1 year later and the iPhone 4 is still better than all Android phones

[Faux Carnival]

We all know that Galaxy S II crushed every single phone out there. And be sure that they are trying to beat the S II's speed in Apple labs. The fastest browsing experience ever. Smoother than iPhone 4. And lol, no checkerboards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_4vijEfQaQ

 

[FX4568]

10 years later and we are still competing on who can pee farther

 

[Bobby Corwen]

We all know that Galaxy S II crushed every single phone out there. And be sure that they are trying to beat the S II's speed in Apple labs. The fastest browsing experience ever. Smoother than iPhone 4. And lol, no checkerboards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_4vijEfQaQ

Um no we don't.

Dude the GS2 has the same issues.

You can't just throw horsepower at the problem.

 

[Faux Carnival]

I think you should watch the video.

 

[tigress666]

I notice a huge contradiction on what a lot of machine enthusiasts say. It is very funny to be honest, they say Apps is the most important thing but when it comes to a comparison between mac os x and windows programs don't matter.

Hey now, I have been a Macintosh user and lover for its existance. And I'll still say having software for it is important, being a Mac user you really learn that (that was the sucky thing about having a Mac especially back in the day when it wasn't doing so well, nothing was made for it ).

I think the Mac OS is better but it doesn't matter if there is nothing made for it . Luckily, I can be thankful that the ipods and iphone have brought popularity for the Mac and that's not so big an issue anymore . We may not get everything (Quicken refuses to make anything decent for the Mac and you aren't going to do much gaming on a Mac but even that has improved) but at least we have options now.

And honestly, I will say the fact that there are so many apps for the iphone and in general, "There is an app for that" is one of the biggest reasons I love my iphone so much. Without having lots of selection and good apps for it, it would not even be half as useful as it is now. And especially since I like gaming on it and I hear the game selection on Android is still far worse, I would pick the iphone any day (even if I wasn't so entrenched in the ecosystem by now).

 

[sentinelsx]

PS Vita plus dual core iPhone = win.

I have used android. Problem is the specs are moving at light speed and software is not. Also personally, i can't use android for more than an hour and not throw up. It is simply not for me. I can do everything on my iPhone fine and I don't need validation from a rival OS.

I wish they can place a quad core chip inside Ip5. Won't need a PSVita with all the cool games developed for it. All we will need is a custom apple sanctioned button pad that can be attached for gaming sessions.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

I think you should watch the video.

Maybe you don't see what I see. The scrolling isn't as smooth and the menus are the same underwhelming ordeal.

I've seen more than just that vid. I researched this when the hype for the SG2 started because I thought, ok this is it, they finally fixed the issues and come much closer to the iphone 4 experience.

But I don't think so now.

Also my dad has a GS1 and it is hilarious.

The difficulty they have achieving this and the amount of years it's taking them speaks volumes about the closed vs open system conversation.

The smooth scrolling, and allegorically the track pad on Macs, is single handedly the best and last greatest triumph of the closed system and the main reason the best choice is still to go Apple in both universes.

Case closed.

 

[walie]

PS Vita plus dual core iPhone = win.

I have used android. Problem is the specs are moving at light speed and software is not. Also personally, i can't use android for more than an hour and not throw up. It is simply not for me. I can do everything on my iPhone fine and I don't need validation from a rival OS.

Its probably not the phone causing you to throw up, but rather intestinal issues. I would seek medical attention immediately.

The difficulty they have achieving this and the amount of years it's taking them speaks volumes about the closed vs open system conversation.

The smooth scrolling, and allegorically the track pad on Macs, is single handedly the best and last greatest triumph of the closed system and the main reason the best choice is still to go Apple in both universes.

Case closed.

For the aesthetically vain.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

For the aesthetically vain.

And there you have hit the nail on the head as for the reason why these debates exist. It is a constant underlying elephant in the room of an issue that nobody really brings up but it's really what it's always about, isn't it?

The problem with Apple users is that you can't really use that argument against them since they are pretty much human beings who are more in touch with their artistic side to various degrees and when you say aesthetically vain, in your world it's a criticism, but to us, it being human nature to like eye candy and visually pleasing things, our reaction low-key is more like: "true... go on?"

And we will still end up making the more beautiful choice. Apple.

 

[walie]

And there you have hit the nail on the head as for the reason why these debates exist. It is a constant underlying elephant in the room of an issue that nobody really brings up but it's really what it's always about, isn't it?

The problem with Apple users is that you can't really use that argument against them since they are pretty much human beings who are more in touch with their artistic side to various degrees and when you say aesthetically vain, in your world it's a criticism, but to us, it being human nature to like eye candy and visually pleasing things, our reaction low-key is more like: "true... go on?"

And we will still end up making the more beautiful choice. Apple.

Still vain

 

[TheMacBookPro]

LOL...I found this funny. My boss just got the Arc, unlocked. Paid more for it than the unlocked iPhone 4. It's been the biggest POS I've ever seen. Exchange support is horrible. It's laggy, locks up, and although the UI looks pretty, it's extremely unstable. Could be his handset, but from my experience with it, I'd have thrown it through a window on the second day of using it...

That's really strange- I bought my arc 2 months ago after it launched here in Hong Kong for $1300 HKD (~$167) less than a factory unlocked iPhone. This is at MSRP btw.
Never encountered lag, lock ups or instability... I'd suggest that he get a replacement or do a factory data reset and see if it's any better.

It's all in the details.

People who can't comprehend that Android behavior is laggy usually don't even have a perception or appreciation for such things.

iPhones are phones for artists.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA.

In that case, I am double the artist of many people!

No Android phone is fundamentally in the same league. Don't pretend to understand or try to compete. Just know you can't. No Android phone will ever be better until the whole design principle is scrapped and re-built from the ground up to cater to the right brain too, not just the left.

Just because you think that Apple's closed mindset/design principles is/are better than Android's does not mean it is. Facts and opinions are not the same thing.

Um no we don't.

Dude the GS2 has the same issues.

Lol. That's funny. Are you just seeing things now, or, erm, oh yeah, well that explains it.

You can't just throw horsepower at the problem.

No two opinions about that. That's why Samsung has implemented hardware acceleration in the browser resulting in a remarkably smooth browsing experience, unlike HTC and their Sensation.

Just based on my experience with the GSII, Sensation and the iPhone 4, of course. I do own all of them (two iPhone 4s in fact) obviously- it is important to own or have extensive first-hand experience with devices before criticizing or praising said device. I trust that you do too [with the GSII]?

Maybe you don't see what I see. The scrolling isn't as smooth and the menus are the same underwhelming ordeal.

I've seen more than just that vid. I researched this when the hype for the SG2 started because I thought, ok this is it, they finally fixed the issues and come much closer to the iphone 4 experience.

But I don't think so now.

I suggest you reinstall your browser- it appears to be linking to a completely different clip.

They haven't just 'come much closer' to the iPhone 4, they've matched it (some would say 'completely eclipsed it', but let's not go there)[This is based on my usage and experience with these devices. I have come to the conclusion that they are comparable. You may have a different opinion, & i 100% respect that.]. Do you have first-hand experience with the Galaxy S II by any chance?

Also my dad has a GS1 and it is hilarious.

I would tell you exactly what's hilarious here, but unfortunately it might be seen as an insult so I'm not going to say it. (YOU ARE)

Also, is it the norm on here to bring in an older device to a discussion for comparison?
In that case, let me just state that the GSII is far quicker than the 2G, 3G and 3GS. In fact, the Galaxy S was quicker than the 2G and the 3G too, based on visual perception.

The difficulty they have achieving this and the amount of years it's taking them speaks volumes about the closed vs open system conversation.

The smooth scrolling, and allegorically the track pad on Macs, is single handedly the best and last greatest triumph of the closed system and the main reason the best choice is still to go Apple in both universes.

Case closed.

Because your opinion is always right and is a fact, right?

You like the closed system and icons-on-a-grid design that Apple has, and I respect that.
However, your inability to comprehend that other people just might prefer a more customizable system and an open ecosystem is laughable.

 

[DiamondMac]

For some? Yes
For others? No

My fiancee hated her iPhone4 and loves her new Android.

I cant stand Androids and love my iPhone4.

To each their own.

 

[Pracht]

They haven't just 'come much closer' to the iPhone 4, they've matched it (some would say 'completely eclipsed it', but let's not go there).

Because your opinion is always right and is a fact, right?

 

[TheMacBookPro]

Because your opinion is always right and is a fact, right?

I like how you changed your wink smiley to a rolleyes. Thank you for downranking my post btw.

It's not an opinion- he said that the Galaxy S II was not as smooth as the iPhone. But you know what? It is. It's a fact that it's as smooth as the iPhone 4. Visual perception of course, nothing scientific. Let me just state for the record that I have two iPhone 4s and a GSII, all tested when running stock/unmodified software with nothing opened in the background.

In case you don't get it, it's not 'my opinion'- the hordes of YouTube videos etc would show you as much.

And way to address all the other points I brought up (--->rolleyes!)

Since the fanboys are getting their panties in a wad, let me just state that this is based on my usage and experience with these devices. I have come to the conclusion that they are comparable. You may have a different opinion.

 

[nefan65]

For the aesthetically vain.

It's not that...it's about functionality. And that functionality working smoothly and consistently. A wooden crate with wheels is functional. However, wheelbarrow would be more reliable, and probably easier to move things around than the crate...

Someone mention the "Trackpad". All trackpads work; some better than others. It so happens that the one Apple designed, and made is one of the better one's to date. Not THE best, but close to it. In terms of the iPhone, and iOS, the fluidity of the screens, responsiveness, and reliability is BETTER at the moment, than most Android handsets. Nothing about that has to do with Vanity. It's a matter of a better experience. If you don't mind that choppiness, or whatever it is you want to call it, fine. Be happy, and use it. But don't call others vain because they don't happen to like it...

 

[sentinelsx]

Its probably not the phone causing you to throw up, but rather intestinal issues. I would seek medical attention immediately.

It is the phone.

I did't groan or have feelings of disappointment while using my old iPhone 4. Android on the other hand introduced me to a lot of that.

Sorry to break your bubble but android isn't a messiah.

 

[nefan65]

I like how you changed your wink smiley to a rolleyes. Thank you for downranking my post btw.

It's not an opinion- he said that the Galaxy S II was not as smooth as the iPhone. But you know what? It is. It's a fact that it's as smooth as the iPhone 4. Visual perception of course, nothing scientific. Let me just state for the record that I have two iPhone 4s and a GSII, all tested when running stock/unmodified software with nothing opened in the background.

In case you don't get it, it's not 'my opinion'- the hordes of YouTube videos etc would show you as much.

And way to address all the other points I brought up (--->rolleyes!)

I bolded YOUR opinion. How is it fact? Is there a study, or some type of data that supports your opinion?

Funny; people argue about fact vs. opinion. When it's YOU talking, it's fact. When someone else is talking, it's OPINION. You should take your own advice...

 

[TheMacBookPro]

I bolded YOUR opinion. How is it fact? Is there a study, or some type of data that supports your opinion?

Funny; people argue about fact vs. opinion. When it's YOU talking, it's fact. When someone else is talking, it's OPINION. You should take your own advice...

How is it not a fact that it's as smooth as an iPhone?

And yeah there's plenty of data that supports that statement- just watch several videos on youtube showing the GSII and you'll see what I mean.

However, since all the Apple lovers seem to be getting their panties in a wad over that affirmation, I'll change it.

 

[Pmoser]

Um no we don't.

Dude the GS2 has the same issues.

You can't just throw horsepower at the problem.

I beg to differ the galaxy s2 horsepower that was just "thrown at it" loaded the page 11 seconds faster on the S2

 

[nefan65]

That's really strange- I bought my arc 2 months ago after it launched here in Hong Kong for $1300 HKD (~$167) less than a factory unlocked iPhone. This is at MSRP btw.
Never encountered lag, lock ups or instability... I'd suggest that he get a replacement or do a factory data reset and see if it's any better.

Well, he doesn't travel to China, so I suspect that's not an option. Checking things here stateside, they're more $$$ USD than an unlocked iPhone.

He did all those things; in the end, it's just not a great phone. Not saying iPhone is THE best. But in this case, it is better than the Arc. I take something that works out of the box, vs. something that needs to be fiddled with all the time...

CLAP CLAP I WIN!

How is it not a fact that it's as smooth as an iPhone?

And yeah there's plenty of data that supports that statement- just watch several videos on youtube showing the GSII and you'll see what I mean.

However, since all the Apple lovers seem to be getting their panties in a wad over that affirmation, I'll change it.

Sorry, I base my facts on actually seeing the device, not a YouTube video.

Not getting my panties in a bunch at all. My argument is that you push all that drivel you're spewing as fact, and its nothing more than another OPINION. I have held the GSII in my hand, and used it, and didn't find smoother, or as smooth as the iPhone 4. That's my OPINION. It's not a fact.

 

[sk1wbw]

Why are you back to an inferior phone? Clearly the iPhone is inferior because it can do Flash. Right?

 

[Faux Carnival]

Why defend every Apple product to death? The Galaxy S II IS faster than iPhone 4 in everything it does. And damn well it should be. iPhone 4 is a 1 year-old phone now.

 

[TheMacBookPro]

Well, he doesn't travel to China, so I suspect that's not an option. Checking things here stateside, they're more $$$ USD than an unlocked iPhone.

From what I understand the arc is still not available in the US, only the Play on vzw, so eBay/import prices shouldn't be compared.

Once again, this is just my opinion and not a fact and should not be taken as actuality or verity.

He did all those things; in the end, it's just not a great phone. Not saying iPhone is THE best. But in this case, it is better than the Arc. I take something that works out of the box, vs. something that needs to be fiddled with all the time...

I maintain that there's something wrong with the phone. Never had any of the issues stated on my set or the several demos I played with.

CLAP CLAP I WIN!

Er, okay I guess?

Sorry, I base my facts on actually seeing the device, not a YouTube video.

So do I. Hence my assertions about the GSII being as quick/as smooth as the iPhone 4- I actually have two 4s and a GSII sitting right in front of me as we speak, and have extensively used all three devices for (the iPhones) over 9 months and (the GSII) for a tad under 2 months.

But, I understand that you might not believe what 'drivel I'm spewing as fact' and there's nothing I can do about it.

Not getting my panties in a bunch at all.

That's my OPINION too. Do you object to that?

My argument is that you push all that drivel you're spewing as fact,

That's somewhat insulting, don't you think? (my OPINION)
Insults are prohibited on this board fyi.

and its nothing more than another OPINION.

Is it my opinion, or drivel?

I've already edited my post so I'd appreciate it if you stopped with the OPINIONs.

I have held the GSII in my hand, and used it, and didn't find smoother, or as smooth as the iPhone 4. That's my OPINION. It's not a fact.

Cool story bro.

Why defend every Apple product to death? The Galaxy S II IS faster than iPhone 4 in everything it does. And damn well it should be. iPhone 4 is a 1 year-old phone now.

See, I don't deny that the iPhone is better for some people (people who don't like the option for Flash... the people who prefer a smallish screen... the people who can't spend more than 2 minutes customizing the phone... the people who prefer the icon-after-icon layout...), but for some reason many people can't get their heads round the fact that some people just might prefer a different layout/design/ecosystem.

Then they tell me to stop spewing drivel. Bit odd isn't it?

 

[sentinelsx]

Why defend every Apple product to death? The Galaxy S II IS faster than iPhone 4 in everything it does. And damn well it should be. iPhone 4 is a 1 year-old phone now.

It's probably because most android fans are ecstatic they have finally beat an older hardware.....

Funny how 4 months ago everyone was saying they would never buy from samsung after the sgs1.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

That's really strange- I bought my arc 2 months ago after it launched here in Hong Kong for $1300 HKD (~$167) less than a factory unlocked iPhone. This is at MSRP btw.
Never encountered lag, lock ups or instability... I'd suggest that he get a replacement or do a factory data reset and see if it's any better.

OH yay! a breakdown!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA.

In that case, I am double the artist of many people!

Yes, it appears you are.

Just because you think that Apple's closed mindset/design principles is/are better than Android's does not mean it is. Facts and opinions are not the same thing.

Thats your opinion that you believe that its only a matter of opinion. I am of the opinion that most people are not as educated as I am and I don't see everyone as my equal. Therefore I don't speak from the perspective that it is my opinion, but rather the opinion of the enlightened people and a general reasonable truth. You can choose to hear or not hear my voice. Now again, thats MY opinion.

Lol. That's funny. Are you just seeing things now, or, erm, oh yeah, well that explains it.

You got me good there.

No two opinions about that. That's why Samsung has implemented hardware acceleration in the browser resulting in a remarkably smooth browsing experience, unlike HTC and their Sensation.

Implementing hardware does not equal the end result of answering the question: is it as smooth?

Quite frankly I dont care WHAT they did. In the end did they succeed? Not quite.

Just based on my experience with the GSII, Sensation and the iPhone 4, of course. I do own all of them (two iPhone 4s in fact) obviously- it is important to own or have extensive first-hand experience with devices before criticizing or praising said device. I trust that you do too [with the GSII]?

I saw the video.

I suggest you reinstall your browser- it appears to be linking to a completely different clip.

I have seen a variety of SG2 videos, I know what I was looking for it and I saw it over and over again in every video. Choppiness.

They haven't just 'come much closer' to the iPhone 4, they've matched it (some would say 'completely eclipsed it', but let's not go there)[This is based on my usage and experience with these devices. I have come to the conclusion that they are comparable. You may have a different opinion, & i 100% respect that]. Do you have first-hand experience with the Galaxy S II by any chance?

No but I saw the video.

I would tell you exactly what's hilarious here, but unfortunately it might be seen as an insult so I'm not going to say it. (YOU ARE)

Thank You.

Also, is it the norm on here to bring in an older device to a discussion for comparison?
In that case, let me just state that the GSII is far quicker than the 2G, 3G and 3GS. In fact, the Galaxy S was quicker than the 2G and the 3G too, based on visual perception.

GS2 vs iPhone 5 then.

Because your opinion is always right and is a fact, right?

You like the closed system and icons-on-a-grid design that Apple has, and I respect that.
However, your inability to comprehend that other people just might prefer a more customizable system and an open ecosystem is laughable.

Then LYAO!

As for the closed grid comment:

"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci

"Simplicity is the height of professionalism" - Steve Jobs

I would describe the choppiness in the Android scrolling as:

iPhone 4 = 1080P

SGS2 = 720P

SGS1 = 480P

You guys are almost there tho!

KEEP PUSHING!!