Well at least the design for this HD Zune is looking to be more promising than the brown log they first released. I still have no interest in it though, but, more competition for Apple the better.
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Does it have a phone?
Not interested then...carrying around a phone, media player, and laptop are so 2007
Not interested then...carrying around a phone, media player, and laptop are so 2007
What's sad is this post epitomizes probably around 80% of replies in this thread - whether that be through the users' name or actual post.
Why is it sad to point out that the hypothetical Zune HD looks to be copying the Touch two years later? One of the Zune lines obvious problems was constantly being behind the hardware curve, despite trying to sell itself initially on some minor hardware related differences vs. the iPod 5G (bigger screen, limited WiFi sharing, FM tuner).
All of their competing models have been quite late to the game. It's a reasonable criticism. Compare that with the Xbox 360, where MS launched a year early to try and get the jump on competitors.
I'd wish people will stop comparing the rumored Zune HD as a direct competitor to the iPod touch.
My guess is the Zune HD is essentially something akin the Archos 605 WiFi portable media player, probably with a 120 GB hard drive built in. But unlike the 605 WiFi, it will work directly with the Zune software and download store.
My guess is the Zune HD is essentially something akin the Archos 605 WiFi portable media player, probably with a 120 GB hard drive built in. But unlike the 605 WiFi, it will work directly with the Zune software and download store.
If the Zune HD did turn out to have Archos-like features, my own educated guess would be that MS would still try and position the Zune HD as a Touch competitor. In other words, they'd try to claim that it had all the same functions of the Touch (apps, games, music, internet etc.), but with the added Archos-style capabilities.
This thread is incredibly embarrassing, and a poor reflection on the Apple community as a whole.
I'm just glad a few people see sense, and rightly call out the ignorant, elitist pricks that seem to permeate threads like this. Honestly - how some people don't read back their comments and think 'Why did I say that? On what facts have I based my comment?' I don't know.
For anyone new to OS X - we're not all like this. This board, and threads like this in particular, attract a vocal minority, generally uneducated in the product, who will denounce Microsoft for no real reason whatsoever. Like I said, there's a lot of good, helpful members also
I'm just glad a few people see sense, and rightly call out the ignorant, elitist pricks that seem to permeate threads like this. Honestly - how some people don't read back their comments and think 'Why did I say that? On what facts have I based my comment?' I don't know.
For anyone new to OS X - we're not all like this. This board, and threads like this in particular, attract a vocal minority, generally uneducated in the product, who will denounce Microsoft for no real reason whatsoever. Like I said, there's a lot of good, helpful members also
Please. If you're referring to the concept of a total free market that was visualized by Adam Smith, spare us your lecture. All of us who took economics in our respective high schools know that it doesn't work. Please read up Keynesian economics. (I knew that since Grade 5... lol?)
This thread is incredibly embarrassing, and a poor reflection on the Apple community as a whole.
I'm just glad a few people see sense, and rightly call out the ignorant, elitist pricks that seem to permeate threads like this. Honestly - how some people don't read back their comments and think 'Why did I say that? On what facts have I based my comment?' I don't know.
For anyone new to OS X - we're not all like this. This board, and threads like this in particular, attract a vocal minority, generally uneducated in the product, who will denounce Microsoft for no real reason whatsoever. Like I said, there's a lot of good, helpful members also
What if there is a reason to denounce Microsoft? They deserve to be denounced.
(And if you need facts and figures, please. Just read my other posts on this thread and the two other threads about Microsoft's Laptop ads.)
And please do remember that up to 50% of Mac users today are people who's fed up of Microsoft—probably with good reason.
Wikinerd said:
No, I think I'll give your facts and figures a miss after those you just quoted... With respect, you're on an Apple forum, and haven't posted a single post in a non-Microsoft related thread for several months - clearly, you have a strong dislike for the company. That's your prerogative. It just looks a bit daft to somebody observing the thread rationally when so many people denounce a product they have no concrete information on, largely because of the company producing it.
Oh, and next time you've a lot to say, use multi-quote. It saves four separate posts.
A round of Apple Sauce
This ad and a lot of these posts remind me of a race. Everyone still applauds as the 5th place person crosses the finish line, but everyone knows who came in first.
This is not to say that someone can't take a product and implement it in a new innovative way. Apple does this all the time. But I don't recall a single moment where the reverse has happened—when an Apple product was completely innovated by someone else. (Before you reply, look up and ponder the word innovative).
The same thing always happens. People are blown away by something Apple carefully engineers over years, and then they have to make their own pseudo "version." Partial regurgitation with reconstructive plastic surgery.
A round of applause as the race blazes on! But Apple's looking at the scenery a mile or two down the road.
This ad and a lot of these posts remind me of a race. Everyone still applauds as the 5th place person crosses the finish line, but everyone knows who came in first.
This is not to say that someone can't take a product and implement it in a new innovative way. Apple does this all the time. But I don't recall a single moment where the reverse has happened—when an Apple product was completely innovated by someone else. (Before you reply, look up and ponder the word innovative).
The same thing always happens. People are blown away by something Apple carefully engineers over years, and then they have to make their own pseudo "version." Partial regurgitation with reconstructive plastic surgery.
A round of applause as the race blazes on! But Apple's looking at the scenery a mile or two down the road.
Of course, with Microsoft's history, it's not so daft. Microsoft has been holding back the computing industry in terms of innovation for 30 years now, it has been convicted of monopoly abuse twice in the last 10 years, with one of their cases still ongoing, it has been under investigation for anti-trust violations for close to 20 years.
And you think there's no merit in denouncing them ? Not everyone here choose their computing platform based on name recognition. Some do it out of ideology. You can't dismiss the criticism of these people towards Microsoft, simply because you find it "embarassing".
What about all the Apple criticism that's been popping up ? Is that alright though ?
Ah. First off let me remark that the "fact" that you're referring to is not quoted nor stated— it is an estimation. The figure of "50% of users are ones who are fed up" is not entirely made up either. Seeing as Apple has doubled their market share in the past 5 years, these must be switchers (unless mac users suddenly got rich and bought more computers and used them at the same time.). And apart from the features that make Apple's products appealing, these users must have some intent to switch in the first place before they look for alternatives, hence the assumption that they are "fed up".
I apologize for not clearing this up earlier, but my stance remains that it is safe to assume that up to 50% of the people, mac users, here, are people who made the switch because they are fed up with Microsoft.
(If you're reading this, and you're not a mac user (maybe former mac user), and you're not thinking of switching, then I think it's safe to assume that you (not you, allm1ne, specifically, but you as in anyone reading this) are a wintroll, going through threads for easy pickings, or that you're a harmless guy who somehow ended up reading this. I hope you're the latter, but then the former is more common.)
—and remember, I did say "up to". (Not a concrete fact, just assumption and educated guess.)
And please point out other "not-so-concrete-information" if you come across any among my posts. I'd be welcome to explain.
And I didn't use multiquote because I was reading up-and-down the thread, and that I didn't think that using multiquote with posts that were unrelated would be useful in comprehension.
PS. hope my explanation helps.
I didn't say your 50% remark was a fact, mate, it was just a figure you quoted. Though I'm not sure how educated it can be!
The other 'not so concrete information' refers to posts scattered throughout the 370 odd posts on this thread, posted by many different users, not yourself.
Knightedwrx - denouncing Apple or Microsoft is fine, if it's merited. When we've no real facts on the product, it's just a bit silly, really. I don't agree with bashing a product purely because it's from Microsoft, which quite a few posts seem to do. I'm inferring you believe I chose my computing platform for the name? Not at all; I was vehemently against having to use a Mac at my first work placement in school - after a week, I was so taken by the experience, I've used macs ever since. If Microsoft produced as great an all-round experience, I'd be all over that too.
This thread is incredibly embarrassing, and a poor reflection on the Apple community as a whole.
I'm just glad a few people see sense, and rightly call out the ignorant, elitist pricks that seem to permeate threads like this. Honestly - how some people don't read back their comments and think 'Why did I say that? On what facts have I based my comment?' I don't know.
For anyone new to OS X - we're not all like this. This board, and threads like this in particular, attract a vocal minority, generally uneducated in the product, who will denounce Microsoft for no real reason whatsoever. Like I said, there's a lot of good, helpful members also
So it's only Mac users who are "elitist pricks"? To me it looks like the Apple haters are the ones being far more rude and obnoxious, kind of like your own post.
We're on an Apple related board. I have no reason to target PC users, since I don't frequent boards they use. And even then, I'm talking about specific posts which have no place in a civilised, intelligent discussion.
Posts like:
Not a lot else to say really.
In my opinion, if the Zune HD has at least more capacity dollar per dollar than the iPod Touch, I'm jumping ship.
And for all those that distaste Zune's, I'm guessing 95% plus/minus 30% are either in one or two boats:
1.) Just heard second-hand stories and all jumped on the band wagon
or
2.) Owned one with the conviction that it was going to suck, and ,as a result, it did (in their opinion)
So, I'm I'll again be the PC guy on the Apple forums saying:
"Microsoft has a bunch of redeeming qualities"
(added the smiles cause that's what you guys do to me whenever I post anything remotely non-apple positive)
And for all those that distaste Zune's, I'm guessing 95% plus/minus 30% are either in one or two boats:
1.) Just heard second-hand stories and all jumped on the band wagon
or
2.) Owned one with the conviction that it was going to suck, and ,as a result, it did (in their opinion)
So, I'm I'll again be the PC guy on the Apple forums saying:
"Microsoft has a bunch of redeeming qualities
"(added the smiles cause that's what you guys do to me whenever I post anything remotely non-apple positive)
Well, we do have experience with the product in a way, the previous Zune models offered, their capabilities vs what was announced and qualities/defects. You can base forecasts on a product based on previous iterations of said products. A few comments do this in a colorful way with some shocking analogies (but hey, that disease you speak of has been around for more than 22 1/4 years, so it's fair game according to Southpark!) but you can't ignore then brand Microsoft built with it, good or bad (mostly bad in the case of the Zune unfortunately).
It's also hard to ignore Microsoft's general history, as it has been one of the most tainted in computing history. Those who ignore it are doomed to repeat it as they say.
We'd love a 256 GB solid-state drive in the classic, but the thing would be priced at or around $1,000.
I was given a Zune as a gift. (My bro got me the Halo one.) It's OK the best thing it has going for it is I get free firmware updates. So as long as the machine is running I get to update to the newest version for free. With that said, once I buy my new Macbook Pro I'll be picking up a touch as fast as I can. The damn Zune has had so many problems that I have had to call tech support to get it to work. It came with a faulty charge cord and froze a ton. I ahve read this is not common but why risk another dud when I can get a touch with a hella nice app store.
This is probably not possible in such a small form factor, but is it possible it could have HD Radio? I just don't think it will actually be a device with HD video, unless the new Zune is a 42" HDTV.
Monopolies are by definition anti-capitalism. They are anti-competition and they are notorious price-fixers. Oligopolies are the same to a lesser extent.
And besides, we've all seen what unregulated Capitalism does.
Capitalism is a dog eat dog world where the best products survive. Propping up poor products by artificial means just because the producer would go bust is wrong because the producer that creates a poor product deserves to go bust.
regulated capitalism = socialism.