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10-Year-Old Unlocks Face ID on His Mother's iPhone X as Questionable Mask Spoofing Surfaces
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This doesn't mean they can' use passcode to train it. The ACTUAL STORY says it took them "tries" to unlock, specifically 6 tries on one of the FaceID unlock attempts.
They are also seemingly doing it immediately after registering a face, again making it less than a real world scenario.
Again, you're saying they are credible and the FaceID tech is flawed. Those are your opinions and not based on any facts or real world scenarios. This video doesn't even show the setup process...only shows that 2 related faces unlock the phone. Who cares.
It is as secure or more secure than Touch ID. Touch ID can be spoofed with some tape rubber gloves. The security level of a given security metric is how good is it at stopping people with out attempts to circumvent / hack the system with the knowledge of the user or theft of id of the user. If I have your print I have your phone the end. If I have your passcode I have your phone. I am not making excuses for Face ID but I want to make clear this is not a compromised security this is initial hacking while knowing the passcode so true security was over at that moment.
The more interesting security flaw is twins. This is a real security threat as it is fooled with out knowing the passcode or training attempts. If you have a twin face ID may be bad for you.
That is also in the white paper.
Read the security white paper it is about 7 or 8 pages long and it describes how Face ID works. The fact I can find exploits does not make it less or more secure.
As a devoted Apple user and lover of technology, I must say that Face ID isn't quite there yet. Close, but not there. I've done the trick to train it inside normally, and then outside in bright light at a slightly lower angle when going through the two rounds of setup. I've found that it's a lot faster and accurate for me when I have eye detection turned off. I often pick up my phone from my desk when I see a notification come in out of the corner of my eye, and picking up to swipe just isn't as natural as Touch ID. Before I could just hit the button on the desk and it would pop open. Now it wants me to pick it up, look at it from a certain angle and distance, and then fail half the time because I'm not holding it right.
Sometimes I wonder if it's a problem with my face. I have a dense beard and glasses. Every morning it refuses to unlock with my face, even this morning after I had turned off the eye detection requirement. It just seems a bit finicky. Maybe I need to set it up again. And like I said, it has been better in the last day since turning off eye detection. Otherwise this is the best phone I have ever used.
Also you should do yourself a favor and buy the Apple leather case. You're already spending $1000-1150 on a phone, so why not? It feels like a dream and I love the new colors they added. It feels very premium and upgraded over the first one I used on my 6 Plus, with color matched aluminum buttons with chamfered edges and a tighter fit.
Sometimes I wonder if it's a problem with my face. I have a dense beard and glasses. Every morning it refuses to unlock with my face, even this morning after I had turned off the eye detection requirement. It just seems a bit finicky. Maybe I need to set it up again. And like I said, it has been better in the last day since turning off eye detection. Otherwise this is the best phone I have ever used.
Also you should do yourself a favor and buy the Apple leather case. You're already spending $1000-1150 on a phone, so why not? It feels like a dream and I love the new colors they added. It feels very premium and upgraded over the first one I used on my 6 Plus, with color matched aluminum buttons with chamfered edges and a tighter fit.
Something along these lines was discussed on the latest ATP podcast.
The working theory was that if someone in a family has a similar enough facial structure/facial features to the person who originally set up Face ID and they know the passcode to unlock the phone, the system will capture that person's facial features when they successfully unlock the phone and then it will add information from those captures to the expanding "profile" of the original face because it thinks it's gathering additional datapoints from the face of the person who set up Face ID. However, it appears that the system is smart enough to disregard a face if it doesn't have commonality with the original person who set up Face ID.
My guess is that if it were possible to see the Face ID profile that's saved in this lady's phone, we would see a hybrid of her face and her son's face. He's unlocked the phone successfully with the passcode many times, I suspect; and because their faces are similar enough, the system has added aspects of his facial features to the expanding profile of who it will recognize. Now, if this woman's husband or significant other unlocked the phone with her passcode a hundred times, my assumption is that the system would disregard his face every time because it doesn't have enough in common with her face.
The working theory was that if someone in a family has a similar enough facial structure/facial features to the person who originally set up Face ID and they know the passcode to unlock the phone, the system will capture that person's facial features when they successfully unlock the phone and then it will add information from those captures to the expanding "profile" of the original face because it thinks it's gathering additional datapoints from the face of the person who set up Face ID. However, it appears that the system is smart enough to disregard a face if it doesn't have commonality with the original person who set up Face ID.
My guess is that if it were possible to see the Face ID profile that's saved in this lady's phone, we would see a hybrid of her face and her son's face. He's unlocked the phone successfully with the passcode many times, I suspect; and because their faces are similar enough, the system has added aspects of his facial features to the expanding profile of who it will recognize. Now, if this woman's husband or significant other unlocked the phone with her passcode a hundred times, my assumption is that the system would disregard his face every time because it doesn't have enough in common with her face.
Based on the son "dabbing", the mother's gleeful expression and their shared glance at the end, this video seems incredibly scripted. Likely, this video was created solely as an attempt to go viral. "The first one's to trick FaceID." Seems like a giant crock of BS.
Easy to replicate
setup Face ID
make sure it works for you
now pass to sibling/child, it will fail to unlock.
have them hold the phone and put in passcode
now, they can unlock with Face ID.
The only caveat is that they have to at least somewhat resemble you so that the iPhone temporarily adds their face scan as additional data to the initial scan
This is detailed in the Face ID white paper.
If I pay 2000 (Canadian) it better work as advertised, Apple claims 1 in a million chance, epic fail just admit it
I wanna know what people are doing to fail Face ID so much. I've only had my phone for a couple of days, but it hasn't failed to unlock on any occasion for me and I've used it indoors and outdoors, in the dark and light.
There is a clear resemblance between mom and the little one. But, the system should be far more precise. Again, first generation product with first generation problems. I hope they fix this...
By the way, I don't think the video is faked. I suspect we'll hear more stories like this one.
By the way, I don't think the video is faked. I suspect we'll hear more stories like this one.
Yeah ok, FaceId need some chinks to be worked upon. There is also a freaking passcode. If you're so paranoid delete the faceid and set up a passcode. Sheesh, the gloom and doom all around because FaceId needs a software update perhaps is unbelievable. The funniest ones are ones who are trying to justify why they didn't buy the phone. Lmao..
Setup of moms Face ID is in question here.
There is a time where someone sets up the face and it doesn’t detect it fully, it leaves few or even 1/3 of the green lines off, asking you if you want to complete the process "as is". This is when similiar faces, parents or siblings can do the trick.
I’ve done it, and it’s exactly as it was shown here, but I rescaned my face completely, and opened it at least 10 Times, and it doesn't work on the other people that ware able to open it before.
There is a time where someone sets up the face and it doesn’t detect it fully, it leaves few or even 1/3 of the green lines off, asking you if you want to complete the process "as is". This is when similiar faces, parents or siblings can do the trick.
I’ve done it, and it’s exactly as it was shown here, but I rescaned my face completely, and opened it at least 10 Times, and it doesn't work on the other people that ware able to open it before.
Lol, negative. Wait until she goes asleep.
Unless attention is off, FaceID is more secure in this instance.
I didn't know typing out a password enabled the use of Apple Pay, I thought it required biometric ID. Either way, typing all that out would still be faster than most chip card readers I have encountered...
What do you think will happen when your head is wet? Scroll to 3:40 if you want to know.
That’s never going to happen. You can even quote me if you desire.
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Nah I wouldn’t want to go backwards