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I've gotta agree here. Every year I see people complain about how heavy these phones are. If you have a condition that results in pain from using a heavier device, fine. That makes sense. But I find it comical that people gripe about a few ounces (or grams) being added for the benefit of battery life. I dunno, maybe I'd notice it more if I lived life in sweatpants and/or basketball shorts.
The problem is when people like you take such comments out of context, and then add hyperbolic sarcasm to them. If someone finds a certain size, or weight, of something more comfortable than another, then the heavier or bigger item is going to be described as too heavy, or large. That doesn’t mean they need to hit the gym, or can’t handle the weight. It simply means that they value comfort over a larger screen, or any other variable.

The man who created the iPhone didn’t want a large heavy device with camera bumps. Those small light devices dominated the market even when Samsung had comparable phones that were getting really large. So, at one time, people valued those aspects of the iPhone.

Just because one person finds the larger phones too large and heavy, it doesn’t mean they aren’t. Vice versa for those who don’t mind the larger phones. Everyone has a different opinion. However, when the irrational comments start to arise like….”I enjoy a large camera bump”, and “I like my phone to be heavier”….is when the arguments start. It’s not believable to think such aspects would make the experience of owning the phone better. As I’ve stated before, all the people making these comments will be raving when the phones get lighter and the bezels get smaller, in turn, making the phones smaller overall. It’s only a matter of time.
 
I've gotta agree here. Every year I see people complain about how heavy these phones are. If you have a condition that results in pain from using a heavier device, fine. That makes sense. But I find it comical that people gripe about a few ounces (or grams) being added for the benefit of battery life. I dunno, maybe I'd notice it more if I lived life in sweatpants and/or basketball shorts.

I don't think it's all accounted for in terms of practical use. It's our innate sense of what an item should weigh, and that sense is informed by what the items we've used in the past have weighed. It can be jarring for some. The car I drive is much heavier than the cars I've driven before it. It doesn't take any additional physical effort for me to drive, it's just a gas pedal. But the physics of it all were different than the car-driving physics I'm used to. I got used to it, of course. But for a while there it just felt weird in a small but noticeable way.
 
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So you “enjoy the camera bump”?. You also love the feel of the added weight? Why would someone welcome two things that make a product, that you hold in your hand or pocket, harder to deal with? That’s like me saying that I love that this forum can’t get its sheet together, and fix the background activity that continually makes my phone heat up and consume power. Love it.

My guess is that you’ll be posting here that you enjoy a lighter phone, and a flush camera, when it eventually happens again.
Odd you say this when your previous post talks about not accepting other peoples opinions. Sounds very hypocritical.
 
The problem is when people like you take such comments out of context, and then add hyperbolic sarcasm to them. If someone finds a certain size, or weight, of something more comfortable than another, then the heavier or bigger item is going to be described as too heavy, or large. That doesn’t mean they need to hit the gym, or can’t handle the weight. It simply means that they value comfort over a larger screen, or any other variable.

The man who created the iPhone didn’t want a large heavy device with camera bumps. Those small light devices dominated the market even when Samsung had comparable phones that were getting really large. So, at one time, people valued those aspects of the iPhone.

Just because one person finds the larger phones too large and heavy, it doesn’t mean they aren’t. Vice versa for those who don’t mind the larger phones. Everyone has a different opinion. However, when the irrational comments start to arise like….”I enjoy a large camera bump”, and “I like my phone to be heavier”….is when the arguments start. It’s not believable to think such aspects would make the experience of owning the phone better. As I’ve stated before, all the people making these comments will be raving when the phones get lighter and the bezels get smaller, in turn, making the phones smaller overall. It’s only a matter of time.
Let’s not assume what Steve Jobs would think of todays iPhones. The market and audience drove the design of the iPhone to be what it is today.

The problem is this: you’re trying to state that a lighter iPhone with no camera bump being better is objective fact. In reality, it’s all personal preference. I’ve explained how I find a slightly heavier phone to feel more premium and you dismiss that as being irrational.
 
I think people downplay this because most people here seem to have ordered the Pro.
There is something to be said about how cumbersome the Pro feels to handle compared to the regular 13. To give a practical example, I can use both phones with one hand, but the extra lens in the Pro makes it hard to find a comfortable place to rest my index finger at the back.
Notice I didn't mention the weight, because while there is a difference, it might actually more have to do with the weight balance of the Pro or how dense the phone feels due to the small size. I'm not sure how the Pro Max compares but it would be interesting to try.
 
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The problem is when people like you take such comments out of context, and then add hyperbolic sarcasm to them. If someone finds a certain size, or weight, of something more comfortable than another, then the heavier or bigger item is going to be described as too heavy, or large. That doesn’t mean they need to hit the gym, or can’t handle the weight. It simply means that they value comfort over a larger screen, or any other variable.

The man who created the iPhone didn’t want a large heavy device with camera bumps. Those small light devices dominated the market even when Samsung had comparable phones that were getting really large. So, at one time, people valued those aspects of the iPhone.

Just because one person finds the larger phones too large and heavy, it doesn’t mean they aren’t. Vice versa for those who don’t mind the larger phones. Everyone has a different opinion. However, when the irrational comments start to arise like….”I enjoy a large camera bump”, and “I like my phone to be heavier”….is when the arguments start. It’s not believable to think such aspects would make the experience of owning the phone better. As I’ve stated before, all the people making these comments will be raving when the phones get lighter and the bezels get smaller, in turn, making the phones smaller overall. It’s only a matter of time.

No sarcasm was intended in my post. Why do arguments start when people say they prefer a heavier device? Isn't that kinda hippocritical on the "I want my phone thin and light"'s side? I don't act like I can speak for anybody else and with that said, I absolutely will not rave if/when the phones get lighter because the small weight differences in these small devices have never made a difference to me.

I don't think it's all accounted for in terms of practical use. It's our innate sense of what an item should weigh, and that sense is informed by what the items we've used in the past have weighed. It can be jarring for some. The car I drive is much heavier than the cars I've driven before it. It doesn't take any additional physical effort for me to drive, it's just a gas pedal. But the physics of it all were different than the car-driving physics I'm used to. I got used to it, of course. But for a while there it just felt weird in a small but noticeable way.

It's amazing how adaptive we are as humans. You see people all the time saying they've gotten used to the new weight when moving up to a Max from a Pro or even earlier devices. Yeah, the weight increase this year is noticable if you're looking for it but if you handed me a 12 Pro and a 13 Pro in leather cases I wouldn't be able to tell you which was which without flipping it over unless I was holding both.
 
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hi.. i upgrade every year and had an iPhone 12 for the past year.. i found it really good but poor on battery life.

this year i bought a 13 pro sierra blue on day one.. and yesterday i returned it and went with a blue 13..

here are my impressions:

1- aluminum design of 13 is to me more premium and i prefer it (no other apple product use the iphone pro language with the steel, only the watch)
2- 13 pro is too heavy, it is uncomfortable, tell me what you want.. the 13 is unbalanced, while the pro max is heavy but balanced.. but steel is not the best solution for a phone i think (so next year titanium?) 13 is perfect with 170 grams
3- 120hz is a gimmick.. i also find the 13 more responsive to swipes and touch... it is only me? like the 120hz slow down a little little bit animations
4- the battery of the 13 is better than the pro and is more linear in use, the 13 pro had some big battery loss.. maybe again depending on 120 hz use?
5- photos are the same, it is hard to tell a difference... obviously 13 lacks telephoto
As an iPhone 11 user, I don’t think the upgrades are worth it at all whatsoever. I don’t use my camera anyway, but if the upgraded the front-camera, I’d be impressed. It seems like the back camera is always the only thing they upgrade with these Latest phones.
Also I’m aware that the 13 lineup’s notch has grown smaller- everyone: wait until Apple completely removes the notch with the iPhone 14 or 15- you all will feel like you bought a stupid phone. It’ll probably include a A14 chip, no notch, pro-motion speed and maybe even a better camera than the 13.
personally I feel like the iPhone 13 lineup is the dumbest line of phones apple has ever released. The iPhone 11 is a beast with battery and power so I don’t think it’s that different.
Also, the iPhone 13 had so many problems- unresponsive apps, overheating it- I’ve heard that there were a lot of problems at the initial release and I don’t care if they fixed it, it’s sad that a phone with as much praise as it does has these challenges.
 
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It's amazing how adaptive we are as humans. You see people all the time saying they've gotten used to the new weight when moving up to a Max from a Pro or even earlier devices. Yeah, the weight increase this year is noticable if you're looking for it but if you handed me a 12 Pro and a 13 Pro in leather cases I wouldn't be able to tell you which was which without flipping it over unless I was holding both.

Aha! That's a trick! You can't be holding both! Both the 12 Pro and the 13 Pro are too heavy to flip over with one hand!

;)
 
I think people downplay this because most people here seem to have ordered the Pro.
There is something to be said about how cumbersome the Pro feels to handle compared to the regular 13. To give a practical example, I can use both phones with one hand, but the extra lens in the Pro makes it hard to find a comfortable to rest my index finger at the back.
Notice I didn't mention the weight, because while there is a difference, it might actually more have to do with the weight balance of the Pro or how dense the phone is due to the small size. I'm not sure how the Pro Max compares but it would be interesting to try.
exact! the max is more weight balanced
 
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Odd you say this when your previous post talks about not accepting other peoples opinions. Sounds very hypocritical.

For real, I was like, "Wait, is this the same guy?" LOL! I guess it's a lot easier to preach about accepting other's opinions when they happen to be opinions we agree with ;)
 
I tried the iPhone 13 Pro in a shop and I was surprised how heavy it is. My iPhone 12 is 162 grams, the iPhone 13 Pro is 203 grams. That’s a decent difference.
I thought the weight was going to be a major concern coming from an 11PM. But honestly after a couple of hours, the weight doesn't bother me at all.
 
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Stumbled across this thread... I also exchanged a 13 Pro for a regular 13 due to the weight.
I came from an 11 Pro and the weight difference between the 11 Pro and 13 Pro (measured on scale, both phones with leather cases) was 22 grams. Not the absolute end of the world, but noticeable. It's the equivalent of sticking 4 quarters on the back of the 11 Pro.

The regular iPhone 13 is lighter than both phones and as a result I find it more comfortable to use. To me this was more important than the features provided by the 13 Pro.
 
So you “enjoy the camera bump”?. You also love the feel of the added weight? Why would someone welcome two things that make a product, that you hold in your hand or pocket, harder to deal with?

Here's the thing: he, I, and many others do NOT think it makes the phone harder to deal with. You know, it's so bizarre to me that here we have Apple giving us 4 choices and people can't be happy with that - they seem to want to attack others for enjoying the model that they personally returned/didn't like, etc. Not everyone has to love your particular phone, you know.

My guess is that you’ll be posting here that you enjoy a lighter phone, and a flush camera, when it eventually happens again.

My guess is that he won't - whether that actually happens or not. Stop trying to pigeonhole everyone into your own camp.
 
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Here's the thing: he, I, and many others do NOT think it makes the phone harder to deal with. You know, it's so bizarre to me that here we have Apple giving us 4 choices and people can't be happy with that - they seem to want to attack others for enjoying the model that they personally returned/didn't like, etc. Not everyone has to love your particular phone, you know.



My guess is that he won't - whether that actually happens or not. Stop trying to pigeonhole everyone into your own camp.
You’re the type of guy to tell people that heavier running shoes are more efficient.

“Don’t try to pigeon hole me in your camp. I love my heavy bulky shoes. In fact, I like to run in my snow boots.”
 
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This thread, and others like it, have convinced me that when I'm ready to upgrade, I should start with the 13 Pro. The Pro is the one with the bigger variables. Will I dislike the weight? Will I actually use the telephoto lens? Will the huge camera bump annoy my CDO*? I'd have a couple of weeks to answer those questions, and I could exchange for the mini. I don't think it would be at all clear if I started with the mini first.

*CDO is just like OCD, only the letters are in alphabetical order like they should be.
 
You’re the type of guy to tell people that heavier running shoes are more efficient.

“Don’t try to pigeon hole me in your camp. I love my heavy bulky shoes. In fact, I like to run in my snow boots.”
As an avid runner, I find that illogical. 😂
 
You’re the type of guy to tell people that heavier running shoes are more efficient.

“Don’t try to pigeon hole me in your camp. I love my heavy bulky shoes. In fact, I like to run in my snow boots.”
Why are you being so combative in your responses?

I too think the weights are getting ridiculous, but it’s just an opinion…on an internet forum…dedicated to phones.
 
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