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So, there are those that supported the touch Bar, and those that knew it was bad and would be gone as soon as Apple realized it.

Which one are you? :D
The BrushBar, and the port minimisation and huge increase in cost were the first reasons I didn’t upgrade from my 2011 17”, then the realisation of the rubbish keyboard, the huge trackpad and expensive, unstable peripherals and dongles pushed me to get the top of the line mid 2015 off Refurb while they were still available. That was probably the best mbp, and you could upgrade the SSD. These rumours suggest I might get another mbp at some stage, once I can find replacements for my expensive 32 bit apps. If they make it a touchscreen, I’ll just live in the past.
 
That integrated garbage runs at less than half the wattage of any equivalent and can out pace many dedicated graphic cards and it’s the first of its kind. It is by no means garbage. Nobody is even coming close to what Apple has done and if they scaled it like they will it will be more powerful and energy efficient than anything the competitors push out. Nobody is coming close to wattage to power ratio like Apple. You are trying to compare things that need to be plugged into a wall and generate excessive heat that the “garbage” integrated Apple silicon runs circles around and does it with all day battery life there is nothing that compares at the moment pound for pound. Before you go bashing get educated on what you talk about because you just sound stupid.
Lol it cant "out pace" many dedicated graphics cards. It could just outpace a 1050 Ti which came out in 2016. Yay, its already half a decade behind. Yes, I concede the M1 is best integrated graphics card. Big whoop! Thats like winning the local Go Kart race, when the rest of the world is watching F1. Sure thats fine, I guess, for an entry level mac. But for a professional mac that is meant to be a a content creating power house. It just plainly is not.
 
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iCloud Drive, a s3 bucket, or a external SSD will serve better. A SD card is not a backup, it’s a flimsy old format waiting to die on you. If you want a slot on the thing it shoi be CF Express type A(same size as a SD card but reliable and durable) or a type B which is still small but used by more brands.
Having a card slot would allow to have “embedded” extra storage, not comparable to cloud or external hardware solutions, and would be a good offer for some, considering the non upgradable SSD configuration or the price tag to BTO.
SD card may be dead to you, but given the broader use of SD/microSD cards (even some pro photo brands-Leica; Nikon and Sony-use it, BTW Sony’s SF-G series TOUGH is even IP68 rated) I believe this would be the format to adopt instead of a too niche one.
 
Kind of, pricing seems to more closely follow Apple's consumer-facing logic, not the internal cost of development, bill of materials etc etc. So stuff like an upgrade from 256GB to 512GB costing $200 or 32GB RAM costing $400 over 16GB. I do think, though, the move to dedicated graphics only is why the 15/16" models since 2016 had such a significant base price jump.

The retina model settled back in at $1,999 starting price after 2012, when the Unibody was discontinued and an iGPU only retina model was introduced - though that did represent a permanent uplift of $200 as the Unibody had started at $1,799 as you mentioned. With the 2016 models, basically they only replaced the $2,499 (2015) model with dedicated graphics (giving it a $100 price cut but initially halving the storage to 256GB), while the $1,999 (2015) model was left on sale until 2018 but not replaced.

So now, with Apple Silicon, the opportunity is there to reintroduce that iGPU model/ $1,999 price point even if the model with the Apple GPU (Lifuka) continues like for like at $2,399. Whether or not they choose to do this I guess depends on whether the extra sales end up being worth it. A computer built around a SoC should be much simpler and cheaper to make than one with both an expensive Intel CPU and AMD GPU, even if it is a cutting edge SoC. I'm sure Apple won't sell themselves short, but if they target the 14" to take on the price of the current $1,799 (13") MacBook Pro, a scaled up 16" version at $1,999 seems quite a reasonable proposition.
Unless they opt, in 16” case, to pack higher SSD storage in base model, and put a mini led display, while keeping price tag. Initial 32Gb RAM would also be welcomed.
 
Well, I use a USB-C cable with my 5+ year old printer, ancient external BluRay drive, external hard drives, iPhone, monitor; the list goes on. Yes, I needed to get new cables but they were as cheap or cheaper than an adapter; some devices even came with USB - C and a C to A adapter.

The only thing in need an adapter for are flash drives and my HDMI input device. There are USB-C flash drives but since I use them primarily for transferring files I still have some USB-A ones. I actually have a multip port video out (HDMI/VGA) since VGA is still pretty common on projectors.

There is no compelling reason to add back USB - A given the availability of USB-C cables and adapters; and a good argument for leaving it out in favor of better USB-C port spacing. An HDMI port's space is also better put to use with USB-C since it has more flexible video options.

Except AppleCare's deductable for accidental damage may be higher than the one for the ER...
The compelling reason to add in I/O is lots of buyers like I/O choice whether that's SD card readers, HDMI or USB-A & don't like using adaptors & dongles. It's that simple. As with keyboards Apple got the port deletion wrong. As with Keyboards it sounds like they're listening to the majority of customers & the reviewers who have hammered them over a poor choice.
 
“which would annihilate any Intel CPU in terms of performance”

If true then figure out how it can run Boot Camp and do real time x86-64 emulation.
I think Boot Camp was the way Apple wanted to get Windows users to try the Mac when they switched to Intel since they could always run Windows; having accomplished that they're letting Boot Camp die rather than spending money on its development and risk having a poor performing version on the M1s.

I have a Boot Camp partition to run PowerBI, but it runs perfectly fine in a VM so I have never really used Boot Camp. When I ran benchmarks the ones for Boot Camp, my VM and an HP Envy with a Ryzen chip had negligible differences; and no performance differences I noticed in real world use. I wound up returning the HP because, despite having some nice features, it wasn't worth keeping around gathering dust. No, for some application Boot Camp may make a difference and I can see why some users would want it; but I doubt Apple will bother with it. A more likely scenario is VMs running ARM Windows assuming MS makes the ARM version equivalent to the x86 one.
 
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The compelling reason to add in I/O is lots of buyers like I/O choice whether that's SD card readers, HDMI or USB-A & don't like using adaptors & dongles. It's that simple.

USB-C ports give users lots of I/O choice, even more than USB-A; and in many cases all you need is a USB-C cable and thus no dongle. I doubt Apple plans to bring back any of the legacy ports; they've gone all in on TB/USB-C which offers more flexibility.

Personally, I prefer having a port that lets me chose between a VGA / Displayport or HDMI connection over having an HDMI port that takes space that could be dedicated to a more flexible port. Dropping a few dongles in a case and tossing it into my bag is a small price to pay for the flexibility. As always, YMMV.

As with keyboards Apple got the port deletion wrong. As with Keyboards it sounds like they're listening to the majority of customers & the reviewers who have hammered them over a poor choice.

I doubt the majority of Apple's customers, unlike the small set on MR, cares about what ports their Mac has as long as they can plug in the devices they want to use with it.
 
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Unfortunately I suspect we've already seen the last intel MBP's. That means if we need intel workloads, it's either stick with aging hardware, or buy a second machine.
I'm okay with the current 16" MBP, I'd be upgrading from my late 2013 rMBP which through intense care and attention works perfectly, it Simply won't have any trade in value perhaps the moment the M1 16" is announced.
 
I hope that incoming MBP will have the same keyboard as was in the late 2015 (not the one that was in 2017). Moreover, I wish that Apple logo will once again being luminous :)
 
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i mean have physical functions keys + touch bar above it

The touchbar has always struck me as a feature designed to appeal more to the non-pro Mac users than the (self-styled) pro users. Function keys, to me at least, have always been fairly limited in context and function. I feel the touch bar could have had so much potential, but it seems like even Apple themselves have given up on it, seeing how we have not seen any improvement in ages.
 
I don't think it needs more ports beyond the SD card reader. MagSafe, two USB 4, SD Card reader and audio jack are enough. If you (somehow) still have USB-A accessories, or need an HDMI output, just buy some cheap port converters or a dock/hub.
 
How is it faster to have to look down at the keyboard instead of the screen where your work is?

How is it faster to have to look at a touchbar to see where the key you want to hit lives at the moment, instead of reaching for a key that is always in the same place and which you can hit without looking at it?

How is it faster to have to undo things that happen over and over again when you accidentally brush the touchbar with a stray finger, because it doesn’t require any pressure or provide any tactile feedback?
It may be the same speed, but it gives it a better design.
 
It may be the same speed, but it gives it a better design.
It’s not the same speed. It’s slower. And that is why it’s a worse design. Design is how it works. Having to look away from what you’re working on in order to use an input mechanism is a terrible design. That’s why there’s an arrow on the screen, instead of you having to look at your hand to position the screen pointer with a mouse. And that’s why people learn to touch type.
 
It’s not the same speed. It’s slower. And that is why it’s a worse design. Design is how it works. Having to look away from what you’re working on in order to use an input mechanism is a terrible design. That’s why there’s an arrow on the screen, instead of you having to look at your hand to position the screen pointer with a mouse. And that’s why people learn to touch type.
Not to mention the Touch Bar can easily be triggered without direct touch when typing, which was a very frustrating experience for me, in addition to having to look down all the time.
 
It’s not the same speed. It’s slower. And that is why it’s a worse design. Design is how it works. Having to look away from what you’re working on in order to use an input mechanism is a terrible design. That’s why there’s an arrow on the screen, instead of you having to look at your hand to position the screen pointer with a mouse. And that’s why people learn to touch type.
But what if your using like let’s say Final Cut Pro. It’s easier, because you don’t have to use the mouse to do a bunch of things when you can just use the Touch Bar. Sometimes it’s slower, sometimes it’s faster.
 
But what if your using like let’s say Final Cut Pro. It’s easier, because you don’t have to use the mouse to do a bunch of things when you can just use the Touch Bar. Sometimes it’s slower, sometimes it’s faster.

Very rarely (and that’s assuming people aren’t already proficient and comfortable with key-combos and the mouse/trackpad). But even in those cases, it would make a lot more sense for the touch surface to be in the plane of the screen. Just make the screen touch-compatible (or at least pencil-compatible), or stick the touchbar under the screen in the bottom bezel. But don’t put it where people who actually know how to type will constantly accidentally trigger it, thus making the keyboard *worse*. And give us back physical F-keys so that people who actually know how to type can use them.
 
Not to mention the Touch Bar can easily be triggered without direct touch when typing, which was a very frustrating experience for me, in addition to having to look down all the time.
Yep. I am constantly accidentally brushing it with a finger when hitting number row keys. The presence of the touchbar makes the experience of using the mac *worse* for most touch-typists. They could solve at least that problem by requiring pressure and adding haptics.
 
Very rarely (and that’s assuming people aren’t already proficient and comfortable with key-combos and the mouse/trackpad). But even in those cases, it would make a lot more sense for the touch surface to be in the plane of the screen. Just make the screen touch-compatible (or at least pencil-compatible), or stick the touchbar under the screen in the bottom bezel.
Ergonomically still pretty bad though
 
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