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I completely agree. It would be very desirable too if they implemented WiFI-6, moved the entire MBP line to Gen 10 processors implemented FaceID and incorporated an HD video camera. A USB-4 implementation would also be a good idea, assuming the tech is mature enough.

A lot of people are bringing up WiFi 6 support in the 10th gen Intel processors, but Apple doesn't use Intel's wireless chip, which I'm assuming is because it's limited to 2x2. On the 2019 15" Pro, Apple used a module by muRata that supports 802.11ac in a 3x3 configuration.

I'm not sure why Apple didn't include WiFi 6 (802.11ax) in the new 16" though. It's possible that the updated module just wasn't released yet or available in the quantity that they need.
 
It‘s good to see Apple un-iveing its products.
Ive hasn’t left yet (presumably he will soon) but his designs will still keep rolling out for the next couple years as they work through the pipeline.

iPhones have gotten thicker every year since iPhone 6, due to marketing and engineering requirements. MacBook Pro is no different.
 
Ive hasn’t left yet (presumably he will soon) but his designs will still keep rolling out for the next couple years as they work through the pipeline.

iPhones have gotten thicker every year since iPhone 6, due to marketing and engineering requirements. MacBook Pro is no different.

Ive basically checked out somewhere around 2015-2017, according to WSJ. He’s only still listed there by name.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the 16-inch is one of the first non-Jony products.
 
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If we’re going to have the privelidge of getting a high quality brand new scissor switch mechanism, that no other laptop in the mark has, this better start at $2000 and no less. We don’t want cheap plastic laptops!!
Didn’t we just go through this with the 16”—with the Apple-hate crowd predicting $3,500, $4,000 and even $5,000? Turns out we got a bigger screen AND a price cut.

There’s no reason to think a 13” with the new keyboard, whether it keeps the 13” display or moves up to 14”, will be any higher than the current $1,299/$1,799.
 
I agree but it begs the question...who the heck was/is in charge of the company...Ive or Cook?

Before he died, Steve Jobs gave Jony Ive a tremendous amount of veto power inside of Apple (Chief Design Officer) that I suspect has lead to an internal power struggle between the two and behind closed doors the MacBook Pro keyboard issues and Ive not keen to create yet another tower Mac pushed things to the breaking point. There is a correlation between the perceived decline in Apple’s focus on Macs and consumer’s needs, wants and desires, with the design direction that was taken in the 2016-2019 MacBook Pro, the lack of substantive updates to the Mac mini and the 2013 MacPro, as well as the hoopla over Jony Ive’s outside projects and dare I say it, weight gain, that leads me to believe that he was Ready to leave Apple back in 2015 after the Watch was released or even earlier and maybe he is or was suffering from some form of depression.

Again, this is conjecture on my part, I have no insider knowledge and only a few links to back up my assertions. But I’ve seen and lived parts of this before in my professional life. I suspect Ive was incredibly frustrated with Cook’s focus on costs, margin, supply chain, moving away from computers (although I think Ive was with him on that) and Cook’s relative lack of Deep caring or interest in the process of design, aesthetics, elegance...and that lead to a fractious working relationship. Steve balanced them out, acted as a buffer and took on the responsibility of making the final decisions, although I think he favored Ive’s arguments more times than anyone would admit. So to keep Cook, Jobs made him CEO and to balance it out, elevated Ive to CDO and gave him almost co-equal CEO power.

These sorts or working relationships are fragile, egocentric, mercurial and not prone to longevity. Ive no longer wants to be held back and these external projects were to try and give him a chance to spread his wings while retaining him as long as possible. The past 4-8 years are a result of this, I believe, we just have no transparency into any of Apple’s corporate drama.

Again, my opinion, my conjecture, my experiences. Thanks for letting me ramble on.
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I sure wish Apple would offer the opportunity to upgrade the keyboards from the 2018 models to the new keyboard. I be happy to pay for the privilege. I had a chance to play with the new one this weekend, and it's much better feeling than the pounding-on-concrete version I have.

Different chassis with different engineering, and that extra thickness is part of what is necessary to embed the scissors into the new 16”. Long story, short, a retrofit is not possible.

Best situation is to sell your 15” and buy the 16” and stop pounding on concrete. Just my 2¢.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Intel has released a 10th gen CPU that fits the 15" MBP yet.

Intel has released one that fits the 13" though (around same TDP as previous 13" CPUs).
And that one supports Wifi 6, TB3 (built-in = better eGPU performance), 6 cores and 64 GB RAM, up from 16 GB for 9th gen.

Same old iGPU though, so .. Navi-GPU would be nice. My guess is we'll see 6 core, 32 GB, with no Navi.

If they increase to 6 cores and 32 GB, I'm buying day one.
If not, I don't know... I really don't like 15-16" size laptops.

I would wager that's not the CPU Apple will use for the 13" (or 14") MBP update in 2020. Besides Comet Lake, suitable 15W/28W Ice Lake parts are also available now, which *do* include the *much* improved Gen11 graphics, and some other perks that Comet lake does not have such as AVX-512 and better efficiency. These Ice Lake chips are targeted at high-end/premium portables, while Comet Lake is targeted at the mid-range. At the very least I expect Ice Lake will be an upgrade/BTO option for the top-spec model, but from a hardware and manufacturing point of view it's probably not attractive for Apple to have Comet Lake for the entry-level spec and Ice Lake for the top-spec, so I would be surprised if they wouldn't just use Ice Lake across the entire 2020 range.

Zdigital2015 said:
Whether that ends up being 10nm Ice Lake CPUs is dubious at best, given the lack of real substantive speed increases, low yields and abysmal clock speeds relative to the 9th Gen 28w TDP U-Series currently in use with the 2019 13” MacBook Pros.

That's bollocks, the first Ice Lake devices that are becoming available show solid performance increase despite the lower clock rates, by virtue of being able to maintain turbo clocks for longer. See [1], which doesn't even use the highest-spec 28W part. Low yields should be a temporary problem, and likely the main reason Apple did not upgrade the 13" already in 2019.

[1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/15092/the-dell-xps-13-7390-2in1-review-the-ice-lake-cometh
 
I'd be disappointed if the screen size remains 13.3". Keep the Air at 13.3" but make the Pro 14", and Apple will have a nicely visible way to differentiate the two.

Would be great to see 16 GB RAM + 256 GB SSD standard and 2880x1800 screen resolution on the 14" Pro as well. No excuse for not having 16 GB standard at $1,799, this isn't 2013 anymore.
 
I just ordered a new MacBook Pro 13”, not because I wanted to, because I had to. But I already know that I’m going to go ahead and sell it off for this when the time comes, but good to know that the rumors are coming.
Well the good thing is that MacBooks hold their value very well (aside from the 12" MacBook which I also got for a steal)!

So it's not really a poor decision on your part!
 
The 16” did not get WiFi 6. Doesn’t mean a new 13” will not, but just keep in mind the 16” didn’t actually get any hardware upgrades (other than additional CTO options) - it just got effectively a slightly new enclosure.
Precisely. Lack of Wifi6 is rubbish in my opinion, given that the intel ax200 has been on the market for a while... But could be they were waiting for Broadcom. The 3x3 Broadcom BCM6710 was released in Oct, so could be it was too new to put in the 16-inch. So here's to hoping it, or some derivative, finds itself into the 2020 macbooks.
 
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Shouldn't 2020 be the year of a "complete" redesign?
Ideally, yes. But Apple seems to go for evolutionary change more often that revolutionary. I think they will first do the easy evolutionary changes, like they did with the new 16" MBP. I think in 2021 we'll see something more revolutionary along with switch to their A series processors.
 
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Lack of wifi6 is due to intel 9th gen 45w
The up 13-14” will have wifi6 since in febr-march we will already have 10th gen 15w and 28w intel with included wifi6
 
Ive hasn’t left yet (presumably he will soon) but his designs will still keep rolling out for the next couple years as they work through the pipeline.

iPhones have gotten thicker every year since iPhone 6, due to marketing and engineering requirements. MacBook Pro is no different.

I truly think that while the butterfly keyboard is not the debacle that people here say it is, but that the overall consumer sentiment and Apple employee sentiment (they use these as well) along with internal metrics and failure rates may have given hardware engineering the political capital to challenge Ive and ID on the relative merits of not continuing down the road with the 15” chassis any longer as it was costing Apple more money and good will than they could justify or simply ignore Until the next iteration. I do believe that their hand was forced, given that the MacBook Pro line is the main sales driver on the Mac side.

I could write more, but I better stop.
 
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I may be wrong but I don't ever see apple making a 15" MacBook Air. The MacBook Air was designed to be an ultra portable, and having the 15" size kinda contradicts that.
I mean maybe, but there's some demand for a larger display laptop that isn't also a workhorse. The 15" is overkill for most people. If it doesn't come back as an air or some new line aimed at mass consumers, then I can't see it coming back at all.
 
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