Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Adobe Launches Flash Player 10.1 Prerelease Build
- Thread starter 8767092
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Microsoft manged to provide hardware accelerated decoding with Silverlight 3 so why can't Adobe do the same?
Apple Disables Palm PRE syncing to iTunes. Apple Fanboys say:
OMG PALM, QUIT LEECHING OFF APPLE. BUILD YOUR OWN!!!
Adobe offers little support to OSX. Apple Fanboys say:
OMG ADOBE, CATER TO US!!!
Perhaps you need to encourage Apple to spend their development dollars on making your products better, instead of making other peoples products worse.
OMG PALM, QUIT LEECHING OFF APPLE. BUILD YOUR OWN!!!
Adobe offers little support to OSX. Apple Fanboys say:
OMG ADOBE, CATER TO US!!!
Perhaps you need to encourage Apple to spend their development dollars on making your products better, instead of making other peoples products worse.
Yeah because I really trust all that. Last time I repaired permissions on my 10.5.7 machine it kept repairing the same system files over and over again, as well as HP printer drivers, and some other ~/Library files.
Everyone knows adobe's developers can't code....Seems they can't use google either?.... No standard api's on linux? - VDPAU/VAAPI? VDPAU is absolutely superb on nvidia cards, and supported on free flash implementations already. VAAPI would be great, you can wrap vdpau into it and it would force (...) ATI to improve their driver situation .
No 64-bit support, no video acceleration on any card on linux, crashes browsers and poor performance. Business as usual for Adobe...
No 64-bit support, no video acceleration on any card on linux, crashes browsers and poor performance. Business as usual for Adobe...
No.
Maybe Adobe is just losing interest in working with OSX altogether? In relation to Flash, anyway.
Clicktoflash folks, is the way to go now.
Victor Meldrew has entered the room!
So here we have it... Finally, an increase in performance of the pathetically sluggish flash format, but reserved exclusively for the hardware that's already fast enough to run it in the 1st place!?!
Doesn't anyone else think that the increase in performance would be of interest to Power PC Mac users instead? My intel Mac plays this buggy awful format just fine, it's the older hardware that desperately needs the boost.
Particularly as content providers seem to think we're all obsessed with resolution.
I like my video playback to load quickly and play smooth, unfortunately I seem to be in the minority.
What is everyone so busy doing that demands these processor cycles when they're watching flash video anyway?
So here we have it... Finally, an increase in performance of the pathetically sluggish flash format, but reserved exclusively for the hardware that's already fast enough to run it in the 1st place!?!
Doesn't anyone else think that the increase in performance would be of interest to Power PC Mac users instead? My intel Mac plays this buggy awful format just fine, it's the older hardware that desperately needs the boost.
Particularly as content providers seem to think we're all obsessed with resolution.
I like my video playback to load quickly and play smooth, unfortunately I seem to be in the minority.
What is everyone so busy doing that demands these processor cycles when they're watching flash video anyway?
Flash is always ranked pretty low in terms of proper web usability, and will continue to rank low.
The only reason flash came to prominence is due to Microsoft anti-competitive bundling.
In the 90s Apple created quicktime. Microsoft didn't have a comparable piece of product at the time, thus MS pushed Flash so people won't adopt Apple's quicktime.
Now Microsoft is promoting its own thing instead of flash.
With the highly desirable iPhone / iPod touch embracing HTML5 and mp4, many large video sites have created versions of videos to work with the latest technology.
With many Mac users installing Click2Flash for Safari, who is left promoting flash?
I won't say Adobe is dead, but flash will lose its prominence.
Intel Mac users way out number PPC mac users.
Flash = high CPU usage = high power consumption = high heat = low battery life, etc.
The only reason flash came to prominence is due to Microsoft anti-competitive bundling.
In the 90s Apple created quicktime. Microsoft didn't have a comparable piece of product at the time, thus MS pushed Flash so people won't adopt Apple's quicktime.
Now Microsoft is promoting its own thing instead of flash.
With the highly desirable iPhone / iPod touch embracing HTML5 and mp4, many large video sites have created versions of videos to work with the latest technology.
With many Mac users installing Click2Flash for Safari, who is left promoting flash?
I won't say Adobe is dead, but flash will lose its prominence.
Intel Mac users way out number PPC mac users.
Flash = high CPU usage = high power consumption = high heat = low battery life, etc.
Thank you ChazUK ... name calling was not needed .. I've learned when people take it that far .. they are usually insecure with themselves and name calling is their defense mechanism. It's a very childlike trait that most people never grow out of.
A shame it is...
Yeah, because your line that "Apple and Apple Fan boys are the only ones BUTT-ACHING!!" is really mature.
Try a mirror.
I'm a Flash(er), an ActionScript developer. And yes, I hate Flash blinking "shoot the ball, boohoo you lose" ads and all anoying ads (not just Flash ads, Javascript too, mind you).
But how can you wish Flash to die? Want to go back to GIF animations? And strip down all YouTube video to .wmv format?
There are game sites using Flash as the engine (Facebook, Yahoo! Game, and tons of them). I don't really like server side games like Mafia Wars. So yeah, I develop Flash game on Facebook.
Let's face it, not all Flash are bad. You are judging only by annoying Flash ads and "toomuchflashwebsites"?? Just install ads blocker to whatever browser you use. And please, don't say you don't like to watch YouTube, metacafe, Vimeo, or other video sites. Those sites are ALL using Flash as the video player.
If there's no Flash, you couldn't have inovative Apple-IGN ads. You need to install additional video player to watch whatever video on the web. (fyi, HTML 5 still needs more to catch)
Or maybe you prefer MS Silverlight?
anyway,
Adobe needs to do better on Linux/MacOS side. How can they (Flash 10.1 beta) only support Multi-Touch on Win7 and iPhone? When there are no benefits on doing so? Very few "PC" using multi-touch, and no Flash ever on iPhone!
One of the things I love about my iphone is trying to find information while I'm out and about and getting nowhere because the site that has the info I need runs flash, and all I see is an empty block with a little blue lego in it. It really proves the iPhones usefulness.
Just a few weeks ago my wife and I wanted to go to a haunted house, but their website was all flash and I couldn't see the times they were open. We drove all the way out to the house only to find out they weren't open on Mondays. Thanks for the wasted time Apple!
Yeah, because Apple develops flash for OS X and the iPhone.
(HINT: they don't, Adobe does).This update is a move in the right direction. Flash is still far from perfect (or even good for that matter) but this is very good to see. Big performance gains (especially in OS X). And while I completely understand (and agree) with the "Flash needs to die" group, we have to face the facts as they are today. HTML 5 is awesome, but it is not a Flash replacement unfortunately.
HTML5 can't replace Flash. You just can't build the same kind of multimedia user experience with HTML5 then you can with Flash. I think from all of the video material on web 80% is flash. There is no way Flash is going down. Hopefully Apple and Adobe can work it out so we can get it running on Mac and iPhone the way it should.
Your words fall on deaf ears. Flash does not work well on OSX, therefore, Flash is a technology that must die.
Nevermind the fact that is Flash DID die, it would be quickly replaced with another advertising technology that might even be MORE annoying.
FLASH IS DEAD. MS IS DEAD. APPLESAUCE IS DEAD. TOYOTA YARIS IS DEAD.
It has something to do with Safari spinning the flash plugin off into it's own process (i think). Hulu fullscreen played just fine on my 24" iMac in Leopard not so in Snow Leopard.On my hackintosh (Intel E2140 @ 2GHz, Geforce 8500GT and Leopard 10.5.8) I get these results:
Hack before update: 25.37fps average
Hack after update: 32.12fps average
With the latest flash on my iMac with 10.6.2 I only get 14fps average.
This latest Flash beta is still far from optimized.
When is Flash going to go away? It is so antiquated, bloated, and buggy. Since there has been no flash on the iPhone for over 2 years, I thought that would have proved we could get by without it. I was hoping that no iPhone support would have been the last nail in the coffin for Flash. I guess not.
I agree but what a huge task at hand. Do you really see Flash being killed? Maybe, but it in my opinion it is a long way off if it ever happens.
You do realize that 90% of flash content is just playing videos right? How many sites are actually pure flash?
I don't get you people who think HTML 5 is going to kill Flash. It will take years before web developers can safely use HTML5. By then, Flash will most likely evolved into something different tackling things that HTML5 can't.
Whoever think that resource intensive ads will go away once flash dies is dreaming. Think why there are such ads in the first place? The users responds to colorful ads and that's why advertisers push for these ads! Flash is simply the easiest platform to deliver these content.
If Flash goes away, these ads will be delivered in HTML5+javascript and they will still be resource intensive. Current canvas implementations on ALL browsers are painfully slow.
Just be thankful that right now you can use clicktoflash to disable the ads, it will harder if ads are in javascript.
Whoever think that resource intensive ads will go away once flash dies is dreaming. Think why there are such ads in the first place? The users responds to colorful ads and that's why advertisers push for these ads! Flash is simply the easiest platform to deliver these content.
If Flash goes away, these ads will be delivered in HTML5+javascript and they will still be resource intensive. Current canvas implementations on ALL browsers are painfully slow.
Just be thankful that right now you can use clicktoflash to disable the ads, it will harder if ads are in javascript.
I prefer "Still Sucks."
For a more descriptive tagline, with a positive spin:
"Doesn't Suck Worse."
I don't know why many of you guys say you don't like Flash. I think it's the best web technology out there, compare it to anything else: HTML is not interactive and ugly, Java is slow and nearly no one uses it. Flash is easy to programme, you can make anything out of it: websites, adverts, videos, animations, games, or basically anything that could exist on a computer. Flash animations are clean, it supports anti-aliasing by default, and its extremely easy for anyone to programme relatively complex applications.
The only problem with Flash is that it's incompatible with the iPhone and it's ridiculously slow on OS X. That doesn't make Flash BAD, it just makes it frustrating for people like us who like to use Apple products.
I don't understand why Flash can't get fixed for such a long time. Why isn't anyone doing anything? To me it seems like Apple doesn't care because they consider Flash to be obsolete or something, so just like with FireWire 400, they say "no one needs it". Adobe, on the other hand, says that since Apple doesn't seem to care much, they won't care either, and they'll just keep on making the internet better for Windows users.
And us users are just sitting there, unable to use a technology that revolutionised the internet like 5 years ago. And this isn't just some little bug that will hopefully get fixed in the next update. This is something that foreseeably won't ever get fixed because no one cares. It's just the way it is guys, let's just stick to good old HTML websites.
The only problem with Flash is that it's incompatible with the iPhone and it's ridiculously slow on OS X. That doesn't make Flash BAD, it just makes it frustrating for people like us who like to use Apple products.
I don't understand why Flash can't get fixed for such a long time. Why isn't anyone doing anything? To me it seems like Apple doesn't care because they consider Flash to be obsolete or something, so just like with FireWire 400, they say "no one needs it". Adobe, on the other hand, says that since Apple doesn't seem to care much, they won't care either, and they'll just keep on making the internet better for Windows users.
And us users are just sitting there, unable to use a technology that revolutionised the internet like 5 years ago. And this isn't just some little bug that will hopefully get fixed in the next update. This is something that foreseeably won't ever get fixed because no one cares. It's just the way it is guys, let's just stick to good old HTML websites.
You're acting as though there are no such things as ad-blocking add-ons for Firefox or even better an adblock that blocks ad's across every browser on your computer: http://glimmerblocker.org/
I don't care much about ads since I don't see them anymore. I do care about the fact that any time I watch a YouTube my processor is burning up.
Compare your processor with this: http://www.youtube.com/html5
and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uofWfXOzX-g
You tell me which one you prefer.