{01-FEB-2020} SMtube 20.1.0 (OS X 10.4 ) (alternative for Youview/Mactubes/Mobile Youtube) INSTALLER

[Lastic]

Thanks to a very usefull tip by @XaPHER , I was able to compile qt4-mac 4.8.7 on OS X Tiger using Macports with a local ports tree. (see post here https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...outube-installer.2030035/page-9#post-25776972 )

As such the prerequisite for SMTube is fullfilled and could be compiled.

Now that sad news is that since SMTube 18.1 ( or 10-jan-2018 ) Youtube has HTTPS links and as such
Tonvid feeds HTTPS links which Coreplayer can't handle.

Currently only MPlayer 1.3 is capable of this , which I also compiled using Macports 2.4.2 on Tiger.

As such you need to install the qt4-mac MPKG from here :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x4zclwlto8vxrnd/qt4-mac-4.8.7_5_OSX_Tiger.mpkg.zip?dl=0

After which you can move SMTube.app (see attached ZIP file) to the Applications folder and start using it.

I've built an MPKG for MPlayer 1.3 on Tiger also but from previous experiences this might not work :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5pwytrr9rg30jhx/MPlayer-1.3.0_3_OSX_Tiger.mpkg.zip?dl=0

{19-FEB-2019 Added MPlayer OSD Tiger DropBox link }

This is the MPlayer 1.3 with OSD variant for Tiger

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0edais18fyjuz9q/MPlayer+OSD-1.3.0_3_Tiger.mpkg.zip?dl=0

{07-FEB-2018} updated for lcms error

If you get the following error in your Console ,

===== Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:42:06 =====
dyld: Library not loaded: /opt/local/lib/liblcms.1.dylib
Referenced from: /opt/local/libexec/qt4/Library/Frameworks/QtWebKit.framework/Versions/4/QtWebKit
Reason: image not found
Feb 6 19:42:18 machinename crashdump[215]: smtube crashed
Feb 6 19:42:18 machinename crashdump[215]: crash report written to: /Users/Home/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/smtube.crash.log

You can fix this as suggested by @XaPHER by linking the missing lcms library to the installed lcms2 library but opening a Terminal and issuing :

ln -s /opt/local/lib/liblcms2.dylib /opt/local/lib/liblcms.1.dylib

I found that on my PB G4 12" 1.5 Ghz the best I could get on Charger , Better Performance was 480p playback. MPlayer lacks the Altivec optimisations that Coreplayer has .

{07-FEB-2018} updated with MPlayer suggestions

As suggested by @Dronecatcher adding following parameters to MPlayer will allow 720p playback on some machines :

%u -title %t -framedrop -cache 8192 -lavdopts skiploopfilter=all:skipframe=nonref -really-quiet

Add -fs if you always want FullScreen playback .

Als from one of his previous threads

Whilst the video is streaming MPlayer can be controlled by keyboard shortcuts:

9 - volume down
0 - volume up
command + 0 - half size
command + 1 - original size
command + 2 - double size
space - pause/play
cursor right - forward 10 seconds
cursor up - forward 1 minute
f - full screen
esc - quit

These are the optimised MPlayer parameters as stated above

A lot of usefull info can also be found at the OS X Leopard thread :

{01-FEB-2020} SMtube 20.1.0 (OS X 10.5.8) (alternative for Youview/Mactubes/Mobile Youtube) INSTALLER

Inspired by this thread Mactubes in 2017 or alternatives I learned of the existence of smtube and smplayer and decided to look further into this since I had already installed mplayer via Macports. Basically you need qt4 which was already installed on my PB G4 12" by installing mplayer via...

forums.macrumors.com

Thanks to @Dronecatcher for being the guinea pig again and @XaPHER for the very usefull TigerPorts library.

 

[DearthnVader]

Thanks to a very usefull tip by @Xaph , I was able to compile qt4-mac 4.8.7 on OS X Tiger using Macports with a local ports tree. (see post here https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...outube-installer.2030035/page-9#post-25776972 )

As such the prerequisite for SMTube is fullfilled and could be compiled.

Now that sad news is that since SMTube 18.1 ( or 10-jan-2018 ) Youtube has HTTPS links and as such
Tonvid feeds HTTPS links which Coreplayer can't handle.

Currently only MPlayer 1.3 is capable of this , which I also compiled using Macports 2.4.2 on Tiger.

As such you need to install the qt4-mac MPKG from here :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x4zclwlto8vxrnd/qt4-mac-4.8.7_5_OSX_Tiger.mpkg.zip?dl=0

After which you can move SMTube.app (see attached ZIP file) to the Applications folder and start using it.

I've built an MPKG for MPlayer 1.3 on Tiger also but from previous experiences this might not work :

!!! INSTALL AT YOUR OWN RISK THAT YOU HAVE TO DELETE IT AGAIN !!!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5pwytrr9rg30jhx/MPlayer-1.3.0_3_OSX_Tiger.mpkg.zip?dl=0

My MPlayer 1.3 install on OS X Tiger was built via Macports 2.4.2 after I had installed Xcode 2.5 , installed
Macports 2.3.1 , upgraded Macports ( sudo port selfupdate ) and sudo port install MPlayer (which took a night to build )

I found that on my PB G4 12" 1.5 Ghz the best I could get on Charger , Better Performance was 480p playback. MPlayer lacks the Altivec optimisations that Coreplayer has .

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A lot of usefull info can also be found at the OS X Leopard thread :

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ew-mactubes-mobile-youtube-installer.2030035/

Doesn't seem to work on my DP 1.0 Ghz Quicksilver:

 /Users/jam/Desktop/smtube\ 18.1\ OSX\ Tiger.app/Contents/MacOS/smtube
dyld: Library not loaded: /opt/local/lib/liblcms.1.dylib
  Referenced from: /opt/local/libexec/qt4/Library/Frameworks/QtWebKit.framework/Versions/4/QtWebKit
  Reason: image not found
Trace/BPT trap

 

[Dronecatcher]

Tried it on my 1Ghz TiBook....
SMTube won't launch - I get this error in Console:

===== Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:42:06 Europe/London =====
dyld: Library not loaded: /opt/local/lib/liblcms.1.dylib
Referenced from: /opt/local/libexec/qt4/Library/Frameworks/QtWebKit.framework/Versions/4/QtWebKit
Reason: image not found
Feb 6 19:42:18 wayne-sadlers-powerbook-g4-15 crashdump[215]: smtube crashed
Feb 6 19:42:18 wayne-sadlers-powerbook-g4-15 crashdump[215]: crash report written to: /Users/Home/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/smtube.crash.log

I don't have the build frameworks installed on the TiBook, if I did would it be a case of - sudo port install liblcms ?

The good news however is that Mplayer does work and along with having webm playback it's a tad better at playback than the existing Tiger Mplayer. Thanks @Lastic

 

[XaPHER]

From looking the .mpkg of qt4, lcms2 is installed instead of lcms. The problem is that it looks for liblcms.1.dylib but the object's pathname is liblcms2.2.dylib. This terminal command should suffice(with appropriate priviledge level):

ln -s /opt/local/lib/liblcms2.dylib /opt/local/lib/liblcms.1.dylib

If there's more unfound symbols it should all be reasonably similar except if something is really missing in the package.

One small trick to reduce the bundle size would be to remove docs/examples/manpages. Static libs or headers aren't needed in cases like this one either, but they're often lesser in size to bother with.

If the complain about lcms persists, it may be preferable to package an earlier lcms, I guess.

 

[Lastic]

The issue is lcms.
I had the same issue on my past Tiger install.

<<
Checked the logs again and google for this ld: library not found -llcms , tried to find lcms but couldn't and noticed
that Macports had installed lcms2 ( sudo port installed ).
Installed lcms ( sudo port install lcms ) , started qt4-mac install ( sudo port install qt4-mac ) and it starts building>>

I thought that qt4-mac MPKG would pick the installed lcms but it didn't , I will try to repackage it this evening with lcms instead of lcms2 but like @XaPHER stated linking the library might do the trick , but there might be more instances.

Will also check if I can add flags to remove docs/examples/manpages from the qt4-mac MPKG .

@Dronecatcher glad to hear that MPlayer works, strange that it doesn't when I create it on Leopard, going to clean install Leopard only on a PB this evening and see if the Tiger MPlayer MPKG works there.

Time to set the Xserve G4 to use as a Netboot Server because I'm tired of CCC'ing for 2 hours each time I have to start from a clean install.

 

[XaPHER]

I suspect the mplayer portfile that comes from tigerports to be responsible for the build succeeding. The maintainer of the repo also has a leopardports and a snowleopardports repo, which may be of interest. He is apparently involved a lot in macports.

 

[Lastic]

The issue is lcms

I suspect the mplayer portfile that comes from tigerports to be responsible for the build succeeding. The maintainer of the repo also has a leopardports and a snowleopardports repo, which may be of interest. He is apparently involved a lot in macports.

I didn't do the MPlayer build from the local Tigerports directory but from the regular Macports tree.

On Leopard the Macports tree build also builds succesfully but when I create an MPKG so people without Xcode and Macports can install it , MPlayer gives an "Illegal Instruction" error when executed.

 

[Dronecatcher]

From looking the .mpkg of qt4, lcms2 is installed instead of lcms. The problem is that it looks for liblcms.1.dylib but the object's pathname is liblcms2.2.dylib. This terminal command should suffice(with appropriate priviledge level):

Bang on! That did the trick! Cheers @XaPHER
[doublepost=1518004040][/doublepost]Success With edit suggested by @XaPHER SMTube now firing on all cylinders!

On my 1Ghz TiBook, instant 720P Youtube between 50-80% CPU:

 

[DearthnVader]

Funny, I didn't have a /opt/local/lib dir at all?

Anyway, I fixed it with:

 sudo port -f install lcms

I love this SMtube, it's exactly what I've been looking for, thank you to everyone that worked on it.

If anyone is interested, I'd like to build a modern web browsers for these old PPC systems. TenFourFox just really doesn't cut it for me. I know the limitation of these old 32bit PPC systems is ram, and modern web pages can be upwards of 300MB, but I have an old "Snow" Chromebook, with a dual core 32bit Arm that only has 2GB of ram, and I can run 10 tabs in Chrome, and webpages still load very fast. I don't know if it's the codebase for Firefox, or if TenFourFox is just a poor implementation, I just feel that if a dual core 1.6Ghz Arm can do modern web browsing without stalling and choking on webpages, then a G4 should be able to as well.

I'm thinking WebKit is a better way to go, so maybe we could get Konqueror to build for these old PPC systems, and we could make a few enhancements such as SMtube does to deal with websites like youtube that try and feed HTML5 video that these old G4's just can't handle at high bit rates.

It's not something I can really take on alone, but if we could get a small group of us together to build a proof of concept, we could gauge how much interest there is in the project. Seem to me that TenFourFox is downloaded well over 10k times a week, so there is still some interest in these old PPC systems.

I'd like to hear what others think, is it feasible?

Is dual core Arm 32bit that much faster clock for clock than these old G4 and G5 systems?

 

[Dronecatcher]

And working perfectly at 720P on my 1.33Ghz Powerbook 12":

I tried to install on my G3 iBook and SMTube does load and work however Mplayer doesn't - in theory, would it compile for G3 if I installed the tools?
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I'd like to hear what others think, is it feasible?

I'm only speculating but whilst software could be optimised and Altivec employed more, I suspect the key failing is the hardware differences (graphics and video acceleration) and modern web frameworks that simply will never work as well as the deprecated ones under Power PC (eg Javascript).

However, a concerted effort to make a fully optimised browser would be great and I'd pay for the finished result.

 

[Lastic]

@Dronecatcher I'm guessing your Tiger 720p SMTube playback is on Charger , Better Performance ?
Really have to check why my PB G4 12" 1.5Ghz , IDE SSD is struggling then ?

Regarding a G3 build, I'm guessing that you need Xcode 2.5 ( if Tiger is the max. OS X for a G3) and Macports, there must be something processor specific which causes MPlayer MPKG not to work, but I don't have access to a G3 .

I'm going to clean install Leopard (from CCC image) and Tiger (from scratch) tonight, so I can check further.

Did anybody try the MPlayer MPKG on a non Xcode/Macports Leopard G4/G5 install ?
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Funny, I didn't have a /opt/local/lib dir at all?

Anyway, I fixed it with:

 sudo port -f install lcms

I love this SMtube, it's exactly what I've been looking for, thank you to everyone that worked on it.

If anyone is interested, I'd like to build a modern web browsers for these old PPC systems. TenFourFox just really doesn't cut it for me. I know the limitation of these old 32bit PPC systems is ram, and modern web pages can be upwards of 300MB, but I have an old "Snow" Chromebook, with a dual core 32bit Arm that only has 2GB of ram, and I can run 10 tabs in Chrome, and webpages still load very fast. I don't know if it's the codebase for Firefox, or if TenFourFox is just a poor implementation, I just feel that if a dual core 1.6Ghz Arm can do modern web browsing without stalling and choking on webpages, then a G4 should be able to as well.

I'm thinking WebKit is a better way to go, so maybe we could get Konqueror to build for these old PPC systems, and we could make a few enhancements such as SMtube does to deal with websites like youtube that try and feed HTML5 video that these old G4's just can't handle at high bit rates.

It's not something I can really take on alone, but if we could get a small group of us together to build a proof of concept, we could gauge how much interest there is in the project. Seem to me that TenFourFox is downloaded well over 10k times a week, so there is still some interest in these old PPC systems.

I'd like to hear what others think, is it feasible?

Is dual core Arm 32bit that much faster clock for clock than these old G4 and G5 systems?

Regarding TenFourFox vs Webkit, are we talking Tiger or Leopard ?

 

[Dronecatcher]

Did anybody try the MPlayer MPKG on a non Xcode/Macports Leopard G4/G5 install ?

Confirmed - happy to say the Tiger build of Mplayer 1.3 works perfectly with Leopard SMTube, here it is playing 720P on my Powerbook 17"

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I'm guessing your Tiger 720p SMTube playback is on Charger , Better Performance ?

Yes, have on Highest setting. Also, I use a few playback parameters passed to Mplayer:

-fs -framedrop -cache 8192 -lavdopts skiploopfilter=all:skipframe=nonref

 

[Lastic]

Confirmed - happy to say the Tiger build of Mplayer 1.3 works perfectly with Leopard SMTube, here it is playing 720P on my Powerbook 17"

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Yes, have on Highest setting. Also, I use a few playback parameters passed to Mplayer:

-fs -framedrop -cache 8192 -lavdopts skiploopfilter=all:skipframe=nonref

Ah Good news saves me a 2 hour restore, did you have to do the

ln -s /opt/local/lib/liblcms2.dylib /opt/local/lib/liblcms.1.dylib

trick on Leopard also ?

 

[Dronecatcher]

Ah Good news saves me a 2 hour restore, did you have to do the

ln -s /opt/local/lib/liblcms2.dylib /opt/local/lib/liblcms.1.dylib

trick on Leopard also ?

No, SMTube was always fine in Leopard, it was only Mplayer lacking. Just installed ok on my 1.5Ghz 12" - difference there was it doesn't have XCode/Macports installed so couldn't use sudo port clean mplayer first, however Tiger Mplayer installed fine over the top.

Great to have SMTube back

 

[Dronecatcher]

I've come across a glitch using Leopard SMTube/Tiger Mplayer on my Dual 1.42 MDD - playing 720P was running both CPUs at 100% - the culprit was syslogd which appeared to caused by feedback from Mplayer.
I cured this by including the parameter -really-quiet in the SMTube player preferences - CPU is now back to around 30%.
This hasn't happened on other machines but I've also included the same parameter on them as Mplayer not continually reporting status will save a few processor cycles.

 

[AphoticD]

Funny, I didn't have a /opt/local/lib dir at all?

Anyway, I fixed it with:

 sudo port -f install lcms

I love this SMtube, it's exactly what I've been looking for, thank you to everyone that worked on it.

If anyone is interested, I'd like to build a modern web browsers for these old PPC systems. TenFourFox just really doesn't cut it for me. I know the limitation of these old 32bit PPC systems is ram, and modern web pages can be upwards of 300MB, but I have an old "Snow" Chromebook, with a dual core 32bit Arm that only has 2GB of ram, and I can run 10 tabs in Chrome, and webpages still load very fast. I don't know if it's the codebase for Firefox, or if TenFourFox is just a poor implementation, I just feel that if a dual core 1.6Ghz Arm can do modern web browsing without stalling and choking on webpages, then a G4 should be able to as well.

I'm thinking WebKit is a better way to go, so maybe we could get Konqueror to build for these old PPC systems, and we could make a few enhancements such as SMtube does to deal with websites like youtube that try and feed HTML5 video that these old G4's just can't handle at high bit rates.

It's not something I can really take on alone, but if we could get a small group of us together to build a proof of concept, we could gauge how much interest there is in the project. Seem to me that TenFourFox is downloaded well over 10k times a week, so there is still some interest in these old PPC systems.

I'd like to hear what others think, is it feasible?

Is dual core Arm 32bit that much faster clock for clock than these old G4 and G5 systems?

The best gauge for comparison IMO would be to install a lightweight Linux/PPC on your G4 and then try running a WebKit based browser like Konqueror (Midori has always been my favourite). This would in theory provide the best performance on the hardware with minimal overhead. However things like Altivec optimisation may not be fully implemented. You've got to remember too, that any form of SMP is going to shine over a single processor. There is effectively 3.2GHz of multithreaded processing power on that ARM processor, which is likely packed full of a multitude of optimisations that the single-threaded G4 lacks.

Although TenFourFox works brilliantly and is highly optimised (within the scope of Altivec), it is a full-featured modern browser running on older hardware. Further optimisations would likely need to come in the form of stripping down the features. I was always impressed with the performance of Camino, which was also a Gecko based browser (like TFF), so I don't think it's simply a case of a WebKit base being faster than a Gecko base.

In terms of best performance and feature set, Leopard WebKit works really well on my G4s and is in active development. Launch times are a few seconds, instead of 30+ seconds with TFF. Standard interactions like creating a new tab or going into Preferences are instant instead of taking 5 - 10 seconds (or more).

 

[Dronecatcher]

The best gauge for comparison IMO would be to install a lightweight Linux/PPC on your G4 and then try running a WebKit based browser like Konqueror (Midori has always been my favourite).

If only there was a lightweight Linux for PPC though....
I tried a skeletal Debian install following PPC Luddite's guide and still, apart from a few tasks, it couldn't match OSX (and on my 17" the infernal trackpad issues) and one had to suffer a very spartan interface.

Some brave soul did set out to author a new, small footprint Linux for PPC via a Kickstarter but were sadly, largely shot down by the community here.
I think the fastest OS we currently have for PPC is Morphos but that is not without many quirks and failings compared to OSX.

 

[pochopsp]

Hi @Lastic ! Thanks a lot for bringing Smtube to Tiger! I am a big fan of this project as you know...

I wanted to try it with my new (maybe it is more correct to say "like new") Ibook G4, but I am not able to download qt and mplayer from dropbox. I am using the latest version of TenfourFox, when I click on "direct download" it just loads for a few seconds and then nothing happens. Have you got a solution for that?

Thanks a lot, your Italian N.1 supporter,
- pochopsp -

 

[pochopsp]

Nevermind! I foxboxed the dropbox link and I managed to get it work... Just amazing!!! 360p videos are silky smooth on Ibook G4 1.33ghz with 512 mb of ram... thank you @Lastic !!

 

[Lastic]

SMTube 18.9 build added to 1st post

 

[AphoticD]

Just a thought to put CorePlayer back into the mix... Would it be possible to run a local Apache (Personal web sharing or similar) web server with a PHP script which could be fed a https YouTube url but output via a http stream?

E.g such an url would be fed to CorePlayer as:

http://localhost/restreamer.php?url=https://etcetc.youtube.etc/etc

And would just stream out the video data on a non-secure local port.

I imagine the only pre-requisite would be an up to date OpenSSL installation via macports.

It could also make use of an existing tool like wget or curl and be written in python or perl if that is preferred.

Any thoughts?

 

[Dronecatcher]

Just a thought to put CorePlayer back into the mix...

This member has a youtube-dl/Coreplayer streamer working...but seems to want to keep it to himself

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ader-even-for-g3.2031523/page-4#post-25217224

I'm happy with SMTube+new MPlayer - the only real advantage with Coreplayer is 720P is less demanding than on MPlayer - disadvantages are clunky interface and no webm playback.

 

[XaPHER]

disadvantages are clunky interface and no webm playback.

There's one thing to add for coreplayer: the AVC deblocking filter still gives blocky output frequently. Depending on what you watch it gets annoying. Like watching blocks in HD. For me at least.

 

[Dronecatcher]

There's one thing to add for coreplayer: the AVC deblocking filter still gives blocky output frequently. Depending on what you watch it gets annoying. Like watching blocks in HD. For me at least.

I have had that on occasion, certain files it just does not like.

 

[Lastic]

So after 10 hours of compiling, here is the link to MPlayer 1.3 with OSD enabled compiled on Tiger with all dependencies included.

Please try this on a non-Xcode , non-Macports Tiger , preferably with no previous MPlayer install and let me know if this works.

I haven't been able to test this on a clean system or a system with a previous version of MPlayer installed since I used Macports, so try at your own risk.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0edais18fyjuz9q/MPlayer+OSD-1.3.0_3_Tiger.mpkg.zip?dl=0

Once MPlayer has started you can toggle the OSD with the o key .

If this works , I will continue with installing qt4-mac on my Tiger machine and compile SMTube 18.11 for Tiger also.