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Samsung Reveals Galaxy S5 With Home Button Fingerprint Sensor, Accompanying 'Gear Fit' Band

matjamca said:
Apple did not copy Motorola. Yes, they added a fingerprint scanner, but Touch ID works differently to a regular scanner.
By your reasoning, Apple copied by implementing a screen in the iPhone.
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avanpelt said:
The question is not whether the S5 and 5s fingerprint scanners perform the same task. The question is how well the S5 scanner performs. Time will tell.
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It does not matter, who made a smart phone FIRST with a finger print scanner on the market? Motorola. Apple has copied that same idea, they did NOT do it first, get over it already.
It's like everyone on here stating Samsung copied Apple with a gold phone, yet again Apple were in no way the first to do that either.

What did someone say in another thread? Oh yeah, it's amazing how Apple fans widen the goalposts for their arguments.
 
apolloa said:
How do you make that assumption? Apple can be let off because they stick it in the home button and it's a press scanner as opposed to a swipe one? Yet they BOTH do the same task.
No, Apple copied the idea from Motorola straight up who did it first and by several months I might add.
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I don't make ANY assumptions. I'm speaking factually.

Apple's TouchID is fundamentally a different technology than the Atrix scanner. One is capacitive, the other is optical.

That's like telling me that inventor of the smartphone copied the traditional landline because they are used to do the same task. The truth is one is far better than the other.

TouchID isn't a "push scanner" either......you lay your finger on it, the ring around the button detects the presence of a finger, the sensor reads the print.

Now they both may have the same overall function (to unlock your device using your finger) - but the REASONS for implementing this tech and the actual IMPLEMENTATION of the tech are just as important if not more so.

So I slap a crappy fingerprint sensor in a phone. Am I copying anyone if the damn thing doesn't ever work? The reason Apple implemented TouchID was to securely bypass entering passwords dozens of times a day. This isn't an assumption - beside the fact they said this themselves, you can see this in the implementation. It is designed to be fast, reliable and secure.

Samsung slaps a fingerprint sensor that doesn't work as well. Were they doing it to also bypass passwords? Well if that were the case, you'd think they'd implement it in a way that would be faster than entering your password - not slower or less reliable.

As for the Atrix - what was their goal? To use the fingerprint as a means of securely locking a device. Speed and convenience don't seem to be big concerns as the sensor used is the less reliable optical scanner which works sporadically and involves a swipe. The placement is also less convenient.

You can try to simplify things all you want - truth is, if you actually think and look at what has gone into each iteration, you'll see Apple did things differently. Hence why its become a big hot button for other OEMs and why its so successful for Apple.
 
allistera said:
Do you people honestly believe Samsung would have released a SGS5 with a fingerprint sensor if the iPhone 5s never had one? No chance! Samsung seen that the fingerprint can be done right, they then went for it.
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Hmmm. But what about Samsung putting in a heart monitoring sensor. They didn't follow anyone doing that on a smart phone. And on the software side they figured out that customers wanted to extend battery life and came up with their B&W mode.

Seems as though they can have some original ideas - no?
 
JimmyTW87 said:
still amazes me how they can carry on churning flagship phones that look cheap and plastic, it's really a huge factor in why i couldn't even contemplate a change from apple hardware.
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I have an iPad mini retina and had an iPhone 5 but now a note 3. It is so much nicer to be able to not worry about your phone scratching from grains of sand and the like because it is made of plastic. Not to mention it feels thousands of times better in the hand. Oh, and I can see way more but that's stupid because Apple doesn't have any big screen phones yet. Right now, big screen phones are stupid but once Apple makes them, then they'll be good right?
 
jrswizzle said:
Ahh - as I have not watched the keynote, nor do I remember the intricacies of Apple's implementation, I was merely speaking off the cuff.
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All you need to know about Apple's implementation is that it's built into the hardware. The "secure enclave" holding the fingerprint information is unavailable to the operating system-- even if you jailbreak it and get root access. It's simply not addressable or accessible by any means via the CPU.

With the samsung, if you can get root, you can get the encrypted fingerprint file (and maybe replace it with your own), because it's implemented in the OS.
 
apolloa said:
It does not matter, who made a smart phone FIRST with a finger print scanner on the market? Motorola. Apple has copied that same idea, they did NOT do it first, get over it already.
It's like everyone on here stating Samsung copied Apple with a gold phone, yet again Apple were in no way the first to do that either.

What did someone say in another thread? Oh yeah, it's amazing how Apple fans widen the goalposts for their arguments.
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I think the word "copied" is thrown around far too much here.

What Samsung is actually doing is simply trying to profit on Apple's success with certain things. Apple makes the fingerprint sensor a success, Samsung tries it. Apple makes the gold phone popular, Samsung wants to cash in on that popularity.

Nothing wrong with it, as long as you can deliver. And I'd say both with the fingerprint sensor and the looks of the GS5, they've failed.
 
bushido said:
i am not saying Apple came up with the idea but they took an idea and Samsung as usually waits around for someone else to do it first. why didnt they come up with an golden phone with a finger print sensor before? they wait and see what works on the market and implement it themselves just like Sonys water resistent feature
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Someone else to do it first? How about the s-pen, the fake leather back, the airview things?

Apple is going to be coming out with bigger screen phones but they won't be copying by doing that? Am I following you correctly?
 
jrswizzle said:
I don't make ANY assumptions. I'm speaking factually.

Apple's TouchID is fundamentally a different technology than the Atrix scanner. One is capacitive, the other is optical.

That's like telling me that inventor of the smartphone copied the traditional landline because they are used to do the same task. The truth is one is far better than the other.

TouchID isn't a "push scanner" either......you lay your finger on it, the ring around the button detects the presence of a finger, the sensor reads the print.

Now they both may have the same overall function (to unlock your device using your finger) - but the REASONS for implementing this tech and the actual IMPLEMENTATION of the tech are just as important if not more so.

So I slap a crappy fingerprint sensor in a phone. Am I copying anyone if the damn thing doesn't ever work? The reason Apple implemented TouchID was to securely bypass entering passwords dozens of times a day. This isn't an assumption - beside the fact they said this themselves, you can see this in the implementation. It is designed to be fast, reliable and secure.

Samsung slaps a fingerprint sensor that doesn't work as well. Were they doing it to also bypass passwords? Well if that were the case, you'd think they'd implement it in a way that would be faster than entering your password - not slower or less reliable.

As for the Atrix - what was their goal? To use the fingerprint as a means of securely locking a device. Speed and convenience don't seem to be big concerns as the sensor used is the less reliable optical scanner which works sporadically and involves a swipe. The placement is also less convenient.

You can try to simplify things all you want - truth is, if you actually think and look at what has gone into each iteration, you'll see Apple did things differently. Hence why its become a big hot button for other OEMs and why its so successful for Apple.
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I'm not simplifying anything, it is a cold hard FACT Motorola did it FIRST, Apple has just copied the idea, no matter what tech it uses, it is STILL a finger print scanner.
And Motorola did it first. Stop widening those goalposts.
 
phillypharm said:
I feel the same way about this phone release as I did when the 5s was released. No biggie. The upgrades are weak at best.

PS. To those of you that say samsung is copying the iphone fingerprint scanner, there were phones before the iphone to do that, one of which was the moto atrix.
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So if Samsung was copying the Atrix how come Galaxy devices didn't have one before the iPhone 5S?
 
bushido said:
i am not saying Apple came up with the idea but they took an idea and Samsung as usually waits around for someone else to do it first. why didnt they come up with an golden phone with a finger print sensor before? they wait and see what works on the market and implement it themselves just like Sonys water resistent feature
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Except they didn't even implement the same tech. Sure they went with the home button placement, but I don't believe the tech is the same (part of what makes Apple's iteration so great).

We've seen what Samsung's "firsts" look like.....the Note series has been their big success - the Galaxy Gear on the other hand seems like un-inspired nonsense.
 
samcraig said:
Hmmm. But what about Samsung putting in a heart monitoring sensor. They didn't follow anyone doing that on a smart phone. And on the software side they figured out that customers wanted to extend battery life and came up with their B&W mode.

Seems as though they can have some original ideas - no?
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Except my iPhone 5s monitors my heart rate using a handy little app. In fact, my iPhone 5 did this too with said app.
 
jrswizzle said:
What Samsung is actually doing is simply trying to profit on Apple's success with certain things.
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I'm not sure that's the entire or even majority motivation. I would, however, extend that to the industry success inclusive of Apple.

Gold phones are nothing new. And I don't think anyone is going to buy an iPhone or a S5 based solely on a fingerprint scanner. Maybe I'm nuts to say that - or the fact that for me - it's not even in the top 10 of things I care about in a phone.
 
Doesn't the back remind you of the Nexus' 7 1st Gen back?

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Also, this Gear fit, is chunky and extremely unusable. How are you going to read that screen the way it displays information?

What a joke. Samsung is only trying to become the first at introducing something but really put very little thought behind why its there.
 
apolloa said:
I'm not simplifying anything, it is a cold hard FACT Motorola did it FIRST, Apple has just copied the idea, no matter what tech it uses, it is STILL a finger print scanner.
And Motorola did it first. Stop widening those goalposts.
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Whatever pal. Motorola was the first to put some type of fingerprint scanner in a phone for the purpose of scanning fingerprints and gaining access to said device.

Apple was the first to actually make it useful.

There's a reason Samsung is doing this NOW versus right after the Atrix was released.
 
apolloa said:
What did someone say in another thread? Oh yeah, it's amazing how Apple fans widen the goalposts for their arguments.
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Just wait until Apple comes out with a 5-inch iPhone screen. It will be totally revo-**********-lutuionary, something that nobody else has done before. :p
 
matjamca said:
Except my iPhone 5s monitors my heart rate using a handy little app. In fact, my iPhone 5 did this too with said app.
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I would place money that the sensor in the phone is more accurate. But regardless - who cares? APPLE didn't create the app and make put it on all the devices. And is the app free as well?

Point is - I think it's pretty silly to marginalize everything Samsung does. If it's not for you - that's cool. But that doesn't make it stupid.
 
jrswizzle said:
Whatever pal. Motorola was the first to put some type of fingerprint scanner in a phone for the purpose of scanning fingerprints and gaining access to said device.

Apple was the first to actually make it useful.

There's a reason Samsung is doing this NOW versus right after the Atrix was released.
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But it's pointless to argue timing - no?

If Samsung waited one month or 3 years - the argument would be the same. Except if they waited 3 years most likely people (Android and iOS users alike) would agree it was too little too late..
 
samcraig said:
I'm not sure that's the entire or even majority motivation. I would, however, extend that to the industry success inclusive of Apple.

Gold phones are nothing new. And I don't think anyone is going to buy an iPhone or a S5 based solely on a fingerprint scanner. Maybe I'm nuts to say that - or the fact that for me - it's not even in the top 10 of things I care about in a phone.
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No, gold phones aren't new, but Apple's marketing power made them relevant in the public eye. As a result, other OEMs are adding the option. A case of attempting to play to what's popular with consumers - which happened to be brought on by an Apple offering.

I would've agreed with you if Apple's version of fingerprint scanner looked like the Atrix's, HTC's or even worked like Samsung's. But now that I have a 5S with TouchID, I dislike using my 5C and iPads without it.....

Its one of those things that in the next year or so, will be ubiquitous across my Apple devices. It won't be in a top 10 of things I care about in a smartphone - it'll simply be an expectation.

"Of course, my phone/tablet/laptop has TouchID."
 
jrswizzle said:
Whatever pal. Motorola was the first to put some type of fingerprint scanner in a phone for the purpose of scanning fingerprints and gaining access to said device.

Apple was the first to actually make it useful.

There's a reason Samsung is doing this NOW versus right after the Atrix was released.
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And I am not talking about Samsung, Samsung has copied the finger print scanner idea from Motorola too, but then copied the placement of it from Apple.

jrbdmb said:
Just wait until Apple comes out with a 5-inch iPhone screen. It will be totally revo-**********-lutuionary, something that nobody else has done before. :p
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Oh I do not doubt the people on here will proclaim that!!
 
samcraig said:
But it's pointless to argue timing - no?

If Samsung waited one month or 3 years - the argument would be the same. Except if they waited 3 years most likely people (Android and iOS users alike) would agree it was too little too late..
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Sure - I think the whole argument that guy is making is pointless. But I prefer to focus on implementation as opposed to a phrase.

I look at how things work and why they work the way they do. When looking at features this way, you find vastly different tech and motivations play huge roles in shaping the experience I have with said device.
 
Samsung has no clue how to make a flagship device look and feel premium. Apple, HTC, and Sony know how to. Even Nokia can pull it off with polycarbonate.
 
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