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I wouldn't bet on prices being cheaper and a prime example of that is the MBA the price is still the same with the custom silicon and the devices are really not that expensive where they are priced now. Touch Bar or not the 16" MBP would have still been the same price as well as I cannot see them lowering the price of the entry level MBP without a Touch Bar to any where in the sub 1000 range.

Apple isn't HP and actually cares about it's margins. Versus HP where there are dozens of SKU's and they are a loss leader. In regards to Touch Bar I highly doubt they will be getting rid of it completely considering there is that patent for the keyboard that has customize keys on it floating around which would be something that would be in the same family as Touch Bar.

I think some models will have Touch Bar and some won't and also real talk here if price is a concern for someone then they probably should not own an Apple product then and should stay in their lane and go to a budget brand.
Certainly for the 16" there's the potential for massive simplification, and they could completely remove the dGPU from the base model while retaining good graphics performance. Whether those savings will be passed on or reinvested into other components is another question, but I would say $1,999 (as it was until 2016) is probably possible without compromising on margins.
 
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If the M1 MBPs can deal with the heat from a large external display, I might be back in the laptop market. Burned up too many MBP logic boards in the past driving a 30" ACD … went to an iMac. :confused:
 
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I will be glad that I skipped this dongle/bar cicle entirely!
Yes, but now we’re stuck with big Sur, etc, so it could be a while before we get a good OS again, if ever. I’m still rocking a lot of 32 bit stuff as I’m still resisting subscription models, especially Adobe.
 
I wouldn't bet on prices being cheaper and a prime example of that is the MBA the price is still the same with the custom silicon and the devices are really not that expensive where they are priced now. Touch Bar or not the 16" MBP would have still been the same price as well as I cannot see them lowering the price of the entry level MBP without a Touch Bar to any where in the sub 1000 range.

Apple isn't HP and actually cares about it's margins. Versus HP where there are dozens of SKU's and they are a loss leader. In regards to Touch Bar I highly doubt they will be getting rid of it completely considering there is that patent for the keyboard that has customize keys on it floating around which would be something that would be in the same family as Touch Bar.

I think some models will have Touch Bar and some won't and also real talk here if price is a concern for someone then they probably should not own an Apple product then and should stay in their lane and go to a budget brand.
$2400 for a base 16" MBP is too much.
 
What’s so magical about 3 pounds? Would you not even be interested if it were 3.1 pounds but had a 24 hour pattern life so you could leave your falf pound charger at home or your iPhone too if you could use your Apple Watch as your primary cell phone connection?
3.1 is close, but if that's ok, then 3.2 should be fine. If 3.2 is ok then 3.3 should be fine. By induction, if it weighs 100 lb, it will be OK. So, at what point does the straw break the camel's back? For me that magic number is 3 lb because that's what the current MBP weighs. I would actually prefer that it be < 3 lb. IMO, even the current MBA at 2.8 lb is on the heavy side.
 
I wonder if Apple were to make 2 models, one without touch bar and one with touch bar and $100-$200 more expensive what the sales ratio for each would be?
I did a relevant poll a while back.
If there is a premium for the touch bar, I think the ratio will definitely tilt towards the non touch bar model.
 
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If the M1 MBPs can deal with the heat from a large external display, I might be back in the laptop market. Burned up too many MBP logic boards in the past driving a 30" ACD … went to an iMac. :confused:
My beloved “late” 2011 17” just toasted its dGPU and I’m devastated. I could try replacing it with the 15”, but the compact display irritates me. It was the last good machine that could run 10.6.
 
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My beloved “late” 2011 17” just toasted its dGPU and I’m devastated. I could try replacing it with the 15”, but the compact display irritates me. It was the last good machine that could run 10.6.
I think a new 16" with retina would be a pretty sweet replacement. That razor sharp resolution just feels more spacious IMO.
 
Certainly for the 16" there's the potential for massive simplification, and they could completely remove the dGPU from the base model while retaining good graphics performance. Whether those savings will be passed on or reinvested into other components is another question, but I would say $1,999 (as it was until 2016) is probably possible without compromising on margins.
I disagree because this is not 2016 and the price for the hardware seems fine to me but we shall see what Apple decides to do.
 
My beloved “late” 2011 17” just toasted its dGPU and I’m devastated. I could try replacing it with the 15”, but the compact display irritates me. It was the last good machine that could run 10.6.
I had multiple failures on two different 15" MBPs. (The infamous issues with the thermal paste.) Fortunately Apple Care covered most of them, but what a hassle.
 
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I wonder if Apple were to make 2 models, one without touch bar and one with touch bar and $100-$200 more expensive what the sales ratio for each would be?
Too little too late. The BrushBar, the garbage keyboard, missing MagSafe and limited ports put the cost up over 50%+ over the previous gens and that’s not including what needed to be spent on dongles and other unstable peripherals. The promise of USBC/thunderbolt never materialised. Now we’re stuck with an iOSified Mac which is less stable with hidden or deprecated functionality and display/window chrome dominating the screen real estate. Never mind the entitleds whining about lack of touchscreen that will make it barely more useful than iPads. If you want touch, use a bloody iPad.
 
Don't mind extra ports - as long as they keep 4 x USB-C and no messing with the headphone jack.

With you on the USB C. Headphone is nice but if gviong it up means more ports I'd be OK with that.
The wants for MBA 2021/22: M2, 14" (rounded display corners), SD Card slot, MagSafe (with charge-status light + cable management), 2 USBc, 1 USBa, headphone jack.

My 2015 MBA: i7, 13.3" (squared display corners), SD Card slot, MagSafe (with charge-status light + cable management), 2 USBa, 1 display port, headphone jack.

Hope the rumors of square edges is true.

Skip Displayport. With USB C an and adapter you can get video out (and in) easily.

Interesting. I haven't missed the MagSafe port--especially the way it seemed to degrade the connector over time. I really like how the current version allows the cable to detach from the brick. That reduces the wear and tear when it's tucked away in a travel bag. Still annoyed having to hunt for USB-A adapters.
Sdame here. Add MagSafe but keepp USB C charging.

Bring the SD port back FFS. There was no reason to get rid of that IMO.


SD would be useful; especially with some variant of mini SD adapter that is flush with the edge. I used that on my last Mac with SD and with a 128gb card and CCC would do hourly backups.
The old MagSafe is unlikely, this'll be for charging your devices from the MacBook. In a world of 20 hour battery life laptops that can quickly charge from USB-C, why would we go back a decade?

Adding more TB3/USB-C ports will be welcome and perhaps a dual CF Express A and B reader, though Nikon and Canon have went for type B so type A would only be for the semi-pros and enthusiasts that can/want to use Sony cameras.
I doubt we CF as that is pretty much relegated to serious photography. Why add a port 99% of the purchasers don't need and probably don't even know what it is.

The only other logical port to add would be a 2.5/5/10 Gbps Ethernet port.

Why? It makes the laptop thicker and you can easily use an adpater iif you need it.
 
Yes, thank you. I still cannot un-see it. Apple users pay more attention to detail and symmetry than Apple themselves nowadays.

I can't believe even frigging Dell can do a better job in designing laptop monitors.

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Small though plastic (FHD+) bezels are the only good thing about these machines. I had mine returned.
 
I am all for "minor design tweaks", I think the MacBook Pro design is pretty much as fresh today as it was when the first unibodies were introduced, they just look classy, so some light updates just to keep things fresh would be appreciated, but don't go overboard.

But for the love of Jobs don't just make things thinner for the sake of making things thinner if it's going to negatively impact performance/battery/ergonomics (even though the first two are stellar with the M1 now). The Pro vs Air has shown that the M1 benefits from the extra space and cooling, so in a Pro machine we want performance rather than compromises above all else.
 
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Explain why you hope for this? The past Mac MagSafe worked perfectly. The only reason why iPhone is done the way is they can't fit a typical MagSafe port on the bottom of it, and even more so with Lightning there. Macs have never of these issues, so a small magnet cable makes much more sense than the iPhone-like MagSafe design.
You can also get more juice through direct as opposed to inductive charging . . .
 
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