Other 12PM to 16PM..no, it’s not, 17 is the one

[Andeddu]

If you don’t know the difference between on device and chat gpt AI you’re missing the point

I don’t use Siri and I don’t know many people who do so I don’t think it’ll be a particularly important innovation for most users. Nice to have, like Dynamic Island, but not a game changer.

Certainly no reason to replace an older device unless you really want to.

 

[Populus]

So it’s all set…all 12’s are waiting for 17? 😉 It’s looking that way.

The 17 will also get the new antireflective coating, right? I’m not sure if that’s expected for the Pro models only, or for the whole lineup, but I think the iPhone 17 looks quite compelling, especially if you don’t mind the iPhone being taller.

However, my upgrade advice will always be: whenever the RAM is increased -yeah, I’m one of those RAM maniacs lol-, as a lot of new iOS features usually rely on RAM, and this is usually a factor to cut software support.

And I suspect the iPhone 16 is coming again with 8GB, and it won’t be until the 17 or even the iPhone 18 when the iPhone will come with at least 12GB of a much faster LPGDDR6 RAM.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

The 17 will also get the new antireflective coating, right? I’m not sure if that’s expected for the Pro models only, or for the whole lineup, but I think the iPhone 17 looks quite compelling, especially if you don’t mind the iPhone being taller.

However, my upgrade advice will always be: whenever the RAM is increased -yeah, I’m one of those RAM maniacs lol-, as a lot of new iOS features usually rely on RAM, and this is usually a factor to cut software support.

And I suspect the iPhone 16 is coming again with 8GB, and it won’t be until the 17 or even the iPhone 18 when the iPhone will come with at least 12GB of a much faster LPGDDR6 RAM.

It's kind of crazy to think that so many of the older iPhones actually wouldn't struggle as much as they do with newer iOS versions if it weren't for the 3-4GB RAM (or less) they're stuck with.

Having a powerful CPU and being compatible with newer iOSs is quite overrated when your iPhone has less than 6GB RAM.

This is also why the cheaper iPads like 9th and 10th gen are such bad purchases even though they run most things fine now. They're just not going to last with 3-4GB RAM. Only if you stop upgrading iPadOS.

And with that in mind, I do not think iPhone 16/16 Plus will get 8GB RAM as Apple only just moved the mid-tier iPhones from 4 to 6GB with iPhones 14/14 Plus.

The "fact" that iPhones 16/16 Plus by definition need 8GB RAM to run Apple Intelligence is just speculation at this point. We don't even know if this will be another year of Apple Intelligence being exclusive to Pro/Pro Max.

Regardless of AI coming to 16/16 Plus, I don't think RAM will jump from 6GB to 8GB before iPhones 17/17 Plus.

 

[jsmith1]

Decision made…going with 17 as the upgrades will be worth it by then, unless of course 12 craps out before then but looking really good at this point

 

[The Game 161]

It's kind of crazy to think that so many of the older iPhones actually wouldn't struggle as much as they do with newer iOS versions if it weren't for the 3-4GB RAM (or less) they're stuck with.

Having a powerful CPU and being compatible with newer iOSs is quite overrated when your iPhone has less than 6GB RAM.

This is also why the cheaper iPads like 9th and 10th gen are such bad purchases even though they run most things fine now. They're just not going to last with 3-4GB RAM. Only if you stop upgrading iPadOS.

And with that in mind, I do not think iPhone 16/16 Plus will get 8GB RAM as Apple only just moved the mid-tier iPhones from 4 to 6GB with iPhones 14/14 Plus.

The "fact" that iPhones 16/16 Plus by definition need 8GB RAM to run Apple Intelligence is just speculation at this point. We don't even know if this will be another year of Apple Intelligence being exclusive to Pro/Pro Max.

Regardless of AI coming to 16/16 Plus, I don't think RAM will jump from 6GB to 8GB before iPhones 17/17 Plus.

All iPhone 16 models are getting 8GB of ram for apple intelligence

 

[masotime]

Decision made…going with 17 as the upgrades will be worth it by then, unless of course 12 craps out before then but looking really good at this point

Good choice, your tummy needs some time to digest lunch so that you'll have a good appetite for dinner at 17PM.

 

[jsmith1]

When is the fold coming 18? Just used one today of another brand and it was very nice

 

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too bad Huawei can't be used in the US.. It has better cameras, and now it's own OS too, and Apple and the government probably knows it too. A lot of fancy things coming out of Huawei on their website now, including the car. This is just what can be here if Apple starts innovating more.

 

[locksmack]

I’m kind of in the same boat with a 12 Pro (not Max).


The only feature I’m keen on is Apple Intelligence. Not only does it sound like it won’t be available at launch for the 16 models, but international launch will be even later still (I’m in Australia). If the one feature i want won’t be available until mid-cycle, I might as well wait for the following release. The ‘slim’ may be worth waiting for too.

 

[Marty80]

After this thread and some info I’m pretty much leaning this way too..very doubtful though I hold out to 18, 17 of some iteration will probably be it.

I feel your pain, I too want to hold something new in my hands. But I cannot be bothered to buy into the same design phone.

If Apple does not do something exciting to the design or in terms of reducing the Dynamic Island, I might pass and hang onto my iPhone 12 Pro Max, and replace my battery.

As I hate the Dynamic Island, much like the discontinued touch bar on the MacBook Pro it is a failed gimmick. With a few apps developers integrating it, there is little need for it.

Also the notch never got in the way for playing media content, the Dynamic Island cannot hide itself when watching YouTube, a movie or tv show.

Upgrading to the 16 pro max won’t be a satisfying buy. As the phone offers very little besides AI, the larger screen, smaller bezels and another useless button.

The 17 pro max much like our 12 pro max triple 12 mp camera array, will have a triple lens 48mp camera, and an upgraded 24mp selfie camera if taking photos is your thing.

Finally next years pro line up is rumoured to get a reduced Dynamic Island, 12GB of ram, and an anti reflective screen which offers better scratch resistance.

Hence the 17 pro max might be a tempting upgrade for the both of us, if they can reduce that god awful Dynamic Island.

For myself the 12 pro max is still a great phone and still runs great for web surfing, apps & casual games. Not that there is a market for AAA gaming on the iPhone.

Another dilemma for myself is the iPhones trade in value in Australia for example last years iPhone 15 pro max on eBay has already shedded 700 dollars off its value. My iPhone 12 Pro Max trade in value is pretty much at charitable prices.

 

[Sami13496]

When is the fold coming 18? Just used one today of another brand and it was very nice

I hope never Folding phones are a gimmick. The “benefits” of a folding phone, such as a little bit larger screen, do not enhance the user experience enough to warrant the additional bulk, cost and potential durability issues.

 

[Bandoholic]

I’m envious of pro max users, using a 13 mini because of disabilities that requires using a phone one handed. I wish Apple
Would bring back the mini with major improvement’s.

 

[Neofox]

I hope never Folding phones are a gimmick. The “benefits” of a folding phone, such as a little bit larger screen, do not enhance the user experience enough to warrant the additional bulk, cost and potential durability issues.

I strongly disagree and I'm also waiting for a foldable iPhone!!
I already really like the Samsung foldables and am very impatient to see what apple is gonna come up with! I will buy the iPhone 16PM so I hope it's not gonna come next year tho hahaa

 

[jsmith1]

I hope never Folding phones are a gimmick. The “benefits” of a folding phone, such as a little bit larger screen, do not enhance the user experience enough to warrant the additional bulk, cost and potential durability issues.

They haven’t been on my radar either till using one..if Apple can make one that is up to their usual standards, I would get one I’m sure as the footprint is worth it alone

 

[cwwilson]

The 17 is looking like the most significant upgrade to the iPhone since the X so it's probably worth waiting for another year if possible. I think that's what I'm going to do since the 16 series is a stopgap and my 15 PM is still the best iPhone I've had and I've been using them since the 3G.

The 17PM is gonna be a beast and the "Slim" model also is very interesting so I think I'll sit this year's iPhone out.

 

[adrianlondon]

The 17 is looking like the most significant upgrade to the iPhone since the X so it's probably worth waiting for another year if possible. I think that's what I'm going to do since the 16 series is a stopgap and my 15 PM is still the best iPhone I've had and I've been using them since the 3G.

The 17PM is gonna be a beast and the "Slim" model also is very interesting so I think I'll sit this year's iPhone out.

People with the 14 probably said that about the 16 a year ago

 

[arian71]

save your money and get 13 pro max with promotion , the last true upgrade

 

[arian71]

Apple Intelligence Service agents all over this place, trying to convince people to upgrade their 14,15 pro max phones

 

[smoking monkey]

Apple Intelligence Service agents all over this place, trying to convince people to upgrade their 14,15 pro max phones

Doesn't Apple Intelligence work with 15 pro phones?

I do think this year is a very decent upgrade.
Better battery, less thermal issues, new camera button, bigger screen, new coating, all the AI stuff eventually coming. It's certainly not a 11/12/13/14 release. If they've made the DI into a bullet hole then we'd be talking major upgrade.

Personally, more ram, lighter and bullet hole is all they needed to add this year. But that's next year it seems.

 

[Ctrlos]

We won't know anything about the 17 until Apple reveal it in September 2025. Anything we think we know is just rumours, hearsay and shonky analyst 'predictions' based on Android hardware features. Given we still don't have 120hz on basic iPhones I'd say any predictions for Apple adopting things from there is out the window.

Phones are just shells for software. 2 years ago we just thought there would be a punchhole array and they suprised everyone with the dynamic island; last year they added USB-C but also turned it into a utility. They added a processor that could handle PS4 games.

If you're chomping for a new phone, wait a month. But don't sit around for a year playing guessing games. The 5x lens alone is worth any upgrade. You'll never go back to the other lenses again.

 

[jsmith1]

The camera is absolutely the last thing I would ever upgrade because of $1500 phone can’t take even a decent picture nowadays still…. and there are a lot of things known about phones well in advance.

 

[ghostface147]

Running iOS 18 on my phone (14 PM) shows that I don’t need anything new hardware wise. Cameras are fine for what I need and I don’t more power to open my apps marginally faster. Battery is at 84%, so maybe I’ll replace that.

 

[janeauburn]

Is it finally time to upgrade…12PM STILL running smooth and battery at 88.

Get a new battery. Done.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

Is it finally time to upgrade…12PM STILL running smooth and battery at 88. Bugs should be worked out from 15’s design and material but is it really worth it and if so, why other than just being new model.

I did finally upgrade my iPad Pro 10.5 to the new iPad 11 2024 and really was disappointed as it really wasn’t worth the money for what I use, so this one will be it for long time unless it dies.


16PM or will the 17PM really the upgrade that will be worth it and if so why?

Easy: YMMV. Every individual is different, so look at the new models, look at your finances and then you decide.

Note that August is no time to be deciding whether or not you should upgrade to a 15. For sure wait until the new 16 models are released next month before decision making. This entire thread is ~one month premature.

Edit: I just read the OP stating "decison made, waiting for 17." Wow. With even the 16 not out yet and the 17 still just a fantasy, that sounds like the antithesis of appropriate decision making to me.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

The camera is absolutely the last thing I would ever upgrade because of $1500 phone can’t take even a decent picture nowadays still…. and there are a lot of things known about phones well in advance.

Sorry but suggesting "$1500 phone can’t take even a decent picture" is simply wrong. Perhaps you have not looked at any of the "shot on iPhone" images from Apple's marketing. Personally I have many thousands of more than "decent picture" captured on iPhone Pros of the last few years.