go to More --> Genres --> Pick the Genre --> ...uh oh, it wants me to play an artist. I can't just tell it to play all of the music in the genre in random order. I could use Genius Playlist but that requires iTunes - meaning I have to be near a computer. I could go to Top 25, but that's only 25 songs - maybe 2 hours worth of music.

In other words, it's WAY too many clicks to perform a basic function. It wants me to create a playlist in advance and shuffle it. I could create such playlists, but what if the music changes? That's a pain to keep going back updating the playlist over and over again when I add or remove music from the Touch. Versus the Zune HD which "just works".

Yeah, I'll be honest, I don't use my touch for the Music app that much, but just for fun, I pulled my Touch out and was able to figure out how to shuffle an entire genre in a few seconds. No playlists, no genius set up. So I have no idea what you're blathering about.

(Hint, it's More > Genres > (Genre) > All Albums > All Songs > Shuffle)

Apple treats you like a criminal. Microsoft says "it's yours to do with as you wish."

This is the same Microsoft that has rampant software activation and famously paid Universal a flat fee per Zune 30 sold, right?

Do you know why Zune is "slow" on collections? Because you left on the option for it to reorganize your files for you. If you tell it to just scan and track the files wherever they may be and not move them or copy them, it's no slower than iTunes under the same conditions. Again, Zune will allow me to move files to and from the device as I see fit. iTunes wants to sync everything and only on one computer, and treat you like a criminal for it. Tap the same Touch into two different computers and see what happens by default. Tap the same Zune HD into two different computers and watch it happily bring the music in - like a good music player should.

I have manual sync enabled on multiple computers...so it's no problem. I can copy whatever I want from each computer.

I'd suggest you just go post on zune forums because you love it so much, but I wouldn't want you to be lonely.
 
Do you know why Zune is "slow" on collections? Because you left on the option for it to reorganize your files for you. If you tell it to just scan and track the files wherever they may be and not move them or copy them, it's no slower than iTunes under the same conditions. Again, Zune will allow me to move files to and from the device as I see fit. iTunes wants to sync everything and only on one computer, and treat you like a criminal for it. Tap the same Touch into two different computers and see what happens by default. Tap the same Zune HD into two different computers and watch it happily bring the music in - like a good music player should.

No time or patience to respond to all your voluminous nonsense, so I'll just focus on this last bit. The Zune software never reorganized any of my files. There is no such option in the Zune software. You are thinking of Windows Media Player, which does have such an option. Going back to Windows XP, my SOP when installing Windows is to disable all of WMP's library management capabilities, including reorganizing files and adding or replacing metadata. I also nuke the Windows 7 Music Library to avoid the "endless library rebuilding" bug, which Microsoft hasn't addressed except with an unreliable hotfix. As for managing files on the Touch, I have a playlist for that, and I sync only that, and it's about the same as the Zune's more implicit "Sync Groups". As for plugging the Touch into two different computers, I have no use for that; the thought's never occurred to me.
 
Yeah, I'll be honest, I don't use my touch for the Music app that much, but just for fun, I pulled my Touch out and was able to figure out how to shuffle an entire genre in a few seconds. No playlists, no genius set up. So I have no idea what you're blathering about.

(Hint, it's More > Genres > (Genre) > All Albums > All Songs > Shuffle)

Thank you for making my point for me. Six clicks compared to the Zune HD's two clicks. Exactly my point. That's WAY too many clicks for a basic function. It's not about time, it's about efficiency. Zune's interface is efficient, Touch's interface is linear and extremely counter intuitive.

Put it this way: I should be able to start up a genre playlist with one hand without half looking at the device. I can do that with the Zune HD. I cannot with the Touch.
 
Thank you for making my point for me. Six clicks compared to the Zune HD's two clicks. Exactly my point. That's WAY too many clicks for a basic function. It's not about time, it's about efficiency. Zune's interface is efficient, Touch's interface is linear and extremely counter intuitive.

Er, no, you said it was flat out not possible to play all songs from a genre randomly directly from the Touch interface without the use of playlists or genius. You were wrong. As in, really easily disproven. I can't take your criticisms of the Music app (or any modern incarnation of it at least) seriously as a result.

Put it this way: I should be able to start up a genre playlist with one hand without half looking at the device. I can do that with the Zune HD. I cannot with the Touch.

So? Then use the Zune. Enjoy it, by all means.
 
I agree with the point about making an entire Genre shuffle being somewhat arduous on the iPod Touch, and the playlist creation/management as well. Apple would be inspired to fix that part in some next iteration.
However, it's uber-easy to make-up for that shortcoming when you sync the iPod Touch.
I wish the iPt/iPhone Music App had the iTunes "Intelligent Playlist" option.
 
That said, there may be some functions of the Music App which are easier to access than on the Zune HD? I don't know. I've never used the Zunes.

Exactly. Every devices has its strength and weakness (for example, Zune HD has no support for wireless n. A deal brealker. (And does it support lyric?)). For me the most important is not "how many clicks" but "how easy it is". On paper it looks like 6 clicks is much more complicated than 2 clicks but in reality I don't find I'm annoyed with it. Whatever people like to boast, in the end it's just a second more. That's all.

Also Zune HD still can't play FLAC make it useless for a lot of PC users. At least on my iPT I can zumocast my FLAC library all day long.
 
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