13" Mbp Only 1.5gb Sata ? - SOLVED!!!!!!!!!

[Joruus]

Look over here then - I bought a uMBP13" and I can't even get through a Leopard install on my OCZ Vertex SSD which runs beautifully on my old uMB.
An install through a USB-dock works flawlessly ..but it beachballs horribly when connected to the onboard SATA.

That's a little more than perception for ya..

Best wishes to you, when you receive your SSD..

Vertex Drives have a history of failures.. they really hate it when you want to install a OS on them when AHCI is on instead of PATA/IDE. Which you can't turn on on a Mac.

 

[iomatic]

Look over here then - I bought a uMBP13" and I can't even get through a Leopard install on my OCZ Vertex SSD which runs beautifully on my old uMB.
An install through a USB-dock works flawlessly ..but it beachballs horribly when connected to the onboard SATA.

That's a little more than perception for ya..

Best wishes to you, when you receive your SSD..

Thanks for the info. It has been all speculation until basically today. I need some more confirmation-- I'm not sure if your OS install problem has anything to do with the SSD, since other people installing the OS so far have not had this issue. Of course, I'll report back with the Intel info, if people stop being little bitches, and see that there was no sarcasm nor any calling out of you baby ****tards up until this sentence. hehe.

I edit HD video.. it affects me. Happy?

Has this screwed up your workflow?

Thanks for the info.

 

[stylinexpat]

Hi, I just thought some of you might find the post I wrote for the corsair forums interesting since it is related to the 1.5 gbps SATA issue, so I copied it below:

I installed the P256 SSD on my brand new MBP 13" 2.53 Ghz on Friday 06/12/2009.

First I booted on the stock 250gb HDD to and downloaded all updates, in case I have to return the notebook, so I can just install the factory drive in perfect condition.

After, I replaced the stock HDD with the P256 SSD; it is fairly simple to do the install if you have some technical skills. I am a dentist, so you don't need to be an engineer to do the swap...

Anyway, did a fresh install after the swap and downloaded all updates and installed all my software. Everything went without any issues.

Once the machine was setup and updated, I tried running it side by side with the MBA Rev. A 1.8 Ghz 64gb SSD it replaces and boy was I in for a sweet surprise... IT IS FAST, VERY VERY FAST... And I was happy like a kid on Christmas morning!!!

Yesterday I found out about the 1.5 Gbps SATA restriction and was obviously bummed about it, ran X Bench and the results are 135 MB/s Read - 95 MB/s Write which are less than spectacular for this drive, although it is not a problem with the drive itself, but the motherboard... FYI my workstation runs the same P256 at 210 MB/s Read - 190 MB/s Write benched from the drive itself which is not ideal.

Now for my opinion, and I apologize in advance if I offend anyone or if I say something technically incorrect. I currently have three P256 SSD's, two of them power my workstation and my wife's workstation which are identical machines: core i7 920, 12gb DDR3 RAM, NVIDIA QUADRO FX 3800 GPU's, dual 30" monitors, running 64bit Windows 7 RC. The third P256 is on my MBP 13" as mentioned before. Obviously all three machines are extremely fast. The workstations are faster when it comes down to very resource hungry applications like AutoCAD and 3DS Max, but they have $900 graphics cards and where built for that kind of work and are full size workstations comparable to the new MacPro Tower, albeit running windows because of software compatibility.

As far as regular activity (Word, Excel, file copying, downloading, copying within the network) I can not tell the difference between the $5000 workstations and the $1399 MBP 13" with the P256 SSD except when I copy large files from one workstation to the other which is a bit faster; however the workstations are wired while the MBP is wireless into the same network.

The last thing I did was install the stock HDD back into the MBP and try it around, and I can honestly say, you can feel the difference without the SSD; so I happily installed the P256 SSD back into the MBP 13" and typed this post. I would have to test a machine like my MBP 13" with a 3.0 Gbps interface to see if there is a noticeable difference, otherwise I would just be speculating. The point is the MBP 13" with the very fast Corsair P256 SSD is very fast for everything I have thrown at it, although I guess it could be faster if it had a 3.0 Gbps enabled SATA port to connect to...

Hopefully the 1.5 Gbps issue is firmware correctable by Apple and not hardware related. Personally I do believe labeling this machine a Pro without a 3 Gbps interface is unfair specially when the previous non-pro model had a 3 Gbps interface, but at the end of the day I will still be reading replies to this post from a machine that I personally think is spectacular!!!

Maybe Apple will give us a surprise update and make this machines beyond spectacular and into the realm of perfect by magically enabling 3.0 Gbps through an update thus rewarding those of us who are earlier adopters and spent considerable amounts of money on their products...

Just my two cents...

P.S. I will probably get flamed for this, but I see a lot of people arguing over technical issues and the fact that some may care about the 1.5 Gbps cap and others would never notice, etc..

I though we where all here because we care and want to find solution? Shouldn't we unite and confront Apple instead of fighting each other?

How long does it take your laptop to boot up??

 

[bcaslis]

Thanks for the info. It has been all speculation until basically today. I need some more confirmation-- I'm not sure if your OS install problem has anything to do with the SSD, since other people installing the OS so far have not had this issue. Of course, I'll report back with the Intel info, if people stop being little bitches, and see that there was no sarcasm nor any calling out of you baby ****tards up until this sentence. hehe.

I don't know where you get this "all been speculation" stuff from. Several including myself have reported no problems with installs and running software from the Intel X25M. It just runs slower on sequential read and writes.

 

[Richard1028]

What I find interesting, is that 140 people voted "Positive" on the story on the front page. Seriously? I mean, I get someone thinking it's no big deal and not being bothered by it... but who are these 140 people who think moving backwards from 3.0 to 1.5 is actually a "Positive" move?

Are you people idiots? The "positive" voters might just be saying it was a good article and are thanking MR for bringing this issue to the forefront. It's a very unclear and stupid system as people really don't know what it is they're rating.

 

[bcaslis]

How long does it take your laptop to boot up??

Boot up isn't really affected by this issue since boot up is dominated by random read and writes. The fastest drive for this type of thing is the Intel X25. From a cold start. pressing the button takes about 18 seconds to get to the login screen on both the previous UMP 15" and the new UMP 15".

 

[kidtronix]

I wonder if they are making it more difficult now for buyers to upgrade their SSD's on their own..

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but it certainly seems so.

It has become a pretty large group of MBP users who upgrade to x25 and other high-end SSD drives.

 

[Philflow]

The "positive" voters might just be saying it was a good article and are thanking MR for bringing this issue to the forefront.

True....

 

[miula]

How long does it take your laptop to boot up??

21.7 seconds between I push the power button and the desktop appears

23.9 seconds between I push the power button and entourage connects and loads my exchange server which autostarts on startup.

 

[baseline01]

I'm as pissed off as one could be about this, I work a lot with large PSD files - but passing up on a MBP for a Windows machine for this - bad move.

I understand what you're saying but in my case it's actually a Nix machine (Debian) not a Windows one

Cheers

 

[kidtronix]

Fair dues.

 

[iomatic]

I don't know where you get this "all been speculation" stuff from. Several including myself have reported no problems with installs and running software from the Intel X25M. It just runs slower on sequential read and writes.

Sorry, I meant it's all been speculation as to whether or not day-to-day has been affected by this, up until recently.


The install issue looks like a singular problem, so far.

 

[Bubba Satori]

isnt windows a swear word in this forum ?

Only when you spell it Windoz.

 

[TheBrew]

Vertex Drives have a history of failures.. they really hate it when you want to install a OS on them when AHCI is on instead of PATA/IDE. Which you can't turn on on a Mac.

It installed fine on my old uMB. Have never had a problem on my uMB and Vertex - but yes, there does seem to be issues that they fight with..

 

[TheBrew]

Thanks for the info. It has been all speculation until basically today. I need some more confirmation-- I'm not sure if your OS install problem has anything to do with the SSD, since other people installing the OS so far have not had this issue. Of course, I'll report back with the Intel info, if people stop being little bitches, and see that there was no sarcasm nor any calling out of you baby ****tards up until this sentence. hehe.

Well.. I'm not the only one: http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=399946

And yes, from all I've read, the Intel drives seem to work (just not to their full potential)

Thanks to everyone making a fuzz about this issue. Hopefully that'll turn up a fix soon. A fuzz is good, a fight is just silly..

Cheers

 

[whatjigg]

They are pushing and limiting the customer to their slower SSD's.

I've been planning on purchasing one of the new uMBP's, but have been wondering (and unable to find answers) to how the 128gb SSD Apple sells as an upgrade option with their uMBP's stacks up against the Vertex and X25m SSD's?
I've read the SSD's that Apple sells are typically Samsung MLC's and that they're going for whatever's cheapest, in other words, it's a crapshoot as to what you get.

In real world application, are we talking seconds or msec's differences? Any body ever run some benchmark's?

 

[Solid Raven]

I wonder why apple did this in the first place.

It's not like it saves power, maybe it's a lot cheaper? But since it could be firmware , that wouldn't make any sense. Maybe something wrong with the sataII interface? But since that would only concern some kind of speed issue I guess (if we accept that it is indeed firmware) and not the interface itself (it remains a limited sata II) or whatever, that doesn't make much sense either.
Maybe the speed limit comes with other limits I cannot think of.

Out of ideas here.

 

[iomatic]

Well.. I'm not the only one: http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=399946

And yes, from all I've read, the Intel drives seem to work (just not to their full potential)

Thanks to everyone making a fuzz about this issue. Hopefully that'll turn up a fix soon. A fuzz is good, a fight is just silly..

Cheers

So, this sounds like it is a Vertex-related only (so far) issue with the OS? Thanks.

 

[kidtronix]

I've been planning on purchasing one of the new uMBP's, but have been wondering (and unable to find answers) to how the 128gb SSD Apple sells as an upgrade option with their uMBP's stacks up against the Vertex and X25m SSD's?

From BM5:

http://www.employees.org/~beetle/mac/macssd-large.jpg

 

[Wild-Bill]

I've been planning on purchasing one of the new uMBP's, but have been wondering (and unable to find answers) to how the 128gb SSD Apple sells as an upgrade option with their uMBP's stacks up against the Vertex and X25m SSD's?
?

it pretty much gets trampled over by the Vertex and X25m.

Originally Posted by vestigo74 View Post
What I find interesting, is that 140 people voted "Positive" on the story on the front page. Seriously? I mean, I get someone thinking it's no big deal and not being bothered by it... but who are these 140 people who think moving backwards from 3.0 to 1.5 is actually a "Positive" move?

Of those 140 people, 90% are dumb kool-aid drinkers and the other 10% clicked "positive" just to piss people off.

 

[iAlex]

What's the scoop?

Tuesday afternoon and no one has heard anything back on this issue?

--

 

[TheBrew]

So, this sounds like it is a Vertex-related only (so far) issue with the OS? Thanks.

My show-stopping problem, yes. But I have a sneaking suspicion that a fix of the Apple-boo-boo would bring the Vertexes back on track.

Or maybe I'm just being overly positive

 

[zsnow]

My show-stopping problem, yes. But I have a sneaking suspicion that a fix of the Apple-boo-boo would bring the Vertexes back on track.

Or maybe I'm just being overly positive

not just vertex but any indiLinx chip will have this issue.
i hope after apple release the new firmware should fix this.

 

[macat]

Tuesday afternoon and no one has heard anything back on this issue?

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I just got off the phone with Apple Support and they have not heard back from the engineering group. I guess it is not considered a critical issue for them since nothing is really broken. They told me it would take at most 2 more days before hearing back from them, I first logged the issue on the 14th. I have a bad feeling that this won't get resolved and I'm thinking of returning the laptop but i'm torn because I otherwise like it very much.

 

[relativist]

I just got off the phone with Apple Support and they have not heard back from the engineering group. I guess it is not considered a critical issue for them since nothing is really broken. They told me it would take at most 2 more days before hearing back from them, I first logged the issue on the 14th. I have a bad feeling that this won't get resolved and I'm thinking of returning the laptop but i'm torn because I otherwise like it very much.

Return it, I would, that's the best way to let then know it is critical. Well, if you can return it without to much inconvenience... I let then know that I'm not upgrading until this is cleared up.