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FaceID learns.. If your kid has your passcode anyways, don't be surprised that they can unlock your phone. Whether by FaceID or by the passcode.

Show me a hack that goes from enrolling a face to hacking it within the 5 tries and 48 hours allowed, and I'll be shocked.
 
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They should never have removed Touch ID, face ID is good but it should have been an option in addition to Touch ID not replaced outright.
There are flaws in face ID, obviously, that’s to be expected it’s first gen tech, Apples mistake here is offering no alternative on the X.
 
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This isn't that Apple has created a defective FaceID. It is that Apple is trying to solve a hugely complex computational problem locally on a mobile phone with limited input*. I am sure FaceID will work most of the time for most users, but there is no way in Hades it could ever be perfect, particularly IDing accurately people who have similar faces even as judged by our most sophisticated visual perceptual network: the brain. The real question is whether the occasional error is a security risk or an inconvenience. It seems like most people are having a positive experience, so perhaps it is OK.

*The number of infra-red dots does not matter so much as how much each dot captures information that is not captured by adjacent dots, so Apple can drone on about how many dots there are, but in doing so they are not really quantifying the actual amount of information made available to the FaceID system.
 
Or waiting for someone to fall asleep..
The massive hate for Face ID is just loving this whole story. They all forget how easy it is to break Touch ID.
I admit there are flaws and it is not perfect it is 100% gen 1 tech. I have many more failures than I ever had with Touch ID 2. The reason is Touch ID 2 was what 8 years or more in the making if you figure they had it brewing when they shipped Touch ID 1. So yeah of course that is going to be the best of the best. They are no longer developing it. They moved on well over a year ago to go all Face ID so the game is over
 
Regardless if true or not, in practical real world usuage, Face ID is not more secure than Touch ID. Facts.

My wife is an identical triplet. This is something that has bugged me since the beginning. Apple tried to act like it's more secure; there was always exceptions.
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Should be this:
You forgot identical siblings.
 
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These iPhone spoofing videos are getting really annoying.

You can easily fool the phone into accepting 2 faces by have each face scanned during the 2 scan process when setting up the phone. Unless your a complete idiot, that probably wont happen.

So basically mommy is just plain stupid.

My bet is that you could do the same thing with a mask.
 
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When Face ID was first introduced as a feature on the X, I posted that I would not buy the X or use Face ID because I did not trust it. Took a lot of heat for making those comments. As time goes by and the phone is used by more people we are finding out the technology is not as secure as everyone WANTED it to be.

Now we are getting all kinds of excuses like "the phone was not trained properly", "the instances of this happening are rare and one in a million", etc. It's a great idea, but I just don't think it's as foolproof or secure as it should be.
 
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The son has similar eyes, lips, and chin. Guessing he has enough in common with his mother that the phone unlocked. Willing to bet it may work for my dad since we look a lot alike.
 
And, what's the whole story?
I'm just not buying these stories as they are presented. I don't believe that guy made a mask, then unlocked his iPhone that was registered with his face. Just as simple as that (even though it wasn't really that simple since it took him a week to make the mask!) I believe there is more to it.
As for the kid...that one is a little more believable...but, I still think there is more to it than that.
People have done much crazier things than that for their 15 minutes. o_O
 
I'm just not buying these stories as they are presented. I don't believe that guy made a mask, then unlocked his iPhone that was registered with his face. Just as simple as that (even though it wasn't really that simple since it took him a week to make the mask!) I believe there is more to it.
As for the kid...that one is a little more believable...but, I still think there is more to it than that.
People have done much crazier things than that for their 15 minutes. o_O

Multiple people have already come out and said that if you scan 2 faces during he setup process, you can trick the phone into unlocking with 2 faces.
 
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So basically mommy is just plain stupid.

She's getting a bunch of YouTube views. I think that she's pretty smart. Do the whole thing end-to-end. Reset the phone. Scan your face, then try it with Junior. If Junior fails, don't let him type in the passcode.

I can't believe (actually, I can) that everyone is passing judgement on the basis of one person's incomplete YT video.
 
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I'm just not buying these stories as they are presented. I don't believe that guy made a mask, then unlocked his iPhone that was registered with his face. Just as simple as that (even though it wasn't really that simple since it took him a week to make the mask!) I believe there is more to it.
As for the kid...that one is a little more believable...but, I still think there is more to it than that.
People have done much crazier things than that for their 15 minutes. o_O
Only one face can be registered, and two people unlocked the device, on camera. No tricks. What else is there to understand about that. The mum and son are totally credible. The FaceID technology is flawed.
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The appear credible and you proclaim the demo is not fake? How do you know?

People like attention. Look how determined she is to prove it doesn't work and look at the moron son dab at the end.

Again, they don't show the setup process so it's immediately not credible based on having zero context for the video.

In the "story," it actually says, "It worked again on his sixth try" meaning they entered a passcode by definition on that attempt bc it only allows 5 tries without passcode.
Only one face can be registered, two people unlocked the device. That shouldn't be possible. Their faces are completely different, she's got an oval head, he has a round head.
 
Good points. I was picking up on the point that the initial training was done in poor light, and retraining in good light stopped the kid from unlocking. I’m not an engineer that’s familiar with such a complex system, I don’t know if there’s anything else going on besides the IR camera.
To be fair, I don't know the technology completely myself. :)
 
IRL no one that has tried it has unlocked my phone yet. The reality is FaceID for consumer purposes is amazeballs.

Oh, and now I have a belkin stand on my desk at work to help with the laid flat problem, it has the ultra cool side effect that when a notification comes in I feel like I have super powers when I look over at my phone and it magically shows me the notification. That is seriously satifisfying.
 
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TouchID should remain for a few more years, until FaceID gets its act together.

Technically, if the iPhone 8 is not discontinued, it will have touch ID for the next few years, given it could see five years of iOS support, but technically that would mean it would have four years remaining of iOS. And who knows what could happen in that amount of time.
 
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