Apple_Robert
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At this point, your M1 is akin to a Windows 95 machine (as to value). Best unload it while you have a chance to recoup some of your money.
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14-Inch and 16-Inch MacBook Pros: Everything We Know
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If it is working for them, why get rid of it?
It's the same story - it won't stop working when the M1X or whatever the next version is called comes out.
Apple_Robert
Contributor
The poster I replied to made a joke about his M1 getting old. I merely took the joke a step farther. It was tongue and cheek. I have a M1 as well.
Apple_Robert
Contributor
Not a problem.
He really wants the 16" M release and is using the M1 MBA as a intermediary. 🙂
Here is his post: "Hurry up and get the 16 in out already! My M1 MacBook Air is getting old!"
cmaier
Suspended
My 15” 2016MBP is on its way to death. Keyboard failing for the third time (using ”unshaky“ app to keep it marginally usable), for some reason it keeps freezing up, and certain apps have begun to take forever to launch for some reason. Also seems a little wobby, I think because the battery may be starting to swell.
Already bought an M1 MBA for my wife, and it’s great. If my MBP gets any worse, seriously considering getting a second M1 MBA as a temporary workaround, and then giving it to my daughter when the M1 16” MBP comes out. Of course, far more rational would be to just try and use my old MBA 11” in the interim (I use it for travel, but haven’t travelled during covid), but who wants to be rational?
Apple_Robert
Contributor
Rational Apple purchasing does not aways translate into action that's for sure. lol
Given what you said, I would go the M1 MBA route. The way you get hands on with the M1 and can get a better idea if you really need the 16" or can do with the 14". I take it the 16" will be for the office desk.
Mr.PT
macrumors 6502a
People who don’t use Mac😉 which as we’ll see next week, seem to be less and less...I’m already trying to justify to myself, let alone my wife, why my 2018 16”MBP needs to get replaced...
Captain Trips
macrumors 68000
I have a 2010 17" MBP that I bight last August to tide me over until I could get an AS MacBook that I wanted (ended up getting an M1 MBP 8/256).
And the battery died earlier this month, which the seller on eBay called out when I bought it, so no harm.
But damn I still like that 17" MBP. Part of that is probably that I do not expect the AS 16" MBP to be any less expensive than the Intel models, and I do like the larger screen.
As far as rational, since when is buying a top of the line Apple Silicon MBP to replace an old MBA irrational? 😀
The Game 161
macrumors Nehalem
Loving my M1 air and would be tempted by 16 inch but know I shouldn’t even be thinking about one
Captain Trips
macrumors 68000
Same here. I am loving my M1 MBP (8/256). But also having an older (2010) MBP 17", I do like the larger screen.
But I know the price will be quite a bit higher than what I spent on the M1 MBP 13" I bought, so I will likely lust after the 16" M1 MBP but not actually get one. 😎
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nameischarles
macrumors regular
This may be weird but I'm one of those people that chose to purchase the 13" and 15" Macbook Pro because it had the touch bar and butterfly keyboard haha
But you're right Apple hasn't invested enough with the Touch Bar and it may likely go.
Mr.PT
macrumors 6502a
Couple of friends still hold on fiercely to their 17”s and I surely get it😉
Unless you really need to have “screen mobility”, the rumored new affordable Apple Display, would be a great company to your M1 MBP.
Currently I’m 15” waiting for M2(hope) 16”, though I find 15”/16” is not big deal, unlike 15”/17”. But Apple Display would be great for me.
The Game 161
macrumors Nehalem
JDuggan
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Mr.PT
macrumors 6502a
Maybe it’ll depend on base configuration. My guess You’re right for 256GB/16 RAM (please) or US$1999 1TB/16RAM (better pro), so BTO RAM would be 32/64 on US$200 steps 😀
Macaholic868
Contributor
Windows on ARM with x86 emulation is already a released product and Windows with x86-64 emulation is already in beta testing via the Windows Insider Program for use on their ARM based Surfaces. While it’s up to Microsoft as to whether they finish development and keep the license OEM only or they offer up a license that allows it to run on other platforms, I strongly believe they’ll do it.
If you’ve already written an OS, why not make more sales by releasing a non-OEM licensed version to Mac users or users of other ARM based hardware to make more sales and encourage more developers to port their software? Windows strength has always been the large array of hardware it can run on and the enormous library of software that can run on it. All they are doing is leaving money on the table and discouraging ARM optimized app development if they don’t allow users on other ARM based hardware to run it.
Unless, of course, they want to corner the Windows based ARM hardware market and have the Surface line be the only line from any manufacturer that can realize the upside of ARM processors but, again, you’re discouraging native app development if you do that and you’re limiting the performance of your own hardware. Plus you’ll tick off all of the OEM vendors that you partner with that want to put out ARM hardware to compete with Apple. I can’t see them doing that so if you’re going to release an OEM version of Windows for ARM then why not release a non-OEM version?
I think you’ll see them release and fully vet ARM x86-64 emulation through the Surface line. Then they’ll port .NET and/or .NET core to ARM and release a version of Visual Studio with the ability to run natively on ARM processors because Apple won’t support Rosetta 2 forever. At some point during this process I believe they will offer a retail license for Windows on ARM with full x86-64 emulation. Doing anything less would be wasting all of the time and money they’ve invested in Xamarin to enable cross platform app development on Macs, and more importantly, iOS devices.
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Mr.PT
macrumors 6502a
Thanks for detailed insight. I’m no expert but I feel your argument about limiting hardware or corner OS, is pretty much what Apple is (has been) doing, no?
I used to work with Bootcamp, mainly to run apps that don’t have MacOS native versions. Personally, and among other advantages, Always felt Apple hardware more flexible as you could run both OS, unlike PC machines (no hackintosh or Linux).
I’m not considering emulation or virtualization as I find it a “diminished” option that is not very recommended when you’re expecting to use full power from your machine.
The unwillingness in using Windows and support two OS has considerably limited my software options, because most apps I use or would like to use, don’t bother to make MacOS versions, as you could use Bootcamp. I’m truly wishing the allure of the performance of Apple silicon we’ve been seeing on first batch may help to change the tide...
So awkwardly I’m surrealist hoping Microsoft opts for not porting Windows to ARM MacOS, and reserves it for its Surface program (maybe also making their own chips, and providing it in OEM bundle to PC makers?), so developers are “forced” to make ARM MacOS versions of their Apps.
Naturally I suspect you’re right on this subject, and this won’t happen, because, besides the points you’ve made, it would be “too bold” for Microsoft to make such move (I see it as “going Apple”..)
BradMacPro
macrumors regular
Maybe the history of Microsoft will help. PC-DOS was for the OEM, IBM and MS-DOS was for everyone else before there was anyone else.
ziriko
macrumors member
Oh yeah, but you talk about a corporate computer. So that’s a completely different story. That’s another reason it should be optional!
ziriko
macrumors member
There’s no reason to keep old tech around just because there’s a bunch of stubborn ppl who don’t have a USB-C compatible monitor.
I'm really upset with Apple here. I have a 13-inch 2019 MBP. It should be a great system, and it mostly is. But I've had nothing but problems with the stupid keyboard. So, I want to trade it in on a 16 inch ARM model. The problem is that Apple is evidently planning on a bunch of really delicious ARM systems. I mean, do I get the 14 inch? Or the 16? Or the Air? Dang, I can't choose. ALL these systems sure look great to me. I wish Apple would ship only 1 system. That would make my life much easier. I was all set on the 16 incher, but the 14... geez, that sounds nice. But, heck, the Air is a perfect form factor for me, and with an ARM processor, it's really not very far from a Pro. I just don't know what connection ports it will have. I'd like to go back to a MagSafe.
Anyway, I think the Air is best. But... the 14 incher is really nice. But I want a 16. I've had a few of them, and they are really great. But... gads.
Anyway, I think the Air is best. But... the 14 incher is really nice. But I want a 16. I've had a few of them, and they are really great. But... gads.
Apple_Robert
Contributor
The logical thing to do is wait and see if new M series 14" and 16" are released later this year. If they are, compare those with the M1 MBA and then pick which one best fits your current needs and budget.
