because some people don't watch their movies on a laptop. a lot of people like to watch movies on their giant TV's and in the USA a lot of people have nice audio systems to go with the TV
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because some people don't watch their movies on a laptop. a lot of people like to watch movies on their giant TV's and in the USA a lot of people have nice audio systems to go with the TV
its more about not having to buy two versions of the same movie than it is about high quality
exactly, this thread is about including blue ray in MBP's which in my opinion, is a waste of time, battery and weight
its more about not having to buy two versions of the same movie than it is about high quality
okay, good point, you would need a drive to be able to rip your movies
but
I still think apple should go the way of the air and not have any optical drive
if people want one, they can get a usb add-on
I wouldnt mind that
I do feel they should support Blu-Ray even if they do not ship with Blu-Ray drives as many people evidently would like the option to play back the Blu-Ray collection they have been building
What I do know is that if Apple adopts Blu-Ray, all the naysayers will change their tune and say how smart it was for Apple to do so....mark my words
hey people, wake up, optical drives are dying but don't worry, in time movies will be delivered in pen drives.
Just calm down, once this happen, you will still have 1080p content(in a much more transportable package) and we'll have our mechanicalness laptop.....
maybe in a 2 year time?
Just calm down, once this happen, you will still have 1080p content(in a much more transportable package) and we'll have our mechanicalness laptop.....
maybe in a 2 year time?
"people need to stop saying blu ray isn't relevent"
Indeed.
Browsing the net, I found a page that offers side-by-side comparisions of BluRay vis-a-vis ordinary DVD, using some well-known films. The same images are shown, one in DVD, the next in BluRay.
Here's the link:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/617171-post5.html
Look for yourself. There are even hi-res versions of each comparison available.
View these, and _then_ come back and tell us that BluRay is irrelevant.
I'm still back in the stone age. I don't even own a standalone DVD player to hook up to the TV yet (in fact, didn't get a flat-panel television till last year!).
But after checking out the URL above, I don't see any point in buying a "plain old" DVD player, when images of the quality of BluRay are available.
When I _do_ get a video disc player for the TV, it WILL be BluRay. Who wants to look at images that are clearly inferior?
Indeed.
Browsing the net, I found a page that offers side-by-side comparisions of BluRay vis-a-vis ordinary DVD, using some well-known films. The same images are shown, one in DVD, the next in BluRay.
Here's the link:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/617171-post5.html
Look for yourself. There are even hi-res versions of each comparison available.
View these, and _then_ come back and tell us that BluRay is irrelevant.
I'm still back in the stone age. I don't even own a standalone DVD player to hook up to the TV yet (in fact, didn't get a flat-panel television till last year!).
But after checking out the URL above, I don't see any point in buying a "plain old" DVD player, when images of the quality of BluRay are available.
When I _do_ get a video disc player for the TV, it WILL be BluRay. Who wants to look at images that are clearly inferior?
why do people continue to think inside the box?
This. Exactly. Thank you.
I think you missed his point. I'm sure he was advocating the inclusion of blu-ray drives in Macs because lest we forget, they can drive external equipment.
The argument here for blu-ray is two fold. It's about the highest quality of digital video and audio available, REGARDLESS OF YOUR MACHINE'S SCREEN SIZE, and to a lesser extent, bypassing the inconvenience of having two versions of the same film on two different formats, which is irritating to me.
I'm aware the mini display port on current Macs are restricted from transmitting audio signals, but I feel that Apple has the power and resources to make it happen in possible future iterations of the interface, or they might even just wait for Lightpeak before allowing audio processing through one cable.
I agree... and add some more
"""I'm such a consumer. I have a number of blu rays that I want to watch on the go. I'll be buying a $2000+ high end laptop this year and I won't even be considering a MBP if they don't feature the blu ray drive in the next update. I'm just waiting to see what the next update has in store but I'll likely be picking up the Sony Vaio Z if Apple fails to deliver."""
1. I agree. There are many arguments to have BlueRay on a laptop.
1) For example, (obviously) a replacement of the dedicated Blue Ray Player. If you have a good outputs - this is what we have on our Dell XPS 16 (displayport, Dolby 7.1 via HDMI) there is no need in dedicated BR player.
2) But more important: to spread HD vids taken by your HD cam (they are getting affordable now - sub 1000$). Remember, HD cams produce gigabytes. If one wants to send a HD movie to somebody, there is no way to do it without BR.
2. Then, there are consequences for the IO on a laptop due to HD-cams onset. The chippest way to store gigabytes from your HD cam are the hardrives (which are chipper per giga than BR discs). Therefore, one needs an eSATA port. And I am wondering why nobody requires eSATA on MBP 2010. For instance, eSATA drives 3 times as faster than gigabit ethernet. With anything but eSATA the transfer of 32 Gb from your HD cam will range from mess to killing. For the HD-cam users, eSATA is the most desirable thing on MBP.
3. In fact, if you need a good laptop with BR I would recommend Dell Latitude in magnesium bodies. This (or MBP 2010) is what I am thinking of as the second laptop. We have a consumer's Dell XPS 16 1080p with BR burner. We are happy with it and with BR. 1080p movies from the BR discs is obviously another experience than DVD. It is just a joy to burn 25 Gb of HD personal vids and send it to the relatives. And now, even Dell Vostro has BR. Also, there are cool Precision models from Dell with non-glossy RGB LED screens, though a bit heavy. The only problem with Dell is that it does not have Mac OS.
4. Btw, I would not recommend to go to Sony if you need a highend laptop. They do not have display ports which produce much higher resolution on external displays than HDMI. Also, the bodies do not match Dell Latitude in the build quality. The integration of SW and HW from Dell is usually much better than of Sony - Dell folks are the Engineers.
Looking forward at eSATA on MBP, if not - i myself go to Dell Latitude.
quantm
PS I am not a teen downloader - my time costs too much for it, therefore do not argue guys that high-speed internet can replace BR.
PPS Forgot to mention, Blue Ray is indeed a mainstream now: im my next-door video rent, the BR's rent price is about the same as the DVD's one.
"""I'm such a consumer. I have a number of blu rays that I want to watch on the go. I'll be buying a $2000+ high end laptop this year and I won't even be considering a MBP if they don't feature the blu ray drive in the next update. I'm just waiting to see what the next update has in store but I'll likely be picking up the Sony Vaio Z if Apple fails to deliver."""
1. I agree. There are many arguments to have BlueRay on a laptop.
1) For example, (obviously) a replacement of the dedicated Blue Ray Player. If you have a good outputs - this is what we have on our Dell XPS 16 (displayport, Dolby 7.1 via HDMI) there is no need in dedicated BR player.
2) But more important: to spread HD vids taken by your HD cam (they are getting affordable now - sub 1000$). Remember, HD cams produce gigabytes. If one wants to send a HD movie to somebody, there is no way to do it without BR.
2. Then, there are consequences for the IO on a laptop due to HD-cams onset. The chippest way to store gigabytes from your HD cam are the hardrives (which are chipper per giga than BR discs). Therefore, one needs an eSATA port. And I am wondering why nobody requires eSATA on MBP 2010. For instance, eSATA drives 3 times as faster than gigabit ethernet. With anything but eSATA the transfer of 32 Gb from your HD cam will range from mess to killing. For the HD-cam users, eSATA is the most desirable thing on MBP.
3. In fact, if you need a good laptop with BR I would recommend Dell Latitude in magnesium bodies. This (or MBP 2010) is what I am thinking of as the second laptop. We have a consumer's Dell XPS 16 1080p with BR burner. We are happy with it and with BR. 1080p movies from the BR discs is obviously another experience than DVD. It is just a joy to burn 25 Gb of HD personal vids and send it to the relatives. And now, even Dell Vostro has BR. Also, there are cool Precision models from Dell with non-glossy RGB LED screens, though a bit heavy. The only problem with Dell is that it does not have Mac OS
. 4. Btw, I would not recommend to go to Sony if you need a highend laptop. They do not have display ports which produce much higher resolution on external displays than HDMI. Also, the bodies do not match Dell Latitude in the build quality. The integration of SW and HW from Dell is usually much better than of Sony - Dell folks are the Engineers.
Looking forward at eSATA on MBP, if not - i myself go to Dell Latitude.
quantm
PS I am not a teen downloader - my time costs too much for it, therefore do not argue guys that high-speed internet can replace BR.
PPS Forgot to mention, Blue Ray is indeed a mainstream now: im my next-door video rent, the BR's rent price is about the same as the DVD's one.
You do not need to watch BR movies from the battery - there is power supply for it
.Other pro BR arguments are given in my comment below:
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=9224472#post9224472
well, I do need a portable laptop 12-14" with BR and display port which I attch to the extermal 24" LED screen (or the 40" LED TV via displayport to HDMI adapter) - for me this combination is much more rational than overweighted 17" MBP. And Dell does offer this.
I'm not going to be posting here anymore. This forum is a time suck but I wanted to leave you with a recent addition I made to the OP...
But here is the upgrade that would be a dream come true and be a knock out killing blow to all other competing laptops...
I think now that would be an upgrade that would take the MBP to the next level.
but I wanted to leave you with a recent addition I made to the OP...But here is the upgrade that would be a dream come true and be a knock out killing blow to all other competing laptops...
I think now that would be an upgrade that would take the MBP to the next level.
and i need a 10 hours battery macbook (and a 300$ netbook offer i).....and i would like one intel i5 inside my imac g4 amazing design....
i don't see apple doing a model with and another without optical drive, but they do offer that in the most recent mac mini.
i can see the white macbook loosing the drive and macbook pro's sticking with it, with br maybe...
but then it would be a hard time for macbook air....
i guess only steve knows but one thing i am sure. He doesn't like blu-ray and he does want to loose the optical drive....
Dell's 9-cell baterries have very many hours
as well.BR+eSATA on new MBPs is what I relly need. And as I said before, not only me but the forthcoming army of the HD-cams users.
That is why video compression has been invented. You can easily cram that HD video of yours on a DVD without significant quality loss. The number of people with BluRay players of any kind are still rather limited. Hell, lots of people still don't even have a HDTV.
Still, Apple should at least have OSX support BluRay. Can't be that hard.
eSATA requires external power so it's hardly convenient. You'll never see it on a Macbook Pro and it will most likely be forgotten in a few years anyway, replaced by USB3 and especially Lightpeak.
as i said, the quality deifferencs between true HD on BR and DVD is noticeble (there are a lot of tests around, but i just trust to my vision). furthermoe, the video even on HD prosumer cams is already compressed seriuosly. so your offer to cram HD video to the DVD size is equal to get rid of the HD standard
does not matter how many do not have BR/HDTV- does matter how much BR costs. if it costs about one hundreed more for the burner and about the same price for the BR discs rent as for DVD than future is here. even crap from asus/acer offers the future.
sure, it's not a technical prob at all, don't you see Apple just wants us to download content from their online facilities?
eSATA has the same size as standard USB. look at this:
http://www.dell.com/us/en/business/notebooks/vostro-v13/pd.aspx?refid=vostro-v13&cs=04&s=bsd
to have one eSATA instread of one USB herein to stay compact is no problem thsi - aluminium vostro v13 is just 1,6 kg.
USB3 will be slower than the next gen eSATA - both USB/eSATA broadband will be scaled simultaneously in the new gen PCI-express standard
most problem: there is no USB3 expected on MBP in early 2010 so there is no eSATA alternative RIGHT NOW
finally, there are no rational/technical/size reasons not to have eSATA on a good laptop (MBP 2010?).
all arguments of not having eSATA (express card) ports on 13/15" Macs are religiuos.
any alternative high performance storage (via WiFi or Gig Ethernet) requires external power and same time is about 3 times as slow than eSATA. it is simply mess to spill 32 Gb (this is getting the standart memory size for the HD cams) to an external HD via FW800
While blu-ray sales are up, there are not enough titles compared to DVD @ over 85,000.
I am on the computer enough thank you and if I want to watch blu-ray I wil do it on my home theater/player/40 Samsung thank you....
A google search produced this:
It is not realistic to compare total sales, as DVD has 85,528 titles released in the USA and Blu-ray has only 460 titles.
May 2008: When Sonys Blu-ray format killed off Toshibas HD DVD format in the the high definition DVD war in February, it was expected that Blu-ray players would see a massive sales increase, as consumers realized the format was a safe long-term bet. However, sales figures show that since the beginning of the year, sales of Blu-ray players have actually dropped quite substantially.
June 2009:
Blu-ray Adoption Still Sluggish, HDTV Sales Up
It's a tough time for Blu-ray to be really hitting its stride. Many consumers are still wary due to the battle with HD-DVD, and frankly, many are still content with DVD. In too many cases, upscaled DVD looks "good enough" for consumers, and only those with oodles of disposable income are willing to fork out for Blu-ray. Blu-ray player prices are still relatively high, and the actual movies are way expensive compared to the same titles on DVD. Plus, the install base of DVD is so high, it's tough for many to start building another movie library on another format.
January 2009:
An interesting read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-giltz/dvds-to-bluray-or-not-to_b_156682.html
No figures are out yet for the end of 2009, however.
Unless you have a SSD then the bottle neck is the hard drive. 3 GB/s SATA is pretty meaningless when the drive maxes out at about 1.5 GB/s. Firewire 800 is at worst 2x slower, and at best nearly equal to SATA when using spinning drives. The two best features of FW are power off the FW cable (for 2.5" drives) and daisy chaining. I have eSATA on my hackintosh and I never use it. FW800 and FW400 are much more convenient.
eSATA on the laptops is the same, but external SATA: if its HD supportes SATA Revision 2.0 (SATA 3Gb/s) so does eSATA. there are lots of test showing how eSATA beats FW800. especially when connecting multiple drives (raid). tests are in google.
how many gygabites do you usually put on your harddrive? "just 2 times slower" (compared to the obsolet SATA Revision 1.0 (SATA 1.5Gb/s)) is exactly the point: when dealing with gigabytes, two times can easily mean one hour instead of half. until the onset of latest HD cams this situation was not usual but now it is.
I do not see the problem in configuring BR on a laptop. The prices are now of 200 BR euro for the BR laptop burners and 100 euro for the BR readers. The customers must have choice to order either BR (read or read+write) or DVD on the laptop - depends on the needs and wallets. Most of the vendors give this choice - why not Apple? The answer is: they do not want to threat their online content selling facilities.
I said that SATA beats FW800. But the difference for most people is negligible. If it were that meaningful, then I'd use my eSATA port. But eSATA is much more inconvenient for me.
This is irrelevant unless you routinely transfer hundreds of gigabytes at a time. This is an extremely rare event for most people. The only times I can think of when I do is when I'm making a clone of a boot drive, or an initial Time Machine backup, or if I'm upgrading to a larger capacity drive. I've done these perhaps 4 or 5 times in the last year, so it's pretty much meaningless. On the other hand, I quite often copy over a few gigabytes and my 2.5" 500 gb FW400 drive is plenty for that. Plug in, copy and go in a minute or two.
eSATA is overrated unless you have an SSD drive.
1. the truth is: the situation was irrelevant until recently - before the HD-cam prices dropped under 1000$. now, using e.g. panasonic tm300k
http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-...rs/model.HDC-TM300K_11002_7000000000000005702
3 passes of the cam's memory is exactly 100 Gb. in this circumstances, a performance lead of 1.5 times (at least) is not negligible anymore. because we are in the scale of hours.
2. of course, i am interesting in putting these 100 Gb on the raid (mirrored) double disc straightway (since the optical BR back-up of such amounts is very expensive). here, the eSATA discs will beat FW ones overwhelnigly.
thus, the situation of need for eSATA vs. FW800 was indeed rare for the last generation of MBP. now it has changed and there will be increasing demand for that... which is btw is already satisfied by most of the wintel vendors.