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13-Inch Retina MacBook Pro to Launch Alongside iPad Mini in October
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Can everyone stop chatting bollocks about the iMac or lack of its update please? You have a whole section of the forum to moan about the iMac! This is a thread about the 13" rMBP.
After using the integrated GPU on rMBP and finding out how choppy and under performing it is, I think it would be a good idea to pass this IVY bridge and wait for Haswell. The GPU will be twice as fast which is badly needed for retina display.
You don't know what you're talking about. Please stop running on false information, it confuses all of the others. It's not a GPU problem, the GPUs are plenty capable of pushing out the pixels, clearly doing so on non-retina MacBook Pros and MacBook Airs with attached thunderbolt displays. It's a software problem with HiDPI support in the OS itself. Apple poorly prepared for this. It's as simple as that. Case in point, it is only the first retina-equipped Mac. You can be sure that it will improve by the time that all non-retina Macs and Mac displays are discontinued.
Who cares if it gets announced with the iPad mini or not? As long as it gets announced.
No. There will be:
MacBook Air
MacBook Pro
MacBook Pro Retina Display
There's already been a MacBook model which has been phased out and replaced with the MacBook Air.
What's obvious is the models for laptops will be:
MacBook Air (consumer)
MacBook Pro (professional with retina display) IMO 'Retina Display' will eventually be removed from 'MacBook Pro Retina Display'.
Non-retina unibody is a dead design walking. Luckily, Apple gave it a one-year stay of execution. Odds are it will be discontinued in 2013 leaving retina to become the sole shipping MacBook Pro. No more cMBP and rMBP, just MBP.
Looks like they won't have your attention, then.
What are you talking about?! The Intel HD 4000 will blow your aging Radeon Mobility X1600 out of the freakin' water! No, it's no GeForce GT 650M, but it will run circles around your six and a half year old Radeon!
You don't know what you're talking about! GPUs output pixels. The Retina screen doesn't have more pixels than a non-retina MacBook Pro/Air + Thunderbolt display and there's no problem there. The problem is ENTIRELY software. The OS and/or drivers are not properly coded to deal with the increased pixel density and thusly, it doesn't draw well. That has nothing to do with insufficient hardware and everything to do with poorly engineered software. The end!
MBAs have always been as un-upgradable as they are. Your only real upgrade options have always been from OWC as they were when the Air first debuted in 2008.
As for non-retina MacBook Pros, yes, they will go away next year. It's all but blatantly mentioned everywhere, from Apple's own site to the WWDC 2012 keynote. Retina is the future of the design of the MacBook Pro line. Get the non-retinas while they're still hot (available).
Software. The OS and/or drivers are/is not properly coded to handle the increased pixel resolution. There's nothing wrong with the display, and the GPUs are each more than capable of outputting to that many pixels regardless of density, therefore, it's a problem in software hence OS and/or drivers.
I want a 17" Macbook Air.
I'd like to pretend I don't care about the rMBP 13", but since I just bought the Mrs a 13" MBP last month I'm a bit concerned I'll have some remorse. The only way I won't have any remorse is if there is an astronomical price difference between the two. If the starting price of the new model is around $1700 then full spec'd it'll be pushing $2k, and in that case I wouldn't have bought it anyway. If it came in around $1600 fully spec'd then I'll be disappointed.
I'd like to pretend I don't care about the rMBP 13", but since I just bought the Mrs a 13" MBP last month I'm a bit concerned I'll have some remorse. The only way I won't have any remorse is if there is an astronomical price difference between the two. If the starting price of the new model is around $1700 then full spec'd it'll be pushing $2k, and in that case I wouldn't have bought it anyway. If it came in around $1600 fully spec'd then I'll be disappointed.
It's either that or wait until WWDC 2013. Apple really should have announced it earlier this year, but maybe they were just being conservative and testing the waters first. Now, they will also have a find a way to cram in an iMac and possibly Mac mini announcement into this somehow.
Or maybe the iMac will be a separate event together with the mini and Mac Pro?
There is some truth to this. It's not rational for common people to pay so much for a laptop. Apple is introducing products for the rich again.
With time, maybe they are able to lower the prices.
If it would cost $1800 and have 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD, I would sell my i7/8/256 Air for this 13" rMBP (or wait for haswell?)
P.S. This is kind of nasty move by Apple. They knew that not many people, especially students, would buy 15" rMBP, so they released it 3 months before releasing 13" rMBP, when most students and impatient customers bought the 15" already [primary because it has Retina display].
P.S. This is kind of nasty move by Apple. They knew that not many people, especially students, would buy 15" rMBP, so they released it 3 months before releasing 13" rMBP, when most students and impatient customers bought the 15" already [primary because it has Retina display].
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I really don't get these people who post comments along the lines of "forget x product, I want rumours about y product!"
Do these people think Macrumors has a bunch of stories about their preferred product but is refusing to tell us? Like they'll read that comment and go "Oh, you want rumours about that?! Well, in that case, here's some we've been sitting on".
Do these people think Macrumors has a bunch of stories about their preferred product but is refusing to tell us? Like they'll read that comment and go "Oh, you want rumours about that?! Well, in that case, here's some we've been sitting on".
"The OS and/or drivers are/is not properly coded to handle the increased pixel resolution. "
1. How sure are you it's a software problem?
2. If they are going to be releasing the 13" rMBP very soon, is Apple going to be able to rectify the software in time for release?
I highly doubt that either this was their thought process or that "most students and impatient customers" have purchased a 15" rMBP.
Why are some people so eager to imagine some kind of nefarious plot when the truth is far more likely to be that some products take longer to design and build?
Well, the current Air is almost as fast as this year's cheapest 13" Pro. If retina version is on its way, why not to discontinue the non-retina 13" Pro? Having 3 13" laptops which compete one another at a time is.
a) very un-apple
b) rubbish
My estimate is that all non-retina MacBook Pros will disappear within a year and their retina siblings will slightly drop in price.
a) very un-apple
b) rubbish
My estimate is that all non-retina MacBook Pros will disappear within a year and their retina siblings will slightly drop in price.
New Mac again??
Wecjustchad the New Macbook pro lone up with Ivy Bridge this year.... My mind must be going.
Givin Plle us dien to one Macbook Pro *without* Retina left, will this be a slow trend for Apple to eventually kill this ine too?
The've done this with the previous MBA's, or will there always be a 15-inch with internal optical drive?
Givin' the fact, that Apples clearly going tiwards the Utra-books.
A Retina on a 13-inch though way too small. It would be like these customized screens Apple sells at ourcbase... You can change the laptop screen of a 15-inch to 1600x ... resolution for extra... Pn a 15- it probably is ok, but a 13-inch making it Retina is just ginna make users user less of theie Macs since they will quickly get eye strain.
Apple may say "You can't see individual pixels", but if Apple keeps this trend by better resolution on a smallercscreen, this will mean people will probably be using rheir Retina less and less, since they get headaches or eye fatiuge.
Wecjustchad the New Macbook pro lone up with Ivy Bridge this year.... My mind must be going.
Givin Plle us dien to one Macbook Pro *without* Retina left, will this be a slow trend for Apple to eventually kill this ine too?
The've done this with the previous MBA's, or will there always be a 15-inch with internal optical drive?
Givin' the fact, that Apples clearly going tiwards the Utra-books.
A Retina on a 13-inch though way too small. It would be like these customized screens Apple sells at ourcbase... You can change the laptop screen of a 15-inch to 1600x ... resolution for extra... Pn a 15- it probably is ok, but a 13-inch making it Retina is just ginna make users user less of theie Macs since they will quickly get eye strain.
Apple may say "You can't see individual pixels", but if Apple keeps this trend by better resolution on a smallercscreen, this will mean people will probably be using rheir Retina less and less, since they get headaches or eye fatiuge.
Wecjustchad the New Macbook pro lone up with Ivy Bridge this year.... My mind must be going.
Givin Plle us dien to one Macbook Pro *without* Retina left, will this be a slow trend for Apple to eventually kill this ine too?
The've done this with the previous MBA's, or will there always be a 15-inch with internal optical drive?
Givin' the fact, that Apples clearly going tiwards the Utra-books.
A Retina on a 13-inch though way too small. It would be like these customized screens Apple sells at ourcbase... You can change the laptop screen of a 15-inch to 1600x ... resolution for extra... Pn a 15- it probably is ok, but a 13-inch making it Retina is just ginna make users user less of theie Macs since they will quickly get eye strain.
Apple may say "You can't see individual pixels", but if Apple keeps this trend by better resolution on a smallercscreen, this will mean people will probably be using rheir Retina less and less, since they get headaches or eye fatiuge.
I get all of that by reading your post.
Message Board Fail!
C'mon...half the fun of being on an internet forum is using the zany message board lingo and fun stuff people make up. I absolutely love DIAF
Where is the retina iMac?
Who cares about retina iMac. I hope apple didn't manage to do that, I rather use the computer power on getting a fast machine. 27" retina iMac will kill performance only for sleek icons. Maybe in a year or two.
2560x1600 (or 2560x1440 if they go 16:9) for the 13" is realistic and fair. More than enough screen space.
2880x1800 whatever for the 15" is nice, happens to be perfect for viewing Arri Alexa RAW footage which happens to be 2880x1620 hmmm Apple and Arri seam to be on the same heart beat after seeing the Alexa featured with the release of FCP X...although it would be great for 2.8K ProRes out of the Alexa already :O
3840x2160 aka Quad HD I could see as the next 27" iMac...a bit dense I would say but maybe if they updated the iMac to say 30" at Quad HD and the lower end iMac at 21" with current specs and possibly a 24" Retina iMac at 2.8K? Sounds like a bit congested product line but I stand firm on the idea of a 4K HD iMac and of course and corresponding cinema display...FCP X supports 4K and they made a note of that so lets get some 4K monitor on Macs possible! The 4K display for the cinema display could offer professional features like maybe a dual 3G-SDI to thunderbolt adapter for monitoring RED footage and proper color space...I feel like that would get Apple back into the Pro markets eyes as they have sort of been neglecting power users lately...still waiting on a Mac Pro with thunderbolt and USB 3.0....
Just some interesting thoughts...watcha guys think of my ideas?
2880x1800 whatever for the 15" is nice, happens to be perfect for viewing Arri Alexa RAW footage which happens to be 2880x1620 hmmm Apple and Arri seam to be on the same heart beat after seeing the Alexa featured with the release of FCP X...although it would be great for 2.8K ProRes out of the Alexa already :O
3840x2160 aka Quad HD I could see as the next 27" iMac...a bit dense I would say but maybe if they updated the iMac to say 30" at Quad HD and the lower end iMac at 21" with current specs and possibly a 24" Retina iMac at 2.8K? Sounds like a bit congested product line but I stand firm on the idea of a 4K HD iMac and of course and corresponding cinema display...FCP X supports 4K and they made a note of that so lets get some 4K monitor on Macs possible! The 4K display for the cinema display could offer professional features like maybe a dual 3G-SDI to thunderbolt adapter for monitoring RED footage and proper color space...I feel like that would get Apple back into the Pro markets eyes as they have sort of been neglecting power users lately...still waiting on a Mac Pro with thunderbolt and USB 3.0....
Just some interesting thoughts...watcha guys think of my ideas?
