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I see the argument for getting rid of the 11” iPad Pro since it’s so similar to the current Air, but I think it would be a better idea to add more Pro features to differentiate them.

Holding an iPad Air now, I can’t say that I’d want a tablet that’s larger than this.
Personally I'm thinking the Pro 11" is being ditched to make room in the lineup for the rumoured folding iPad. That explains why OLED is still being talked about even though we're about to see mini LED introduced. A folding iPad would be a high end device, with a focus on compactness for travelling with (which is basically where the iPP 11 is right now). Eventually the Air can pick up the extra features missing from the 11" Pro, maybe even taking on the whole design and passing down the 10.9" chassis to the entry level iPad.
 
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Smoothing the current waveform typically causes nasty color shift, too.
Yeah, that too. Of course it isn’t the smoothing that’s the problem, it’s that the LED has a slightly different spectrum at different currents and a PWM ensure that it’s always driven at max current. I’m not sure it’s as much of a problem with the backlight LEDs as it is with OLED though. I think the backlight is white, which is usually a phosphor coat so I think they may be less sensitive to shifts in the diode emission spectrum.

I don’t have a problem with OLED myself, so I’m not sure I’d notice the PWM, but I don’t hear people complain about the LCD models as much. It’s possible Apple does filter the drive to their backlight module... Replicating that a thousand times might get tricky though.
 
I’m not sure the 11” Pro is all that popular, let alone far too popular to drop, though you may well be right. Maybe it’s not getting the miniLED display so there’s just no chatter. It could be a simple refresh of the 2020 with a new SoC.

But now that the Air is much closer to the Pro, I wouldn’t be all that surprised if they did drop the 11” Pro. I guess the question is whether there’s room for both in the lineup.

At 256GB it’s $749 vs. $899 for the Air vs the Pro; that’s really not much price difference. The difference in features is also minimal (but rather nice!).

It would definitely disappoint some 11” iPad Pro users who want a new one if it were discontinued, but a fair percentage would buy the Air; that’s already happening. Others will move up to the 12.9” to keep the feature set.
You mean, like Apple dropped the 13MBP because it is so close to the MBA ?
 
Even with my new M1 Mac Mini, my iPad Pro is still my favorite computer I have ever owned. I look forward to a new M1 iPad Pro with hopefuly more functionality on the software side later this year. Touch and pencil support, along with better cameras are modern computing inputs that are hard to give up on. A M1 MacBook still feels like a downgrade.
It will be interesting to see how the M1 line is incorporated into future products. I doubt we'll see an M1 iPad near term for several reasons:

1. Apple will probably focus on getting the M1 i to the Mac lineup and transitioning to it
2. The M1 likely is more expensive than an A chip so putting it into an Ipad would raise its costs
3. An M1 based iPad Pro and A chip based other model iPads would either result in the furtehr dividing what software will run on what devices or developers not adding features or developing for the M1 unless it is a huge success

Will tehy go to M chip iPads? My guess is yes at some point but I do not think that is a near term action. Once the M chip is more prevalent is more likely when it will happen, IMHO.
 
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Hope the 11" Pro gets a refresh even if it is announced/launched later.
 
Since apple seems unwilling or unable to do an OLED ipad, this will be a nice improvement. I watch a lot of movies on my ipad, and the improved dynamic range will be welcome. But once you notice the miniLED halos, it’s hard to unsee them.
What are the miniLED halos? Is it possible to portray them in pictures? I’m in the market for an iPad Pro, but I’d rather buy a used late generation model if the screen on the new one will be annoying to look at.
 
As someone who first purchased the 12.9" iPad Pro in 2018, only to exchange it for the 11" model a week later, I will say that each has their own strengths. For me, I really loved the extra screen space of the larger iPad when reading documents in notability, but it was simply too big for me to comfortably handle with one hand, which was crucial to me as a teacher using his iPad to teach in the classroom.

2 years later, my 11" iPad Pro is still going strong, and it should have no issues lasting until the next refresh, whenever that
I also use my iPad in teaching and for me, I love the 12.9 for drawing and notes. Even that seem cramped at times. Each to their own. I usually have a desk nearly I can rest the iPad on so no issue there.
 
I also use my iPad in teaching and for me, I love the 12.9 for drawing and notes. Even that seem cramped at times. Each to their own. I usually have a desk nearly I can rest the iPad on so no issue there.
Yeah, for me, I enjoy moving around the classroom with iPad in hand so I can monitor my students at the same time. For a while, I contemplated going the dual-pad lifestyle (one for work, one for home), but just couldn't justifying owning both devices.
 
Still another rumor that doesn’t mention the 11” Pro, which makes me suspicious. Will they pull another separate launch of 12.9” model (like they did for the 1st gen) and then launch the 11” Pro with mini-LED in the fall? Curious about this. The 11” Pro is far too popular to drop.
It makes me think it isn’t going to be your typical iPad Pro.

The 12.9” iPad Pro initially launched on its own for the new ‘pro’ line up. I don’t see Apple simply releasing just a 12.9” iPad Pro with the only difference being the screen.

I’m sure the rumours are just ‘wrong’ and there will be both 11” and 12.9”, but I’m always hopeful for the ‘next phase’ of the iPad to start.
 
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OLED’s apparently not up to their standards for larger devices. Production is also extremely difficult in larger sizes, seeing as LG is still the only manufacturer of OLED television panels. (Vizio and Sony are using LG’s panels for their OLED TV’s.)
Samsung has their own OLED production lines.
 
For anyone still confused:
LCD < miniLED < OLED < microLED
Do you have any data on that? miniLED and OLED seem not to be so straight forward to distinguish. If OLED was superior, why would the XDR Pro display not have it? Lots of TV sets come now with miniLED. They are not cheaper than OLEDs (Sony site) so the performance must be at least as good as OLED.
 
Hopefully the iPad Pro 11 gets some love early next year too. Wasn't going to be in the market for a new iPad as my 2018 iPad Pro 11 worked fantastically. However knocked it off the nightstand the other night when it was in the magnetic folio case instead of the usual TPU case I have it in and it trashed the glass. :(.
 
Why not a M1? I think that’s more likely than an A14x.
I really don’t. I think Appoe was very specific from a marketing standpoint that the M1 is the Mac family of chips which includes some items iPads don’t need (extra USB modules, memory modules, etc).

I think the iPad will get the A14X, however I think tear downs and performance tests will show that they are very similar chipsets
 
As someone who purchased the 11" iPP and got rid of it to purchase a 12.9" after one week I can say that 11" felt like a toy, I had to pinch to zoom a lot, it had weird screen ratio compared to rest of ipad family. There is nothing 11" was better at compared to the 12.9" except the portability, though for that one should better buy a mini or an air.
The 11 inch was never meant to be better than the 12.9 inch model. It was supposed to offer the same power and features in a smaller form factor. That on its own is a good enough reason to buy it over the less capable mini with old style pencil or the Air, which is worse in pretty much every way with regard to hardware.
 
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It will be interesting to see how Apple justifies the price of the iPad Pro, especially compared to the M1 Macs. I have been waiting for the updated iPad Pro, to replace my 2018 12.9”, but the performance, especially the battery life that the M1‘s offer is swaying the direction I’m leaning now. I figure I can keep my current iPad Pro, get a new MBA, and have the benefits both offer. Assuming I’m going to be traveling again in 2021, the added battery life to the MBA is super appealing, as is the overall performance.
 
Samsung has been making OLED tablets for years and years. Even an OLED tablet display from years ago will be superior in many ways to any MiniLED tablet...

Seriously Apple, just go OLED on your damn iPads already...
What wrong is with miniLED? I may mess it with MicroLED. I heard only superlatives to them compare to OLED. I an no expert to that tho.
 
I think a 11.5" iPad Pro is an ideal paired with a 13.1" larger version. But I doubt that will happen.
But at least it'll give Apple a reason to make new Magic Keyboards that can fold back and have function keys.
 
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