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MS is the market leader because they started out a year too early (yes it was too early, hence the massive hardware failures) and bought a bunch of exclusivity early on, killing any competition for the titles.

Y'know, that reminds me of two things. First, Vista. Second,
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This is really getting on my nerves. They don't sell brown Zunes anymore.

Sorry. That's the one that I saw first hand. Haven't seen any other since then.

And yes, I did know that they don't sell them. I know about the new colors - and that I've used them in arguments earlier this thread.
But it's just that when I hear Zune that's what I think of. Anyways "brown" makes a better comparison of what that joke was meant to talk about.
 
This baby green is just a different flavor of the same stuff though :

That's just a muted green. It's not a brown Zune.

I'm sure I'm one of the very few, but I liked the brown Zune. It wasn't like all other MP3 players and it would have gone well with some of my outfits. I wish the new shuffles came in more colors... that way I could match them with more of my clothes, but instead I would have to wear greys/whites/blacks.
 
Gosh, sorry.
I'll go gather some of the neighbours and we'll go perform a questionnaire.

Don't be absurd.
Ah, but you and your neighbours do not, and never did represent the industry, the consumers, or the customers as a whole. Please use official facts and figures made by reputable (or somewhat reputable) sources.
And which "some"? A random sample or just the ones you pick?
 
That's just a muted green. It's not a brown Zune.

I'm sure I'm one of the very few, but I liked the brown Zune. It wasn't like all other MP3 players and it would have gone well with some of my outfits. I wish the new shuffles came in more colors... that way I could match them with more of my clothes, but instead I would have to wear greys/whites/blacks.

Depending on the shade of the color, but black usually works well with brown or leather outfits.
 
And before you say Xbox... ugh.. The Xbox itself was a massive failure. It sold in some numbers, being a distant third in the market in the face of the overwhelming PS2 and the brand for kids (at the time), Nintendo. With the Xbox360, guess what Microsoft did ?

They didn't compete. They basically bought out exclusivity deals for cash from 3rd party game makers, assuring their platform would be well positionned. We all know consoles don't sell consoles, games sell consoles. Sony seemed to refuse to do these deals, simply trying to leverage their PS2 platform. They failed to realise that console generations are brand new games, and you need to bring it right away as if you were a new player in town everytime.

And it's very telling that even though Microsoft made all these backdoor deals to force their platform to the top, the Nintendo Wii trounced them on quality of titles and experience.

If it was that easy to penetrate the gaming market, then someone would have done so before MS. Do you remember Apple's attempt at a gaming console?

If MS tried to buy exclusivity, then Sony should have offered more for the developers not to leave. It's all part of the competition. That's what capitalism is all about.
 
If it was that easy to penetrate the gaming market, then someone would have done so before MS. Do you remember Apple's attempt at a gaming console?

If MS tried to buy exclusivity, then Sony should have offered more for the developers not to leave. It's all part of the competition. That's what capitalism is all about.

It's not easy—but with Microsoft's capital, it's not hard either. Money, money, money.

That's also the difference between earning someone's respect and bribery.

If MS tried to buy exclusivity, then Sony should have offered more for the developers not to leave. It's all part of the competition. That's what capitalism is all about.

Ah. Do you seriously think that Sony can outbid Microsoft?
 
And which "some"? A random sample or just the ones you pick?

D: Sarcasm.

That's just a muted green. It's not a brown Zune.

I'm sure I'm one of the very few, but I liked the brown Zune. It wasn't like all other MP3 players and it would have gone well with some of my outfits. I wish the new shuffles came in more colors... that way I could match them with more of my clothes, but instead I would have to wear greys/whites/blacks.

With you on the brown zune:p

I'm actually looking to buy one at some point, for the sheer hell of it.
 
Ah. Do you seriously think that Sony can outbid Microsoft?

Yes it could. Sony should have offered alternative incentives to keep the developer. After all, money while a major factor, is not the only one that affects the utility for a developer.

One could argue that Sony's move to Cell architecture was a disincentive for developers to stay with Sony. If they wrote for Xbox, it would be more simpler to port to other platforms hence savings.

It's not all about the money. Developers would have left MS if they had sub standard support.
 
Yes it could. Sony should have offered alternative incentives to keep the developer. After all, money while a major factor, is not the only one that affects the utility for a developer.

One could argue that Sony's move to Cell architecture was a disincentive for developers to stay with Sony. If they wrote for Xbox, it would be more simpler to port to other platforms hence savings.

It's not all about the money. Developers would have left MS if they had sub standard support.

Well for the Cell architecture, without any advances in technology such as that the gaming industry will move on, probably in another kind of product. And both Sony and Microsoft looses. Microsoft is merely using the inertia left by the developers' willingness to move on. They eventually will, and when they do, they will move back.

And I am still not convinced that Sony is going to fall anytime soon. The Xbox may have a foothold, but the PlayStation is nowhere near the "extinguished" status.
 
Well for the Cell architecture, without any advances in technology such as that the gaming industry will move on, probably in another kind of product. And both Sony and Microsoft looses. Microsoft is merely using the inertia left by the developers' willingness to move on. They eventually will, and when they do, they will move back.

And I am still not convinced that Sony is going to fall anytime soon. The Xbox may have a foothold, but the PlayStation is nowhere near the "extinguished" status.

I think it says something about the user experience and gameplay, when even after multiple hardware failures, people still go back to the Xbox and not PS3.
 
Microsoft marketing: Hey guys, let's take a buzzword from 2 years ago (HD) and slap it onto our already crappy product name (Zune) and we will have a definite hit for sure! Then we will make it look like an iPod touch, use a paint drip ad that mimics the nano ads and make millions! Genius!

I can see the next Apple ad:

I am an iPod.
And I am a Zune HD.
So you can display movies in HD quality?
No, my maker thought most people are too cool to buy from Microsoft instead of buying an iPod, so maybe we can at least to those who are stupid enough to think that "HD" means "HD".
 
You only need to have a slight sense of logic, to understand that 100% of teenagers cannot possibly all want to buy iPods within the next year. Like I said, the fact that I don't plan to buy another is proof enough.

Margin of error?


And it's 100% of teenagers who's planning to buy a PMP in that survey is planning to buy an iPod.—it is a sample, after all.



Though come to think of it, your original statement was:
"I know for a fact that '100% of teenagers' do not want iPods."

Which was absolutely untrue. What I think you're trying to say, however, should be expressed as:
"I know for a fact that [not] '100% of [all] teenagers' want iPods."
 
I think it says something about the user experience and gameplay, when even after multiple hardware failures, people still go back to the Xbox and not PS3.

I beg your pardon. You've lost me. I never said anything about user experience or gameplay.
 
Why is it anything remotely MS related always devolves into how MS sucks compared to anything?

Not to be a b***h and rain on your anti-MS parade, but I'm presonally psyched to see where this goes. I'm looking for a reason to ditch my iPod Touch (too little space). And hell, since all music is DRM free, I can still buy from apple and play on a Zune!
 
Why is it anything remotely MS related always devolves into how MS sucks compared to anything?

Not to be a b***h and rain on your anti-MS parade, but I'm presonally psyched to see where this goes. I'm looking for a reason to ditch my iPod Touch (too little space). And hell, since all music is DRM free, I can still buy from apple and play on a Zune!

—IF it's true. It's still unconfirmed.

Just remember that it is known that even music purchased from Microsoft's Windows Media Player store cannot be played on Zunes.
 
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