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13-Inch MacBook Pro With Scissor Keyboard Expected in First Half of 2020
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Haven't we been saying/praying for this for years now? Apparently Apple is happy with the MBP design and is sticking to it.
Just two days ago my gf told me "You know, I left a typo in that document because the "a" key if my MBP [2018] doesn't work properly." 
I still use her old 2011 one
I still use her old 2011 one I agree, this is the redesign. It has a new thicker chassis and larger screen what is there to redesign?
Yep, now just put back the flipping HDMI port and I'm ready to buy again.
Apple don’t even fully understand 4K yet and you’re seriously expecting them to go 8K? Wait another five years or so.
I hope so. And a MacBook Air in the same form factor of the current 13" one with a 14" screen. That would replace my MacBook Air that turns 10 next year! 😱
That’s not gonna happen. Ever.
Agreed. The laptop is a very mature design. Change for the sake of change becomes counterproductive
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"Apple don’t even fully understand 4K yet and you’re seriously expecting them to go 8K? Wait another five years or so."
It might not output 8K but it can drive two 6K Pro XDR monitors. Which is not too shabby.
There is one major factor which will fundamentally limit USB: it doesn't have any secure mode for traffic passing over the link. The big difference between HDMI and DVI is not audio, it is HDCP and without a ‘studio' approved link protection mechanism with hardware keys any link mechanism would be unsuitable for high value video. Now, you might say:
- You can add encryption, not without a hardware replacement because there must be a secure video pipeline between the GPU and the sink device.
- Try and get a normal CPU to do nGb/sec of encryption and see how much it hits performance.
Apple’s USB-C ports are not just USB but also Thunderbolt which does have security modes.
on MBP '15 it doesn't take much to cook the computer, just rendering vide you will see 90C heat. Has this kind of issue been fixed on newer laptops? I am not in the business of buying $3000 laptops with un-repairable components to be cooked to death.
No, and it will never be fixed unless they make the laptop a lot thicker. This in combination with the heat those Intel CPUs produce it's even hard for a company like Dell or HP who don't value asthetics that much to cool them properly.
Actually, I can’t put all the blame on Jony Ive. He’s not a computer guy, he's a designer, in love with design. Whatever he designs he’s in love with, and he apparently loves thinner. But he’s not the only guy in the company, nor should he ever have been the most important one.
Cook and the rest of the cookies simply seem to have lost interest in Macs, and gave Ive a free hand to play, to do whatever he pleased. It’s a wonder we haven’t been offered something as thin as a piece of paper, with no bezel at all, which you could fold up into your wallet. It’d have no ports, of course, and pretty much everything else would have to be sacrificed, but it could use all the services Apple’s so pleased to offer. And it'd be soooo cooooool!
Apple should, and surely still could make the really great stuff which made them so successful to begin with. But I’m not holding my breath, because I don’t get the impression they really care any more.
Cook and the rest of the cookies simply seem to have lost interest in Macs, and gave Ive a free hand to play, to do whatever he pleased. It’s a wonder we haven’t been offered something as thin as a piece of paper, with no bezel at all, which you could fold up into your wallet. It’d have no ports, of course, and pretty much everything else would have to be sacrificed, but it could use all the services Apple’s so pleased to offer. And it'd be soooo cooooool!
Apple should, and surely still could make the really great stuff which made them so successful to begin with. But I’m not holding my breath, because I don’t get the impression they really care any more.
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Blame it on Jobs. Jobs had such high regards for Ive that he gave Ive special privileges to do whatever he wanted. The design team pretty much had precedence over the engineering team (remember antennagate?)
Now lucky for us that Ive was preoccupied with the spaceship. It could’ve been worse than the butterfly keyboards.
The man's been working at Apple just as long as Steve Jobs and has been the head of the industrial design team an equal length of time. I'm sure he knows a thing or two about designing computing devices.
You've hit the nail on the head. Computing devices, and the needs of people who use them, are much more complex than just "a thing or two". I'm sure he contributed many good ideas, but he should have been kept on a leash.
if they do, i may end up buying another macbook pro.
if they do not, my migration to linux will be completed (i'm already linux only on the desktop in my sig), via something from system76
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i don't think ive should cop the blame for this. Apples's priorities as a company for their computing devices need to change (like... functionality NEEDS TO WORK. people use these things to do work! DON'T chase 1mm of thickness at the expense of reliability or function!). looks like (if scissor keys come back) they may be righting the ship.
if they do not, my migration to linux will be completed (i'm already linux only on the desktop in my sig), via something from system76
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i don't think ive should cop the blame for this. Apples's priorities as a company for their computing devices need to change (like... functionality NEEDS TO WORK. people use these things to do work! DON'T chase 1mm of thickness at the expense of reliability or function!). looks like (if scissor keys come back) they may be righting the ship.
Ive designed the keyboard?
Or maybe he hasn’t even left yet (though he will soon) and he’ll continue working with Apple (and other customers) for another ten or twenty years.
Apple's priorities for their Macs did change several years ago, that's the problem. And despite their now bringing back a reliable keyboard, I'm not optimistic that they're returning to the culture of overall useful quality for which they were once known.
Unfortunately the only 10nm parts that Intel has been able to get working are low power. Sure they’ve got some 15W parts the last couple months, though rather low clocks (slower than the 14nm parts) but Apple just updated the 15W 13” MBP not four months ago.
The only 28W Ice Lake chip, the i7-1068G7, has only been announced and is yet to ship, plus it comes with a $500+ price tag. Apple just updated the 28W 13” MBP six months ago. And one processor isn’t enough to make a lineup, in any case.
Hopefully things get better soon but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the next 13” MBP refresh uses 14nm+++ parts.
You must have intentionally missed the part where I was complaining about soldered STORAGE.
Okay, my bad...so if I understand correctly, soldered DRAM = GOOD, soldered STORAGE = BAD.
I can’t wait to see issues arise with this all new (old) keyboard key design. The bitching will be heavenly
Soldered DRAM is only really bad if they don't make the memory upgrade cost comparable to aftermarket upgrades.
I hope you know why soldered storage is bad, please spare me the "you should have backups" argument, because we all know how that goes..... even with the largest of corporations.
Storage SHOULD NOT be soldered on a laptop or desktop computer for any reason.
well, whats the use of a PRO machine if you do PRO work on it and it will destroy itself due to high heat. I have heard of those graphic card issues in the past failing.