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I really don't understand the attraction of PMP. I have an iPhone, but if it wasn't a phone I wouldn't carry it around. There are plenty of opportunities to watch TV or play games at home, it's just obsessive to carry it with you everywhere.

Honestly, I'm an artist, and I like sitting on my back deck, sitting at my drawing board or laying in bed and drawing with my headphones on. A PMP is a lot more convenient in the car, than juggling CDs.
 
I never used a Zune, never plan on it, but the few people I know who did buy them seem to really love them.
 
I really like the artwork. Wonder if it was done on a mac?

I LOL when I read this and thought how true, but then...

I remember some biggies such as Bert Monroy saying he was making a "temporary" switch to the Windows world due to PS CS4 being 64 bit only on Win PC.
 
Damn A brushed metal silver Zune with a big screen is pretty sexy. That might be my next MP3 player. Unless Apple does something fancy with the next hard disk based iPod.

What? Did I hear someone say "hard disk based iPod"?

Those were soooo long ago..

(I do know about the classic but it's like the exception— SSD for teh win!)
 
Microsoft marketing: Hey guys, let's take a buzzword from 2 years ago (HD) and slap it onto our already crappy product name (Zune) and we will have a definite hit for sure! Then we will make it look like an iPod touch, use a paint drip ad that mimics the nano ads and make millions! Genius!

I love how it took them nearly two years to catch up. I doubt they're even close to competing though. I do welcome their competition. It only makes Apple work harder at improving.

I can see their tagline:

Zune: only 2 years behind


(Well they're doing better... it used to be ~5 or ~10years/)
 
Man, you kiddies are Apple brainwashed easy. How is it not a nice looking product? Sure the brown one was ugly, but you really can't say a screen with a little silver chin is ugly. Unless of course you're saying the iMac is ugly.

Ah, but this zune still has that brownish/orange tang to the black bezel, which also happens to be too big.... Not as good in my opinion, but definitely an improvement.

also, imho, the iMac isn't as sexy as the other products; unless Apple eliminate that space below the screen, and finish the back with aluminium.
 
Yeah, I don't get this whole "flame thing"... I was just adding comic relief to the whole 3,000 post threads about yet another MS Ad about someone not in the market for an Apple product gets an MS one for free... :eek:

Welcome to MacRumors Forums, the most negative place on earth. I don't care what the article is about, people will stamp NEGATIVE on it.

Steve Jobs cures cancer. NEGATIVE!

Apple to make $49 Netbook. NEGATIVE!

Apple makes all songs free in iTunes Store. NEGATIVE!

Then there's the usual check list of whines:

Threaten to buy a Dell. CHECK!

Threaten to buy a ZUNE. CHECK!

Criticize the critics and get accused of drinking KoolAid. CHECK!
 
1. Software for OS X
2. Don't make it screw up my song/ID3 tags.


You'll have my sale then.

This is my exact issue with Microsoft. They purposely want to burn the Mac customers by not creating the Zune software for Macs. In this area they have a VERY small market share if any at all. They can't afford to keep it Windows only when Apple has nearly 90% market share with the iPod and iTunes. Apple can actually afford to burn the Windows customers in this area wheras MS needs the Mac customer's business.
 
Welcome to MacRumors Forums, the most negative place on earth. I don't care what the article is about, people will stamp NEGATIVE on it.

Steve Jobs cures cancer. NEGATIVE!

Apple to make $49 Netbook. NEGATIVE!

Apple makes all songs free in iTunes Store. NEGATIVE!

Then there's the usual check list of whines:

Threaten to buy a Dell. CHECK!

Threaten to buy a ZUNE. CHECK!

Criticize the critics and get accused of drinking KoolAid. CHECK!

I don't understand. How can a fact be negative or positive?
 
It probably has something to do with there being money at ALL levels of a market, not just at the top. I don't understand the attitude that is paraded around here in respect of other companies' media players that if they cannot be the market leader then there is no point to them being there.

Following this logic, Apple should cease production of computers.

Ah, but there is a difference-- Apple is one of the leading mid/high-range notebook brand names... And you forgot the difference between an oligopoly and a monopoly; as well as the difference between having the most market share and being a market leader.

Zune, however, is heavily subsidized by Microsoft, and is there just so that 'Microsoft' gets a foothold on the market.

(Subsidized? Yes! How can they design/test/produce a player that sold *hundreds of dozens* of copies without a loss?)
 
Welcome to MacRumors Forums, the most negative place on earth. I don't care what the article is about, people will stamp NEGATIVE on it.

Steve Jobs cures cancer. NEGATIVE!

Apple to make $49 Netbook. NEGATIVE!

Apple makes all songs free in iTunes Store. NEGATIVE!

Then there's the usual check list of whines:

Threaten to buy a Dell. CHECK!

Threaten to buy a ZUNE. CHECK!

Criticize the critics and get accused of drinking KoolAid. CHECK!

LOL, so true. Even Apple's contest today which is giving away a 17" MBP, Time Capsule, iPod Touch 32GB and a $10k iTunes gift card still got stamped with negatives. :( I thought I was the only one that got bugged by this.
 
Wow guys, you really are brainwashed. I am a HUGE Apple fan, but the hard drive Zunes are CLEARLY better products than the hard drive iPods. The iPod nano is better than the flash Zunes, though. But the Zune interface is EXTREMELY well done. EXTREMELY. They did an awesome job with it, and the Zune pad is a clever, easy way to browse the interface. Plus, they DO look great, whether you want to deny it or not, the OLD Zune was ugly, but the new Zunes aren't. At all.

This really could be better than the iPod touch, admit it, Apple's been getting kind of boring with the iPods, the 4th generation iPod nano didn't do really anything but change the shape and colour, the rest of the additions were just there simply to make the update seem less pointless.

The iPod touch update? I mean come on, they changed the design of the *back* a TINY bit, and added a speaker, volume controls and internal Nike+iPod support. Not exactly groundbreaking.

iPod Classic? Um... they removed a size, and put 120 GB rather than 160GB in the 80GB case. Oh. Em. Jee.


This new Zune could blow the iPod touch out of the water, you never know...

And seriously, I'm not a hater, I own a Unibody MacBook, an iMac, a 4th and 2nd gen iPod nano, and an iPhone 3G and I'm buying an Airport Express soon.

But seriously, these Zunes are effing fantastic products...

erm....

1. these are unconfirmed rumors—they may be pictures, but the presence of photoshop really makes it easy to dispute the accuracy of it.

2. this, from it's size, would probably be running on SSD, not HDD, so it's basically a direct competitor to iPod Touch.

3. They may *look* effing fantastic, but actual use may be different- lack of good apps, incompatibilities?(based upon evidence from the old Zunes), and poor interface...

4. imho, the bezel seems a bit too big for a player that size. precious screen real estate, mate.
 
http://images.apple.com/macbook/images/overview-hero20081014.jpg
Big ugly black border: Check.

Also, i'd like to know how you know that the silver chin on the Zune HD is useless. Have you used one yet? Have you even seen one in real life?

Ah, but he did say big UGLY black border, so that makes it subjective. and imho, the black is more like black-brown, which is not really appetizing in terms of looks......
 
It's already dead! Just bury the bloody thing!
When will they every learn...

The Apple iToast ($299):

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The Microsoft Speedy Slice® Turbo+® 3.1 ($199):

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F***n brilliant.
 
Welcome to MacRumors Forums, the most negative place on earth. I don't care what the article is about, people will stamp NEGATIVE on it.

Steve Jobs cures cancer. NEGATIVE!

Apple to make $49 Netbook. NEGATIVE!

Apple makes all songs free in iTunes Store. NEGATIVE!

Then there's the usual check list of whines:

Threaten to buy a Dell. CHECK!

Threaten to buy a ZUNE. CHECK!

Criticize the critics and get accused of drinking KoolAid. CHECK!

Tell me about it. I guess people just like to start arguments.
 
I'm glad there are a few people in this thread that can look at the Zune objectively (albeit only 2-3 users).

All the people saying "Why bother, Microsoft?" are drinking their own brand of Kool-Aid. If that rational were applied when Apple had little market share everyone here would own Windows boxes. Zune will make a fairly well-sized dent in the market sooner than later.

Most people bashing it have probably never used one, which is a shame, because it is comparable (if not an equal) to the iPod.

Really? From what I see from shots of it being used shows it to have a bad user interface, clumsy usage (c'mon, clickwheel vs 4 buttons?), and uses that really "sexy" brown. That's all I need to know to convince me that the Zune won't be a worthy competitor for the next few years.


You mean that mog from spaceballs?

I wont be needing the 50gb at one time, but i absolutely hate not having all of my music with me. I cont stand only being able to carry part of it. A bit of ocd i suppose.
I would rip blu-rays because i dont buy dvds any more thanks to my ps3. If i am going to rip it i am only going to rip it once so i have a copy to keep on my computer as well and not several different bitrates/resolutions taking up even more space.

Im not just making **** up to be a pain, i promise.

Also, lets remember that we have no idea what size this new zune is, or if it actually even is HD.

Real HD on a handheld device? (assuming this is a continuation of the Zune product line...)

Ignorant consumers like yourself annoy me to no end. To make such blatant flaming with little insight on the product itself and shamelessly making a horrible attempt on piggy backing on microsoft ads to try and appear funny with little relevance is even more pathetic.

Jesus. Why are you so uptight? It's called a joke. Ha Ha Ha.

Normal people, like myself, like jokes.
 
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