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I have an iPad 2 as in the very second model produced. With it stuck on iOS 9.3.5 due to a 32 bit processor and slow 3G, I am looking to upgrade.

It will either be iPad 2017 or IPad 10.5 Pro.
 
Just read the Engadget review of the 10.5"...a little disappointing in the battery dept. None yet on the Pro2 12.9

I was leaning towards the 10.5 (instead of my original intention to get the Pro2 12.9) but the middlin' battery now makes me pause.

This refresh on the whole brings something to the table (esp in terms of storage), but I'm not completely sold on it.

If you have a pro 9.7 or the 12.9 and aren't needing more space, I'd opt out of this refresh.
 
There are dozens of accessories on the market that will allow the use of a stylus (e.g., Wacom), a 120hz monitor (e.g., pretty much any gaming monitor) for the Mac, or any of hundreds of cameras available. However, I am not aware of any way whatsoever to get certain software development tools onto the iPad.

Indeed, the only way to use an iPad for development is to remote-access another proper computer - whether through ssh or a gui-based software. I would argue that is not really used the iPad for development through, as the development is happening on another computer and the iPad is just a dumb terminal in that situation.

Basically, I can't think of any point of view where someone can't get work done on a Mac, or that a Mac isn't a real computer. It might not be the most optimal tool, and it might require cumbersome accessories that make it's use not ideal; but it can work in every situation. On the flip side, there are many situations where the iPad cannot be used to get work done under any circumstance because there are no accessories or software to get around it's inherent limitations.

Yes agree. The Mac is a truck. It is not elegant, or optimal but it gets the job done.

Developers need trucks if they want to make the next best software. Developers are digital carpenters.

But for everyone else, who does not necessarily need a truck to get their daily work done, lawyers, doctors, etc... there are many many professionals who do will not need a Mac. iOS 11 is an inflection point.
 
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If it's being called -- and marketed -- as a computer, then why is it OK to have a touch screen when a laptop (or iMac, for that matter) isn't?

Not trying to agitate anyone, just truly wondering.

(Yes, I know one it's a tablet... but so is a SurfacePro)
SurfacePro doesn't really work well as a tablet from my own personal experience. its a laptop that has a touch screen. Where as the iPad Pro is a tablet with additional input options keyboard/pencil.
 
As with many on this forum, I feel somewhat conflicted about buying the new iPad Pro. It looks like a great device, and iOS11 will make it even better. However, the Verge got it right....if I am going to make this my main computer, then I probably should get 256GB storage.....not because I need that much, but because 64GB is just too small. Then, when I add the Apple keyboard and pencil, I am looking at $1,000. If this is my main device, I will probably upgrade every 3 years or so, which is typical for iOS devices. That's $333 per year.

On the other hand, I could purchase the base model MBP for $1299 (granted it only has 128 GB storage, but that would be fine for me). However, I would probably upgrade on a 5 year cycle because laptops are just not evolving as fast as mobile devices. The OS, technology, and applications for laptops are more mature then for mobile devices. Anyway, that's $260 per year.

So, the annual cost is roughly the same.....maybe a small premium to move to an iPad as a primary device. What I really need to decide is how I want to interface with my primary device. Touch First or Keyboard/Mouse. If the answer is that I will primarily use the Apple smart keyboard on the iPad for input, then I should probably just get the MBP and buy a device with an OS designed for keyboard/mouse. On the other hand, if I am one of those unique individuals that has a use pattern that frequently and seamlessly moves from touch to pencil to keyboard input methods, then the versatility of the iPad Pro makes more sense.

My problem is that I really don't know if I fit into this category of user. If I am going to just bang away on the Apple smart keyboard, then moving to the iPad seems pointless. I really won't know until I try out the new iPad pro with iOS 11. Unfortunately, testing it at the Apple store probably won't give me enough real world experience to know for sure....so, it's a leap of faith.

All very good points, but I have just found that macOS is getting a little stale/boring in my opinion. I see the iPad and iOS having a more prominent future in Apple's roadmap and will therefore see greater resources/features in the future.
 
If it's being called -- and marketed -- as a computer, then why is it OK to have a touch screen when a laptop (or iMac, for that matter) isn't?

Not trying to agitate anyone, just truly wondering.

(Yes, I know one it's a tablet... but so is a SurfacePro)

The official excuse was that a laptop screen, being usually in vertical position, would not be convenient to use while extending your hand (too tedious).

My opinion is that macOS is not ready for a touch screen. It would take a few but important UI changes/redesigns for this.

For what is worth, though, this iPad is a seriously good tablet.
 
I think this is the most exciting the iPad has been since the original iPad came out, but it has everything to do with iOS 11. The 10.5 inch iPad Pro just happens to be a good device that can take advantage of the new features. I'm tempted to buy one, it may do everything I currently use my MacBook for.
 
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I think this is the most exciting the iPad has been since the original iPad came out, but it has everything to do with iOS 11. The 10.5 inch iPad Pro just happens to be a good device that can take advantage of the new features. I'm tempted to buy one, it may do everything I currently use my MacBook for.

This is the perfect post and the Mindset Apple wants you to have. You see the potential the new iPads have and the expansion with iOS 11. And now your logic has shifted away from your MacBook towards the new iPad and how it can ultimately replace your laptop. This is where Apple's vision is leading with the iPad based off your post.
 
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As a 9.7 Pro user I’m simply not tempted to buy this. It’s just not big enough updates. If I were using an Air 2 it’d be a different story. I’ll hang in to my 9.7 until the really cool edgeless iPads in 2018.
 
Just read the Engadget review of the 10.5"...a little disappointing in the battery dept. None yet on the Pro2 12.9

I was leaning towards the 10.5 (instead of my original intention to get the Pro2 12.9) but the middlin' battery now makes me pause.

This refresh on the whole brings something to the table (esp in terms of storage), but I'm not completely sold on it.

If you have a pro 9.7 or the 12.9 and aren't needing more space, I'd opt out of this refresh.

Uh, shouldn't the 10.5 have the same battery as the 12.9? Could have sworn Apple had said it was the same, and others have also said so.

Guess real world tests give a more accurate indicator. I sure hope the 10.5 isn't worse. I had the original 12 inch, and decided to go with the 10.5 due to the smaller bezel and in my opinion the perfect balance (of screen size/ bezel and weight).

But if the battery is actually worse, then that will make it a pretty substantial downgrade :/
 
TL;DR (after initial review on this thread) which irritated me so I'm commenting (relieving stress). I am waiting on arrival of a 12.9" so I sure don't want them to discontinue it in the near future. And I am upgrading from a 9.7" IPP whether they advise or not, should arrive 6/19. I dont upgrade my iphone until I cant update it any more. But I use my iPad most of the day. Some photo editing, some just pure entertainment, i.e. mostly browsing never gaming. Upgrading my 9.7" IPP now simply because I want to! I dont feel it will totally replace my mbp for some things yet but am hoping I never have to replace my 2015 so I can plan on always upgrading just one device, the iPad at every worthwhile launch.
 
It is interesting that the surface has been a full OS in a tablet for multiple years, yet, when reviewers tackle the new ipad pro, they compare it to Galaxy Tab and the like, yet keep their mouths shut about the surface tablets. When Apple gets within sniffing distance of running a full OS on a tablet, everyone wets themselves. Yet, this is being done, for less money, today. Apple is just not being managed well enough to innovate consistently and meaningfully enough across its entire product line.
 
Reserved a 10.5 and 12.9 for collection tomorrow. Hadn't planned on picking up a 10.5 but changed my mind after reading the reviews as I always felt the 9.7 screen was just a little too cramped. Going to stick with the 10.5 as my daily driver/travel companion and the 12.9 for all my photo editing and movie consumption in the house.
The mini 4 just felt a little too small when I was away on vacation last week so looks like I'll have 3 iPads up for sale now.
 
Uh, shouldn't the 10.5 have the same battery as the 12.9? Could have sworn Apple had said it was the same, and others have also said so.

Guess real world tests give a more accurate indicator. I sure hope the 10.5 isn't worse. I had the original 12 inch, and decided to go with the 10.5 due to the smaller bezel and in my opinion the perfect balance (of screen size/ bezel and weight).

But if the battery is actually worse, then that will make it a pretty substantial downgrade :/
TechCrunch reported 12-15 hours with regular mixed use, the Verge 8-9, Engadget 9-10 in testing and "days" in regular use.

Just feel like people are looking for excuses here.
 
Two different operating systems: imagine using an iPad with a mouse and using macOS with your fingers, it would be a horrible experience.
Yes, but please start thinking a bit: in Desktop-Mode the UI of the app is like macOS, in Touch-Mode the UI of the App is like iOS
 
Uh, shouldn't the 10.5 have the same battery as the 12.9? Could have sworn Apple had said it was the same, and others have also said so.

Guess real world tests give a more accurate indicator. I sure hope the 10.5 isn't worse. I had the original 12 inch, and decided to go with the 10.5 due to the smaller bezel and in my opinion the perfect balance (of screen size/ bezel and weight).

But if the battery is actually worse, then that will make it a pretty substantial downgrade :/

The 10.5 battery life is better than the crappy one they saddled the Pro 9.7 with, but not a full step foward. Read the Engadget review on the 10.5

The 12.9 has a bigger battery. This was always the case.
 
If I am going to just bang away on the Apple smart keyboard, then moving to the iPad seems pointless. I really won't know until I try out the new iPad pro with iOS 11. Unfortunately, testing it at the Apple store probably won't give me enough real world experience to know for sure....so, it's a leap of faith.
I am always stunned by the inability of posters here to analyse and project their needs into a buying decision. This is a thoughtful post, but it shows the problem.
 
TechCrunch reported 12-15 hours with regular mixed use, the Verge 8-9, Engadget 9-10 in testing and "days" in regular use.

Just feel like people are looking for excuses here.

Ah thanks for letting me know. Guess I should just read the reviews!

The 10.5 honestly is what I always wanted. I love my iPad Pro 12 inch, but I've always felt the screen was too big. Like it would actually go outside my field of vision when lying in bed and watching videos.

I'm a petite woman though, so maybe my smaller size skews that. But at least for me, I really like the smaller bezel and the balance they found with the screen size on the 10.5.

Just would hate it if battery was much worse then what I had before (I got the very original iPad Pro).

I think it should be fine, given I don't run programs or apps on it, and use it mostly for browsing and videos (like YouTube or Netflix).


The 10.5 battery life is better than the crappy one they saddled the Pro 9.7 with, but not a full step foward. Read the Engadget review on the 10.5

The 12.9 has a bigger battery. This was always the case.

Guess it's my fault for not looking into the specs before buying. I'm an idiot. But I could have sworn Apple said both had the same 10 hour battery. So I just assumed they would be similar.

I have the original iPad Pro (the one from 2 years ago) that was 12 inch. Do you think the battery in the 10.5 will be substantially worse?

Gonna go read reviews myself. Should have done that before blindly buying this :/

Lesson learned
 
I've thought about this a lot since last week, and here are my conclusions:
1. For work, no possible way I could use an ipad. First and foremost, I need windows for specific apps. But even putting that aside, I run multiple monitors, use multiple optical drives, and typically have several instances of office apps and acrobat open at once. So, not even close.
2. For personal use, I think I *could* do iPad only in the sense that everything I do can be accomplished with some app in iOS. But IMO, whether or not I can is the wrong question. The better question is whether or not it would be better than macOS, and I can't see how it would be. Cost-wise, the iPad is a little cheaper, but as noted in other posts, not by much anymore. Bulk-wise, an iPad Pro with attached keyboard is not much slimmer than a MacBook. So the main question is touch interface vs keyboard and mouse/trackpad, which to me is no question at all: mouse/keyboard is far faster, easier, and more comfortable.

So if it works for you, god bless. As for me, I think I *could*, but it'd be a downgrade in experience with minimal benefit.
 
Is it just me, or are these reviewers getting worse at their job?

I watched a few reviews and literally learned nothing beyond the advertised features and overused buzzwords. "The bezels are smaller". "There are four speakers". "Its buttery smooth". Or the always useless... "The newest iPad is Apples best iPad yet".

I agree--but the real sin is the idea that that value of the ipad is whether or not it can replace a computer. For many users it will be a great complimentary device.
 
I love the 13" and often think about getting one as a complete replacement of my notebook that I carry everywhere with me, and move every single thing I do to evernote. But that would be the only reason I would use it. I can't replace my MBP its just too versatile.
 
With iOS 11, iPad Pro actually has the potential of replacing laptops for many (not all).
Files app is a game changer.
I would argue users needing a file look up will have additional problems. Its a step in the right direction.
Uncertain how the dock helps anyone, but whatever.
 
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