So it is still only using 1 core? That core deals with kernel and scrolling while the GPU handles all the images? Isn't that what was happening before? And how exactly is that a "bandaid"? Hasn't hardware acceleration like that been used for several years now because it is more efficient?
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10.8 GM - lag improvements?
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So it is still only using 1 core? That core deals with kernel and scrolling while the GPU handles all the images? Isn't that what was happening before? And how exactly is that a "bandaid"? Hasn't hardware acceleration like that been used for several years now because it is more efficient?
LOL @ all these rMBP owners trying so desperately to validate their purchases. It's like you guys seriously think you're better or smarter than everyone else because you have a high tolerance for UI lag.
Have you guys ever tried Windows Vista? You'd absolutely love it!
Have you guys ever tried Windows Vista? You'd absolutely love it!
LOL @ all these rMBP owners trying so desperately to validate their purchases. It's like you guys seriously think you're better or smarter than everyone else because you have a high tolerance for UI lag.
Have you guys ever tried Windows Vista? You'd absolutely love it!
How are we trying to justify anything? It's a brand new product that will be getting a free upgrade to a brand new OS that was built around the technology. LOL at all these people who think just because this is a new Apple device it should be 100% problem free. I could **** out a golden turd for some of you people and you would compalin that it wasn't shiny enough. I don't have to justify any purchase. I am perfectly happy with my purchase. Jesus Christ. Get over yourself. There is NOTHING wrong with the hardware. It will run perfect with it's native resolution. It is the scaled resolutions that are needing some tweaking. I hardly see how that is such a big deal. You watch. Within the next month all this lag BS will be a thing of the past.
I don't have a problem believing that Mountain Lion offers a much smoother experience, but is Apple still using software "tricks" to make that possible on the rMBP?
Now your cool!
Just because you love when Apple fails...
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Its gonna be so awesome when my RMBP arrives !
It's using CPU threads to achieve the smooth scrolling of the classic MBP. So the rMBP doesn't have as much available CPU power as the cMBP.
Maybe? LOL. I have 16GB of RAM in my machine for a reason.
The bottom line is that the #1 thing I've always liked about the Apple experience is the smoothness. My first Apple product was the iPhone 4, and the only reason I bought that instead of an Android was because of the smooth UI. I was a pretty hardcore PC gamer at the time and had an aversion to anything Apple. That iOS smoothness though... I just had to have it. The "Gingerbread jank" looked like amateur freeware by comparison. I bought an iPhone, then an iPad, then an iMac. I was always blown away by the seemingly magical smoothness of the UI's during flashy animations.
So now we have a $2200 notebook that doesn't do the one thing that's always set Apple apart to me. I think it's pretty reasonable for people to be upset about it. This isn't a netbook we're talking about here. I love the retina screen and I especially love the thinness and light weight (omg), but I don't want to beta test new tech and put up with jankiness that may or may not be fixed by a software update and may or may not throttle my CPU usage and may or may not burn down my battery faster. I think that's perfectly reasonable, especially considering the price of the machine in question. The only people being unreasonable in this thread are the apologists telling everyone to get over it and pretend that it doesn't matter or doesn't exist. To some people it absolutely matters. To some people there is nothing else that could possibly matter more.
NMF, have you installed ML?
And i dont understand why the point of contention is facebook and the web. You couldve gotten an ipad to do that stuff and saved thousands.
Why arent people discussing rendering times, maya performance, finalcut, video compression, etc.. this thing is a hardcore desktop replacement powerhouse. Its like buying a brand new car and everyone is talking about how smooth the seats pull back but havent even twisted the key yet.
Every other post is about web images or facebook. come on.
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by the way,
isnt this being a little dramatic? think about it
And i dont understand why the point of contention is facebook and the web. You couldve gotten an ipad to do that stuff and saved thousands.
Why arent people discussing rendering times, maya performance, finalcut, video compression, etc.. this thing is a hardcore desktop replacement powerhouse. Its like buying a brand new car and everyone is talking about how smooth the seats pull back but havent even twisted the key yet.
Every other post is about web images or facebook. come on.
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by the way,
isnt this being a little dramatic? think about it
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Well that's concerning.
I also note your post has been missed in favour of bickering. Nice job forum users.
No? I don't care how fast it can render stuff in Maya, most of my use is still surfing the web and the lag absolutely drives me crazy. I do have an iPad and love how smooth it is -- and when I'm lying in bed it's great! Most of the time I'm still at my desk though and I can't have any jank. And no, I don't have ML. I'm not a dev and I don't have a rMBP. I returned it and got a MacBook Air. Then I returned that and got a cMBP.
I'm content with my machine now and plan on making it work for a year while I wait for the Haswell rMBP's.It's weird arguing about this on MacRumors because I used to have the same arguments with Android folk about how janky that OS used to be. "But it has a quad-core CPU and Tegra 40,000 graphics and I can run Call of Duty from a micro-SD card while transferring photos over bluetooth!" That's nice, but it still craps all over the itself when I scroll through my email inbox. Who cares how much horsepower a machine has if it can't even handle the most basic functional tasks? I just can't deal with that, especially not from a $2200+ machine.
I was kind of just ignoring it honestly. From what I am understanding he is saying the video doesn't continue to play smoothly while minimizing or maximizing . I wouldn't be using quick time in the first place honestly.
I just installed ML GM and here are some of my observations:
Model: 2.3ghz/8gb/256gb
Resolution: 1920x1200
Test site: theverge.com
Note these observations are all with integrated only (didn't bother testing discrete, doubt many people will swap to discrete just to browse anyway)
On Lion, I had lag on both Safari and Chrome (release), with Safari being slightly better.
On ML GM, Safari definitely shows big improvement, though still not perfect. But it is good enough for me that I plan on keeping the machine.
All versions of Chrome (release/beta/canary) are still just as bad as on Lion.
I prefer to use Chrome on a daily basis (since all my machines run Chrome and have bookmarks/extensions synced) but the lag is so bad that I'll probably end up using Safari full time. Anyone know of a NoScripts type of extension for Safari?
Also, in regards to full screen swiping/expose/mission control:
No change in lag between Lion and ML GM that I can see. All three features still stutters at times (expose being the worst), but it is bearable.
Lag problems aside, I am having problems with sound playback in ML GM. Any mp3s I play skips/stutters every few seconds (both on iTunes and Quicktime). Hard to describe but it sounds like garbled popping noise and it is definitely noticeable. Any other ML GM users experiencing this problem?
Model: 2.3ghz/8gb/256gb
Resolution: 1920x1200
Test site: theverge.com
Note these observations are all with integrated only (didn't bother testing discrete, doubt many people will swap to discrete just to browse anyway)
On Lion, I had lag on both Safari and Chrome (release), with Safari being slightly better.
On ML GM, Safari definitely shows big improvement, though still not perfect. But it is good enough for me that I plan on keeping the machine.
All versions of Chrome (release/beta/canary) are still just as bad as on Lion.
I prefer to use Chrome on a daily basis (since all my machines run Chrome and have bookmarks/extensions synced) but the lag is so bad that I'll probably end up using Safari full time. Anyone know of a NoScripts type of extension for Safari?
Also, in regards to full screen swiping/expose/mission control:
No change in lag between Lion and ML GM that I can see. All three features still stutters at times (expose being the worst), but it is bearable.
Lag problems aside, I am having problems with sound playback in ML GM. Any mp3s I play skips/stutters every few seconds (both on iTunes and Quicktime). Hard to describe but it sounds like garbled popping noise and it is definitely noticeable. Any other ML GM users experiencing this problem?
I'm saying this isn't a band-aid but an ingenious permanent solution. Safari's performance is stunning to say the least. Yes some crappy programmed pages might not work, like facebook, but that's no longer Apple's problem. Their implementation is looking very nice, very smooth, very fast.
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I never said it was a band-aid, quite the contrary. I also said having the tasks split up and independent of each other lets the OS assign those tasks to whatever threads are available. Plus with the added GPU hardware acceleration the scrolling is actually jaw dropping. I know many say this in jest, but I'm not jesting now:
Safari is much much much faster.
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LOL @ all these rMBP owners trying so desperately to validate their purchases. It's like you guys seriously think you're better or smarter than everyone else because you have a high tolerance for UI lag.
Have you guys ever tried Windows Vista? You'd absolutely love it!
There is virtually no more UI lag whatsoever. The only two exceptions are I see a tiny bit in Mission Control when running over a dozen apps simultaneously, and Textedit lags in rendering. Everything else is flawless.
I'm glad my cMBP doesn't need this "ingenious permanent" band-aid scrolling solution. My cMBP can handle those "crappy programmed pages" with no CPU assistance.
Where exactly is that GPU hardware acceleration? Do you mean where the Apple engineers applied the "hardware band-aid" by overclocking the video card?
Software band-aid + hardware band-aid = half-baked product.
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People who actually do work on the computer will care.
They don't want to know that tiny little things like browser scrolling is going to slow down every other process because the computer doesn't have enough horsepower to keep up with basic tasks.
Half-backed product that performs on webpages just as good as does the cMBP but happens to have quadruple the amount of pixels making everything looks much richer, and making the cMBP look like turds. I'm happy with that, and mean no disrespect to cMBP owners, but the truth is their screens simply aren't even in the same league.
Yes, not all websites are optimized, but those that are, well this icon's pretty good for them:
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Have you actually worked on one of these models with the ML GM on it? I have and there are no horsepower issues.
are you really that clueless?
your machine is hardly doing any work at all, so yes it doesn't need as much power behind it. To help things be faster, letting the GPU do some of the work now is what your "band-aid" is... letting the actual GPU do some of the graphics work like it should be instead of just the CPU.