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Great, just great.

This is looking SO disappointing for the 13" rMBP.

Sticking with Dual Core instead of going to Quad
No dedicated graphics.

Those are my two gripes, but they are major ones, and unless those specs are wrong, Apple lost a SURE purchase on my part. I was all set to buy this machine, but not when it's this underpowered.
 
Is it feasible to drive a 13" rMBP display just from the HD 4000 IGP? Not that it matters to me, I'll only *need* the retina display for a future updated to Lightroom.

I guess it *might* be enough - it's a smaller screen but may still be a bit much for the 4000.

I'd be more worried that it cant do the same 3 external screens that the 15" rMBP can - that's a pretty handy selling point, and I just cant see the crappy 4000 being able to do it. The 15" seems to have to switch to the discreet gpu just to run 1 external display. Maybe we'll see a newer iteration of the 4000?
 
Sweet. Wallet is locked and loaded for one high end CTO Mac Mini. Come to Papa. (Crossing fingers the iFixiT 2nd SSD conversion kit is still compatible).
 
How if I may ask —

- Retina Display
- 128 GB SSD over 500 GB HDD (not a major difference but a significant one nonetheless)
- Lighter/Thinner enclosure.
- Double memory in base or other configurations
- Obviously USB 3, Thunderbolt, etc


- 128 SSD is the same price as a 500 notebook HDD.
- It's thinner and lighter because Apple REMOVED the DVD drive. Apple saved money by making it thinner.
- USB 3 is standard in 2012 and comes at ZERO additional cost to Apple. They can keep thunderbolt for all I care. It's virtually useless.
 
No. Just no.

You can get an aftermarket SSD 550MB/s read/write minimum for under $100 for a 120GB model. 16GB RAM costs something like $50 these days.

So basically, you are paying $350 for a screen that the hardware is too underpowered to produce satisfactory performance.

All I was saying is you get more than a SSD for $500 as your post implied. Apple products costs a lot of $, this isn't new.

Please post a 128GB with that Read/Write speeds. Then do the same for RAM. You're paying a premium to get this all built-in to a thin/light design.

I'm not defending Apple pricing but I'm not gonna cry when they don't use Dell pricing with high-quality hardware.
 
My only real question now is if that hard drive in the Mac mini is 7200 RPM standard or if that's still the slower 5000 RPM drive...

Who cares. Get the stock drive and rip it out yourself. It's a super easy upgrade on the mini.
 
Two words: Virtual machines.

Life savers for many programmers. 128 is too small. 256 is a good starting point for pro.

I've 3VMs on my macbook as of now. 2 of them are for lecture courses at Stanford and one is a custom for Stanford Autonomous Cars for which I have been a researcher for the last so many years.

I still have more than 25GB clean on my machine. That's not to say that I don't have other machines but this is my only laptop. My office has a number of MacPro's stacked. I've two iMacs, one dell tower and two MacPros with a very old Mini stacked at my place.

If you are a pro that needs too much processing or memory, you would have a setup without one or two towers. Laptop is simply an accessory.

In any case, calling a laptop pro because it has 256 GB and dissing a laptop with 128 GB is idiotic.
 
Recent purchase experience

I recently bought 13 inch Macbook Pro

MacBook Pro 9,2 = 1142.99
16GB RAM = 89.99
SSD 256GB = 169.99
AppleCare = 244.99
Total = 1647.96

I don't see how Apple would price 13" retina MBP at $1699.
 
Who cares. Get the stock drive and rip it out yourself. It's a super easy upgrade on the mini.

Have you seen the insides of the Retina machines?

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I recently bought 13 inch Macbook Pro

MacBook Pro 9,2 = 1142.99
16GB RAM = 89.99
SSD 256GB = 169.99
AppleCare = 244.99
Total = 1647.96

I don't see how Apple would price 13" retina MBP at $1699.

Take out your Apple care and 256GB and drop it down to a 128GB drive.

That's how.
 
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Quad-Core Mac mini? Holy cow, time to sell the spare kidney.

Yeah, that got my attention to. But the bigger question I have is the graphics chip. The Mini could have 12 cores for all that matters, but if it's saddled with a built-in 512 mb graphics chip its performance will be pretty underwhelming.
 
I'm a working professional dj desperately in need of a new laptop...a 13" computer needs to portable for me, so a 13" is still a "pro" computer...but i won't be able to survive with a 128 gig drive for very long before I start to run out of space.

As far as weight/portability/etc. this computer is just about perfect for what I need it to do, but hoping it doesn't start at 1699 with only a 128 gig ssd. Bumping it up to 256 would then catapult the price into the 15" retina range...
 
- 128 SSD is the same price as a 500 notebook HDD.

Google shopping tells me its not. 128 GB is almost 2 times the price as a 500 GB HDD. On an average. Don't give me random extreme values

- It's thinner and lighter because Apple REMOVED the DVD drive. Apple saved money by making it thinner.

Oh! So you are one of those who think that removing the disk drive is a childs play and requires no engineering whatsoever. And Apple should be making money because of that! Fancy, a disk drive costs about $25-$30. Apple won't give a damn about it. Re-engineering, design and manufacturing is tougher for the kind of product Apple is doing with their new 13" and 15" notebooks. You are funny.

- USB 3 is standard in 2012 and comes at ZERO additional cost to Apple. They can keep thunderbolt for all I care. It's virtually useless.

For everything that's useless for you, don't buy the machine dude? USB 3.0 might be useless but its useful over thunderbolt for almost all people including me.
 
Have you seen the insides of the Retina machines?

He was referring to the Mac Mini.

Even so the Retina MBP has a pretty easy to change out SSD. You just have to buy one that's made to work with the RMBP, like those that OWC sells.
 
I don't think apple will every get rid of the "pro" label, unless they bring out another laptop (not going to happen)

People (even more so for the sort of people who buy apple, myself included to some extent :p ) want to buy something they see as the best, including the label. They want to feel like their thousands of chosen currency is worth it, and the pro label is what they want.

If apple lost the pro label on the 13" MBP they would almost certainly sell substantially fewer laptops. Not huge amounts, but still, why get rid of even a few sales?

That's my opinion anyway :p
 
I guess it *might* be enough - it's a smaller screen but may still be a bit much for the 4000.

Assuming the same DPI, we are most likely looking at 2560x1600 panel in the 13" rMBP. That's not much more than what the 27" Thunderbolt Display has, which for example the MacBook Air can handle just fine (even the previous gen with HD 300 graphics).

Maybe we'll see a newer iteration of the 4000?

Not gonna happen, you'll have to wait till Haswell to see that.
 
Mac Mini 2.3 Quad -- geekbench probably ~10,700

Here's hoping one can just put 2 hard drives in the $799 model!!!
Two 512G SSD's + 16G ram = killer mini mac pro for ~$1800 !!!!

How about a custom proc upgrade to 2.6 to boot!
 
On the plus side, Apple is including a new sticker with the 13" rMBP.

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