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13" Mbp Only 1.5gb Sata ? - SOLVED!!!!!!!!!
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I'd have to agree with you. I don't really think we will get an adequate answer from Apple on this and I certainly don't expect any change that will increase the bus speed.
Aside from this issue I do think it's the best MBP I've had yet. But I am torn since I do see a performance degradation with the SSD.
I feel the same. My machine is incredible. I love it, but I was completely set on upgrading to an x25 drive to get best speed possible out of the machine and to extends its lifecycle. Especially the lifecycle aspect of it bothers me because in two years, SSD will be standard, and my computer won't be able to take advantage and match it. That being said, I can't wait until a late 2009 revision and everything else about the machine is perfect.
Not being taken seriously.
To bad this thread wasn't more quantitative. The random arguing totally dilutes the little smidgen of a chance we have to be heard. Worst of all the bored internet wanderers who post arguing we shouldn't care undermines the entire process.
Terrible.
*Haven't much more exotic issues been remedied with firmware updates in the past ?
Shouldn't a fix be entirely possible ?
To bad this thread wasn't more quantitative. The random arguing totally dilutes the little smidgen of a chance we have to be heard. Worst of all the bored internet wanderers who post arguing we shouldn't care undermines the entire process.
Terrible.
*Haven't much more exotic issues been remedied with firmware updates in the past ?
Shouldn't a fix be entirely possible ?
no one is taking it seriously because you have all these people starting new threads about misinformation and irrelevant facts,
its getting very annoying.
Just another user experience
I received and installed my Corsair P256 SSD today in my MBP13". Install of OS X went without a hitch and things definitely operate a lot faster than with the HDD. Bootup takes about 20 secs from button press to fully loaded desktop, including the practically instantaneous automatic loading of Safari, Mail, and iCal upon login. Loading of apps happens in one or two flashes of the spotlight (I turned off the dock animation) at most. This kind of experience is sweet!
So yes I am sure that in some areas the performance of my SSD is being limited by the SATA bus. However, the benefit to buying a fast SSD is still great and there is an immediate and obvious difference between HD and SSD even on the SATA I interface. This Samsung 256GB SSD outperforms the Intel X-25M in some tests, lags behind it in others.
Does this mean I don't care about the SATA issue? No, I would still like an explanation and an answer from Apple. Would like a fix if possible, and if necessary I would go for a hardware exchange program if it ever got to that. However, in the meantime I am enjoying my blazing fast silent computer.
Ruahrc
I received and installed my Corsair P256 SSD today in my MBP13". Install of OS X went without a hitch and things definitely operate a lot faster than with the HDD. Bootup takes about 20 secs from button press to fully loaded desktop, including the practically instantaneous automatic loading of Safari, Mail, and iCal upon login. Loading of apps happens in one or two flashes of the spotlight (I turned off the dock animation) at most. This kind of experience is sweet!
So yes I am sure that in some areas the performance of my SSD is being limited by the SATA bus. However, the benefit to buying a fast SSD is still great and there is an immediate and obvious difference between HD and SSD even on the SATA I interface. This Samsung 256GB SSD outperforms the Intel X-25M in some tests, lags behind it in others.
Does this mean I don't care about the SATA issue? No, I would still like an explanation and an answer from Apple. Would like a fix if possible, and if necessary I would go for a hardware exchange program if it ever got to that. However, in the meantime I am enjoying my blazing fast silent computer.
Ruahrc
Ok so I just got my call back from Executive relations at Apple Canada.
No new info, he told me he was concerned and would look into it for me, and said he will keep in contact. I do have his personal direct phone number at apple, so I will keep following this up. he is waiting on engineering to get back to him.
On another note, what I have come up with as a possibility is this issue is about the DVD-ROM not the HDD. If the drive used has a PATA-SATA bridge chip this might have brought the SATA system down to SATA1. they might have used a SATA drive in the last uMB but with trying to reduce cost they went back to a PATA-SATA bridge chip in an cheeper DVD-Rom
No new info, he told me he was concerned and would look into it for me, and said he will keep in contact. I do have his personal direct phone number at apple, so I will keep following this up. he is waiting on engineering to get back to him.
On another note, what I have come up with as a possibility is this issue is about the DVD-ROM not the HDD. If the drive used has a PATA-SATA bridge chip this might have brought the SATA system down to SATA1. they might have used a SATA drive in the last uMB but with trying to reduce cost they went back to a PATA-SATA bridge chip in an cheeper DVD-Rom
Ok so I just got my call back for Executive relations at Apple Canada.
No new info, he told me he was concerned and would look into it for me, and said he will keep in contact. I do have his personal direct phone number at apple, so I will keep following this up. he is waiting on engineering to get back to him.
On another not, what I have com up with as a possibility is this issue is about the DVD-ROM not the HDD. If the drive used has a PATA-SATA bridge chip this might have brought the SATA system down to SATA1. they might have used a SATA drive in the last uMB but with trying to reduce cost they went back to a PATA-SATA bridge chip in an cheeper DVD-Rom
lol....dejavu
Wow - is this typical of apple - we are a week into this and still no comment, is this typically how their support works - again not in particulairly looking for the fix but at least a comment on the status?
I though apple had the best support - I am coming over from a sony pc and just though apple had this stellar support reputation? So far that is not my experience....
I though apple had the best support - I am coming over from a sony pc and just though apple had this stellar support reputation? So far that is not my experience....
With a new uMBP on its way from China, I've been following this thread for days now. And I feel like I finally need to say something.
Stop your arguing with each other, stop making stupid assumption that were debunked 20 pages ago, stop your technical degree dick measuring and back of the envelope physics and start being proactive. If your want any chance of this getting resolved (and that means starting with an official announcement from Apple, not a fix in 48 hours) you need to make it IMPOSSIBLE for them to ignore you:
SEND FEEDBACK: http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html
Click on that link and fire off a quick note right now. It doesn't need to be long, it needs to be one of many thousands to show Apple en masse that they need to talk to us. Send one a day if you have to. Use fake names and emails if you want, but SEND THEM FEEDBACK. If we don't get a response then start sending two a day.
CALL APPLE SUPPORT: Don't make demands that they fix this problem right away or yell at the CSR (it's not their fault). Instead educate them about the issue, explain why you're upset (it was on the previous model uMBP, hardware supports it, etc) and ask for them to investigate and escalate. If you call and they haven't heard about the issue, then you need to keep calling and keep writing. Apple needs to realize how important this is and that we cannot be ignored. Spread this issue internally until everyone knows about it and it can't be ignored any longer.
But stop fighting with each other and start demanding answers from the only entity that has them - Apple. And don't back down until they respond.
Stop your arguing with each other, stop making stupid assumption that were debunked 20 pages ago, stop your technical degree dick measuring and back of the envelope physics and start being proactive. If your want any chance of this getting resolved (and that means starting with an official announcement from Apple, not a fix in 48 hours) you need to make it IMPOSSIBLE for them to ignore you:
SEND FEEDBACK: http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html
Click on that link and fire off a quick note right now. It doesn't need to be long, it needs to be one of many thousands to show Apple en masse that they need to talk to us. Send one a day if you have to. Use fake names and emails if you want, but SEND THEM FEEDBACK. If we don't get a response then start sending two a day.
CALL APPLE SUPPORT: Don't make demands that they fix this problem right away or yell at the CSR (it's not their fault). Instead educate them about the issue, explain why you're upset (it was on the previous model uMBP, hardware supports it, etc) and ask for them to investigate and escalate. If you call and they haven't heard about the issue, then you need to keep calling and keep writing. Apple needs to realize how important this is and that we cannot be ignored. Spread this issue internally until everyone knows about it and it can't be ignored any longer.
But stop fighting with each other and start demanding answers from the only entity that has them - Apple. And don't back down until they respond.
On another note, what I have come up with as a possibility is this issue is about the DVD-ROM not the HDD. If the drive used has a PATA-SATA bridge chip this might have brought the SATA system down to SATA1. they might have used a SATA drive in the last uMB but with trying to reduce cost they went back to a PATA-SATA bridge chip in an cheeper DVD-Rom
I don't think so. SATA-II devices are completely backwards compatible with SATA-I devices. Furthermore, devices speed is specified on a per-channel basis and since SATA operates with one device per channel that reasoning doesn't work.
In my opinion this is nothing more than a firmware bug which will be fixed. The hardware is capable of it (and is indeed virtually identical to the uMB). All three major OS's detect the chip as SATA-II capable and run the HD in SATA-I mode. This basically means something is wrong in the firmware that is forcing the chip into SATA-I mode. I'm sure engineering will figure it out in due time and release a fix.
I have also come to your conclusion, I'm just thinking out loud as to other possibilities. I really want it to be firmware and have hope it could be.
I'm not sure why Apple should be expected to respond so quickly.
It's not broken. It would be better if it had SATA II, but it doesn't, and the product works as advertised.
Sure, it would be nice to hear from Apple, but they may never respond to this issue, so don't put your life on hold over this!
Good post, and welcome to MacRumors.
Some things I've noticed about the people starting fights and getting everyone upset on this thread (and the other one that was locked for the same reason)
1.) They don't own a new MBP or plan to puchase one
2.) They're new or at least inactive members here, without many posts or history on MR
#1 + #2 = trolling
If you don't have any stake or don't have anything new to add to the discussion (i.e. trying to piss off people), I'd say it would be best not to post in here if you aren't going to help. Seriously people, the guys on here that forked over 1-2K really couldn't care less about your "opinions" of what we should and should not worry about. Please just stop with the fighting words, and stop trolling...we actually want Apple to fix this.
And If you don't care about that, then please at least care about the poor mods that need to edit and delete posts because a few people want to "make things interesting". Thanks.
Good post, and welcome to MacRumors.
Some things I've noticed about the people starting fights and getting everyone upset on this thread (and the other one that was locked for the same reason)
1.) They don't own a new MBP or plan to puchase one
2.) They're new or at least inactive members here, without many posts or history on MR
#1 + #2 = trolling
If you don't have any stake or don't have anything new to add to the discussion (i.e. trying to piss off people), I'd say it would be best not to post in here if you aren't going to help. Seriously people, the guys on here that forked over 1-2K really couldn't care less about your "opinions" of what we should and should not worry about. Please just stop with the fighting words, and stop trolling...we actually want Apple to fix this.
And If you don't care about that, then please at least care about the poor mods that need to edit and delete posts because a few people want to "make things interesting". Thanks.
Your very right, If I was to invest in these knew MBP's I would have ($) 3000 reasons to want a SATA2 interface or at least a valid reason I should invest in SATA1. At the end of the day my reasoning for SSD is not speed its Solid state, speed is a bonus. to the next guy its speed. but we all want/need to know why they are running SATA1
Nothing really, just tell us what laptop you have, and check your system profile to see if your running SATA 1.5gb or 3.0gb
So where do you see this so-called "help"? (beyond the first 20 posts).
The time it takes you people to eek out your pissing and moaning here on the board you could be on the phone with somebody who can actually fix it or pass it along to those that can. And forget hiding behind your cowardly email attempts and silly web petitions. Use the freaking "tel-e-phone" and log a legit support call in their database.
I know, I got the only answer i needed by calling, "I don't know, here is my direct number, If you don't hear from me as quick as you like please contact me, I will talk with engineering, but this may take upwords of a week......"
Executive Relations Apple Canada in response to an email directed to Steve Jobs.
Someone may have already posted this, but I was looking for specs for the Nvidia MCP79 chipset and saw on the website below that it's capable of 3Gbps. So can the situation be remedied by some sort of software fix?
here's the site: http://laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=4851
here's the site: http://laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=4851
I think it's just a simply somewhere in the firmware change from 01->10.
I guess the apple engineer already work on this and doing test now.
We just need think how to let apple release the fix asap.
I already called their support and send feedback online.
I didn't send email to Jobs yet
Hey all,
I just sent an e-mail concerning this issue to Steve Jobs. Will post back when I get a reply.
I just sent an e-mail concerning this issue to Steve Jobs. Will post back when I get a reply.