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how to backup data using time machine before updating?

i'm a newbie.. how is time machine supposed to work exactly?

is this right:
1) use time machine to back up all my data to an external HD
2) update the OS to 10.5.3

then lets say something goes TERRIBLY wrong and I have to load 10.5.2 from my install CD again...

then when I hook up my external HD, would it detect that it's a time machine backup automatically and restore everything?? (itunes library, iphoto library, widgets, files, settings, etc)??
if so, that would be awesome:D
 
I have same problem

When I try to delete/rename I get a message saying that I am in read only mode what did you do to allow delete?

Hi, I wanted to post my experience and hopefully save someone a reinstall. After installing 10.5.3 my computer did a couple reboots and then hung forever (15 minutes) on the grey spinny startup screen (very technical, I know).

-I rebooted in verbose mode and saw that directory services was crashing repeatedly and startup would not complete.
-I booted into single user mode and removed (deleted/renamed) this folder:
/Library/Preferences/DirectoryServices
-I rebooted after making this change and all was well.

NOTE: this will delete any configuration you make in directory utility.

Hope this helps someone.

Luke
 
but did you have the coverflow problem BEFORE intalling the update? not everyone was affected by it =/ So if you didn't have it before, I'm 99% sure you wouldn't haev it now (after the update)

ohhh ok..sorry i didn't have the problem before
 
I just love my 30Mb/s line.:D
We'll switch to the new 100Mo/s in a few days. :D
 

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I made the mistake of taking this software update late at night.
Unfortunately I now cannot boot from hard disk, DVD or external drive.
Lots of things to try, I will report back later in the week.

Surely if you hold down C during startup, or hold option during startup, or press cmd-option-shift-delete immediately after power-on you should be able to boot from DVD even if you have a blank or trashed HDD in your machine? If you can't, doesn't it suggest you have a hardware problem?
 
I don't know if this is new to 10.5.3 or not but, if you hold down option and click the Apple menu, "About This Mac" turns into "System Profiler". COOL!
 
my iMac (aug '07) got the 198MB update.
i also have iWork installed, btw, so i don't think that has anything to do with the 10.5.3 update size.
 
I hope that it is not a hardware problem

Surely if you hold down C during startup, or hold option during startup, or press cmd-option-shift-delete immediately after power-on you should be able to boot from DVD even if you have a blank or trashed HDD in your machine? If you can't, doesn't it suggest you have a hardware problem?

I have tried everything that you mention but no luck. In general if something goes wrong you consider the last event to be the cause of the problem and in this instance the last event was the software update so as a first step I have to work out how to decide if the update was the cause of the problem.
 
So I have been a Mac user for the at least 4 years now, but have not updated my PB 1.67 to Leopard yet because a lot of people have complained about it. has this new update fixed enough problems to now justify updating? Anyones opinions would be greatly appreciated.

I would highly recommend it, your machine will run better.
 
I think I can answer this for you as I recently had to restore my GF's iBook using Time Machine..

in the same order that you asked (below)

(1) Yes Time Machine backs up all of your data to an external HD (or another internal one if you're lucky enough to own a MacPro or a PM G5)

(2) if you have to re-install the OS, the best recourse is to boot up from DVD and either choose the option to archive and reinstall or just wipe your HD with a fresh install and bring in your backed out data from TM.. during the install process, you're asked where your TM archive is and you can direct it at a point in time to restore your data, documents etc.. so do this and then manually update your OS from 10.5.x -> 10.5.3

it worked for me anyway.. it restored *everything* including iTunes, photos, emails etc.. I'm glad it worked too as my life would have not been worth living if i failed to restore her college work.

Time Machine saved my life that day ;)

i'm a newbie.. how is time machine supposed to work exactly?

is this right:
1) use time machine to back up all my data to an external HD
2) update the OS to 10.5.3

then lets say something goes TERRIBLY wrong and I have to load 10.5.2 from my install CD again...

then when I hook up my external HD, would it detect that it's a time machine backup automatically and restore everything?? (itunes library, iphoto library, widgets, files, settings, etc)??
if so, that would be awesome:D
 
Sorry if it seems that way. From what you say you should take your Mac to your nearest Apple dealer to be checked.
Thanks, but I'm not driving 60 miles and back, once to drop it off and once more to pick it up. Archive/reinstall may be a 1950's solution that'll take me a day, but it's less of a hassle than sending it to repairs. Even less of a hassle is to use that 3-year AppleCare plan I paid for...!

Anyway, I'm one step closer to solving it. As I mentioned it would freeze on login after reboot. I hard rebooted once -- same deal. On the third attempt, login worked, but then when I brought the machine back from sleep the login prompt froze and I got the perpetual beachball thing again. That's when I realized that on the first two attempts I wasn't around, so the machine had gone to sleep before I attempted to log on. The third time I was there and logged on immediately. So the problem is actually that it freezes when I wake it up from sleep. My energy saver settings are: Screen sleep after 15 mins, computer sleep after 30 mins. Screen saver: Arabesque, set to "Never" (no point as the screen is switched off after 15 mins...)

I thought it might be something with mounting my Lacie network drive, as this is the only, err... 'foreign' object the iMac has dealings with, so I removed that from the Login Items tab under my user account settings. Didn't help.

Seriously, Macs are usually rock solid. I say that having used them since 1984.
Well, admittedly my PC experience is 10 years longer than my Mac experience but I wasn't born yesterday. This is my third Mac since I got my first in 2004, and at my last job (a multimedia agency) we were about 20 PC users and 30 Mac users. And there's nothing in my first or second hand experience that justifies calling the Mac "rock solid". It's solid enough alright, but far from problem free. I've had my fair share of Safari and Finder crashes, networking issues, on all three Macs (and no, ckurowic, no 3rd party crap, no ShapeShifter, no DivX, that's not how I roll), and at my old workplace the loudest profanity outbursts definitely came from the Mac camp. This may have had more to do with Adobe's and Macromedia's crappy MacOS builds than the Mac itself, but still, it was pretty far from the rock solid heaven that life with a Mac is supposed to be if we were to believe the ads.

Not dissing the Mac, I'm fine with either platform, but sometimes a reality check is in order. ;)

As for scaring off switchers, I could never do that job as well as the Mac community does. With a few rare exceptions such as yourself, it's hostile, condescending, isolationist, bitter, aloof, pre-emptively defensive, unhelpful and generally unpleasant. I probably would've bought my first Mac a lot earlier if I hadn't dreaded becoming 'one of them'. The whole "if you're not with us, you're against us" attitude and the preoccupation with mutual validation by exchanging rants about "Winbloze" is very off-putting. Probably because these behaviors are associated with insecurity rather than confidence.
 
It fixed the wireless being crazy slow problem that tech support says was not happening
Cool... if it's the same problem I was having, that is. For some reason the wireless connection would sometimes drop to 6 or even 1 mbps on my iMac while connected to a D-Link draft-N router. My Mac Mini and my PCs were going at full speed but not the iMac. Does that sound like the same crazy slow problem you were having?
 
Thanks, but I'm not driving 60 miles and back, once to drop it off and once more to pick it up. Archive/reinstall may be a 1950's solution that'll take me a day, but it's less of a hassle than sending it to repairs. Even less of a hassle is to use that 3-year AppleCare plan I paid for...!

Anyway, I'm one step closer to solving it. As I mentioned it would freeze on login after reboot. I hard rebooted once -- same deal. On the third attempt, login worked, but then when I brought the machine back from sleep the login prompt froze and I got the perpetual beachball thing again. That's when I realized that on the first two attempts I wasn't around, so the machine had gone to sleep before I attempted to log on. The third time I was there and logged on immediately. So the problem is actually that it freezes when I wake it up from sleep. My energy saver settings are: Screen sleep after 15 mins, computer sleep after 30 mins. Screen saver: Arabesque, set to "Never" (no point as the screen is switched off after 15 mins...)

I thought it might be something with mounting my Lacie network drive, as this is the only, err... 'foreign' object the iMac has dealings with, so I removed that from the Login Items tab under my user account settings. Didn't help.


Well, admittedly my PC experience is 10 years longer than my Mac experience but I wasn't born yesterday. This is my third Mac since I got my first in 2004, and at my last job (a multimedia agency) we were about 20 PC users and 30 Mac users. And there's nothing in my first or second hand experience that justifies calling the Mac "rock solid". It's solid enough alright, but far from problem free. I've had my fair share of Safari and Finder crashes, networking issues, on all three Macs (and no, ckurowic, no 3rd party crap, no ShapeShifter, no DivX, that's not how I roll), and at my old workplace the loudest profanity outbursts definitely came from the Mac camp. This may have had more to do with Adobe's and Macromedia's crappy MacOS builds than the Mac itself, but still, it was pretty far from the rock solid heaven that life with a Mac is supposed to be if we were to believe the ads.

Not dissing the Mac, I'm fine with either platform, but sometimes a reality check is in order. ;)

As for scaring off switchers, I could never do that job as well as the Mac community does. With a few rare exceptions such as yourself, it's hostile, condescending, isolationist, bitter, aloof, pre-emptively defensive, unhelpful and generally unpleasant. I probably would've bought my first Mac a lot earlier if I hadn't dreaded becoming 'one of them'. The whole "if you're not with us, you're against us" attitude and the preoccupation with mutual validation by exchanging rants about "Winbloze" is very off-putting. Probably because these behaviors are associated with insecurity rather than confidence.


Well even I (he who thinks Macs are rock solid) made sure I had a bootable Carbon Copy Clones first. It is so simple on a Mac (not so easy on a PC) . Had anything gone wrong all I would have had to do is boot to the backup fix or restore the other way. I use Firewire 800 and a a bare 1/2TB drive (IDE) connected to a wee box from Granite Digital that makes an IDE bare drive a FireWire one very cheaply. I have tons of cheap bare IDE drives and use this adapter (which also has FW400) to make clones of all Macs I have prior to any major updates. In fact I do an update weekly to all clones which is fast with CCC as it just updates changed files. TM is also running on my main Mac for hourly backups. Always better to be safe than sorry.
 
Well even I (he who thinks Macs are rock solid) made sure I had a bootable Carbon Copy Clones first. It is so simple on a Mac (not so easy on a PC) . Had anything gone wrong all I would have had to do is boot to the backup fix or restore the other way. I use Firewire 800 and a a bare 1/2TB drive (IDE) connected to a wee box from Granite Digital that makes an IDE bare drive a FireWire one very cheaply. I have tons of cheap bare IDE drives and use this adapter (which also has FW400) to make clones of all Macs I have prior to any major updates. In fact I do an update weekly to all clones which is fast with CCC as it just updates changed files. TM is also running on my main Mac for hourly backups. Always better to be safe than sorry.
Better safe then sorry here.

I'm going to have to nuke my drive (preferably from orbit) and start from scratch in 10.5.0 and work my way up. The 10.5.3 Combo updater caused a few too many weird issues on my MacBook.

This is after restoring my machine twice and removing third party services. With all the QA this update got I'm a little surprise to see so many problems.
 
Fixing Mail

Yes I have, the app now launches, but when I click on a mail message, it would crash.

Whats next?

Does Mail.app start for you without the network?

I've run into a similar problem before with mail. I have 4 IMAP accounts and occasionally when I access them outside of Mail.app things crash when I start it later.

My fix has always been to deactivate/disconnect from the network and start Mail.app. Then, once it has started, I set the accounts to be offline, reconnect the network, and take them back online one-by-one. I'll often synchronize that account too. Usually this does the trick for me.
 
Well even I (he who thinks Macs are rock solid) made sure I had a bootable Carbon Copy Clones first. It is so simple on a Mac (not so easy on a PC) . Had anything gone wrong all I would have had to do is boot to the backup fix or restore the other way. I use Firewire 800 and a a bare 1/2TB drive (IDE) connected to a wee box from Granite Digital that makes an IDE bare drive a FireWire one very cheaply. I have tons of cheap bare IDE drives and use this adapter (which also has FW400) to make clones of all Macs I have prior to any major updates. In fact I do an update weekly to all clones which is fast with CCC as it just updates changed files. TM is also running on my main Mac for hourly backups. Always better to be safe than sorry.
Good tip, thanks. Is CCC some third party thing? I googled and something about "Bombich Software" came up.

(IMO it's easy on a PC, depending on OS version of course. Vista Ultimate lets you create a 1:1 copy of the entire computer [boot drive + additional drives] for backup purposes. No such luck if you're on Vista Home or XP).
 
My hotmail synchronisation isn't working anymore with mail.
Yesterday it was working fine, but today it isn't even trying to update my mail.
I have olso a gmail account and this works perfectly...
anybody else had this problem?
 
Good tip, thanks. Is CCC some third party thing? I googled and something about "Bombich Software" came up.

(IMO it's easy on a PC, depending on OS version of course. Vista Ultimate lets you create a 1:1 copy of the entire computer [boot drive + additional drives] for backup purposes. No such luck if you're on Vista Home or XP).
Mike Bombich might as well be Apple itself.

I get most of my paychecks from using his software.
 
Hacked iPhone works with 10.5.3?

Has anybody tried to sync a jailbreaked iPhone (1.1.3+) with the new 10.5.3 Release... I hope, everything is still running smooth. Thanks for any feedback
 
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