iPhone 14 Pro 14 Pro camera looses to android phones.

[OneBar]

Night Mode on iPhone does stacking natively.

“The way Night Mode works is to take multiple exposures and stack them.”

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Maybe but I'm not so sure for longer exposures. I doubt it's stacking on a 30 second exposure as that would require major cropping in post for star movement.

 

[PeteS1963]

Maybe but I'm not so sure for longer exposures. I doubt it's stacking on a 30 second exposure as that would require major cropping in post for star movement.

Yes, Night Mode does some basic stacking for 30 second exposures. In the past I’ve taken loads. If you select a 30 second “exposure” I know that the iPhone 12 in Night Mode will stack nine 3.3 second exposures. Not sure if it’s exactly the same in the iPhone 14 (haven’t looked in detail yet) but it’ll stack.

 

[OneBar]

Yes, Night Mode does some basic stacking for 30 second exposures. In the past I’ve taken loads. If you select a 30 second “exposure” I know that the iPhone 12 in Night Mode will stack nine 3.3 second exposures. Not sure if it’s exactly the same in the iPhone 14 (haven’t looked in detail yet) but it’ll stack.

Running through the process in my head of shooting manually for a stack, it would have to be a stack at 30 seconds, but either it doesn't crop the final or it's a small crop. Now I need to test if it's clear tonight. 30 seconds is enough that unless the sensor is moved, you'd experience rotation and trailing of stars.

 

[PeteS1963]

Running through the process in my head of shooting manually for a stack, it would have to be a stack at 30 seconds, but either it doesn't crop the final or it's a small crop. Now I need to test if it's clear tonight. 30 seconds is enough that unless the sensor is moved, you'd experience rotation and trailing of stars.

Yes, you’ll get some slight star trailing. As far as I can tell Night Mode hasn’t been designed specifically for astrophotography.

 

[ToddH]

During a 30 second exposure (14 pro max), the stars will Trail a little bit as the camera and software will stack three 10 second exposures to help with reduction of noise and the signal to noise ratio. I have a Skywatcher star adventurer that I can quickly set up and put my phone on to track the night sky so that I will not get any star trails at all. this is a result of that. ProRAW and edited in Pixelmator & Lightroom.

Sky-Watcher Star Adventurer 2i Pro Pack – Motorized DSLR Night Sky Tracker Equatorial Mount for Portable Nightscapes, Time-Lapse and Panoramas – Wi-Fi App Camera Control – Long Exposure (S20512) https://a.co/d/aNv5kC8

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[PeteS1963]

@ToddH, which phone were the above pictures taken with?

 

[ToddH]

@ToddH, which phone were the above pictures taken with?

14 pro max. I’ll edit the post and add that info. Thanks.

 

[PeteS1963]

14 pro max. I’ll edit the post and add that info. Thanks.

Thanks for your reply. Just out of interest, I took this a while back with a standard iPhone 12. Same part of the Milky Way as your first shot. No tracking, just point and shoot using the phone on a tripod using in the standard camera app. Very basic editing in the camera app. Lots of noise but pleased to get something!

I now have an iPhone 14 pro although yet to really use it to take pictures of the nights sky.

 

[ToddH]

Thanks for your reply. Just out of interest, I took this a while back with a standard iPhone 12. Same part of the Milky Way as your first shot. No tracking, just point and shoot using the phone on a tripod using in the standard camera app. Very basic editing in the camera app. Lots of noise but pleased to get something!

I now have an iPhone 14 pro although yet to really use it to take pictures of the nights sky.

Well, that’s about what I would expect from the 12 pro, I had the 12 promax, and it produced slightly better results, but the much larger sensor in the 14 Pro really makes a huge difference and individual stars and detail in the star clouds of the Milky Way. that’s a good effort by the way, the only thing I would change on, it would be to make it brighter. With the 14 Pro, you’ll notice the ISO will be set to 12,800 because of the bigger pixels in pixel betting with the sensor users. I just hope night sky photography gets better with future iPhones.

 

[OneBar]

During a 30 second exposure (14 pro max), the stars will Trail a little bit as the camera and software will stack three 10 second exposures to help with reduction of noise and the signal to noise ratio. I have a Skywatcher star adventurer that I can quickly set up and put my phone on to track the night sky so that I will not get any star trails at all. this is a result of that. ProRAW and edited in Pixelmator & Lightroom.

Sky-Watcher Star Adventurer 2i Pro Pack – Motorized DSLR Night Sky Tracker Equatorial Mount for Portable Nightscapes, Time-Lapse and Panoramas – Wi-Fi App Camera Control – Long Exposure (S20512) https://a.co/d/aNv5kC8



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Yeah I really want a Sky-Watcher but I can't justify the price as an amateur hobbyist. That's my favorite of your shots. Is that the LMC or Andromeda, not recalling my astro currently.

Yes, you’ll get some slight star trailing. As far as I can tell Night Mode hasn’t been designed specifically for astrophotography.

That's part of what's confusing. At a full 30 seconds I don't get any trailing on my phone like I do my K70 DSLR. Yet it doesn't seem as if the shot is cropped because of overlap. That's what I need to check but I don't have any long exposures on my phone currently.

 

[ToddH]

Yeah I really want a Sky-Watcher but I can't justify the price as an amateur hobbyist. That's my favorite of your shots. Is that the LMC or Andromeda, not recalling my astro currently.


That's part of what's confusing. At a full 30 seconds I don't get any trailing on my phone like I do my K70 DSLR. Yet it doesn't seem as if the shot is cropped because of overlap. That's what I need to check but I don't have any long exposures on my phone currently.

The galaxy that you’re inquiring about is the Andromeda galaxy. I wish I can see the LMC from here, but it’s a southern sky object, and it never clears the horizon for the northern hemisphere. there are probably other options available for star trackers like the Ioptron and since the exposures are only going to be up to 30 seconds on the iphone, Google / YouTube the barn door tracker and build a tracker that you control by hand. I used to use those all the time with my DSLR before getting something motorized. they only cost about $15 to build.

 

[ToddH]

iPhone 14 pro max

15 minutes of exposure time with the Even Longer app. RAW, edited in Lightroom mobile. ISO 800

 

[SmugMaverick]

Not really.

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Remember when they said pixel was the best and everyone here said Google had paid them? Funny how it’s now used as a reliable source when it suits Apple fans.

 

[SmugMaverick]

As someone with both 14 pro and pixel 7

The pixel is a far better point and shoot camera for 95% of users who will never edit or have time to edit as imagine.

The 14 pro is actually a huge let down when you compare prices.

Google have returned to the top of the camera wars again.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

As someone with both 14 pro and pixel 7

The pixel is a far better point and shoot camera for 95% of users who will never edit or have time to edit as imagine.

The 14 pro is actually a huge let down when you compare prices.

Google have returned to the top of the camera wars again.

The Pixel 7 is a very nice phone, my brother moved to it after over a decade using iPhones and he’s converted. I think he has the Pro version as it was pretty big. It’s wild to think it’s £749 compared to the 14 Pro Max which starts at a whopping £1,199!

 

[SRLMJ23]

During a 30 second exposure (14 pro max), the stars will Trail a little bit as the camera and software will stack three 10 second exposures to help with reduction of noise and the signal to noise ratio. I have a Skywatcher star adventurer that I can quickly set up and put my phone on to track the night sky so that I will not get any star trails at all. this is a result of that. ProRAW and edited in Pixelmator & Lightroom.

Sky-Watcher Star Adventurer 2i Pro Pack – Motorized DSLR Night Sky Tracker Equatorial Mount for Portable Nightscapes, Time-Lapse and Panoramas – Wi-Fi App Camera Control – Long Exposure (S20512) https://a.co/d/aNv5kC8

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Absolutely beautiful shots, my friend!!!

 

[The Game 161]

As someone with both 14 pro and pixel 7

The pixel is a far better point and shoot camera for 95% of users who will never edit or have time to edit as imagine.

The 14 pro is actually a huge let down when you compare prices.

Google have returned to the top of the camera wars again.

I love my pixel 7 pro and point and still it's still unmatched. The image processing is just another level. Photos of my son it nails 9 times out of 10. I love my iphone though but yeah if it had to choose for photos I would pick pixel.

Christmas day was pixel taking photos and my 14 pro max taking videos.

apple at times just have issues with the image processing. sensors isn't an issue. Depends on the shot more often than not it will produce a great image but issues are HDR, shadow detail and where it blows out the sky really shouldn't happen on a 1200 pounds device. Still it does too many other things well for it to be an issue

Obviously if people use pro raw then the camera issues don't really matter too much but people should expect more

 

[ToddH]

Absolutely beautiful shots, my friend!!!

Thanks… I appreciate the feedback.

 

[OneBar]

The galaxy that you’re inquiring about is the Andromeda galaxy. I wish I can see the LMC from here, but it’s a southern sky object, and it never clears the horizon for the northern hemisphere. there are probably other options available for star trackers like the Ioptron and since the exposures are only going to be up to 30 seconds on the iphone, Google / YouTube the barn door tracker and build a tracker that you control by hand. I used to use those all the time with my DSLR before getting something motorized. they only cost about $15 to build.

I thought it was Andromeda but I had a brain fart. I'll have to look into the other options, see what I can come up with as I could use the same for my K70 and longer exposures.

 

[HDFan]

Remember when they said pixel was the best and everyone here said Google had paid them? Funny how it’s now used as a reliable source when it suits Apple fans.

Don't follow. Haven't seen any reliable sources saying that google paid them. Makes no sense to say "it’s now used as a reliable source when it suits Apple fans" - but Apple isn't at the top. The ranking seems accurate as it is confirmed by other sources.

 

[Juicy Box]

Interesting, but why compare only three photos? Can hardly get any type of conclusive results with only three photos.



There can be biases in the type of testing, and not necessarily with the user.

The high end phones' cameras (and processing SW) typically excel at a particular setting/type of photo or video (studio lights, low light, no light, night time, indoors, outdoors, portrait, video, zoom, etc.), but typically not one one excels at them all.

In Marques Brownlee's test, they only did three setting types, all were photos, and none were video.

Maybe the iPhone just doesn't do as well in those types of settings.

Check out some of MaxTech blind unbiased camera tests, and spoiler alert, the iPhone doesn't always win them. What I like about Maxtech's camera tests is that they do a few photos or videos for many different settings, and not just three different photos like in Marques Brownlee's test.

Here is there latest one:

Looks like Maxtech addressed Brownlee's video here:

If you don't feel like watching the video, it is basically saying the same thing I said in my earlier post, that there could be situations that the iPhone doesn't perform as well as the competitors, and that there are many situations were the iPhone wins. Marques Brownlee's test is not a very thorough. Overall, they claim the iPhone has a better camera.

 

[mjschabow]

Looks like Maxtech addressed Brownlee's video here:

If you don't feel like watching the video, it is basically saying the same thing I said in my earlier post, that there could be situations that the iPhone doesn't perform as well as the competitors, and that there are many situations were the iPhone wins. Marques Brownlee's test is not a very thorough. Overall, they claim the iPhone has a better camera.

Not sure if you saw, but he posted yet another video with actual photographers and the Pixel 7 Pro won easily.

 

[Juicy Box]

Thank you for posting this. I just went through each photo and ranked my preferences for first, second, and third place. I put together a spreadsheet, counting the number of times a phone won first/second/third place, and then weighted them: (3 * number of 1st place wins) + (2 * number of 2nd place wins) + (1 * number of last place wins).

Results:

1. iPhone 14 Pro Max - Score: 80
   • 16 times in first place
   • 15 times in second place
   • 2 times in third place
2. S22 Ultra - Score: 61
   • 7 times in 1st place
   • 14 times in 2nd place
   • 12 times in 3rd place
3. Pixel 7 Pro - Score: 57
   • 10 times in 1st place
   • 4 times in 2nd place
   • 19 times in last place

Yeah. I won't say I know that Maxtech is 100% unbiased in their photo tests, as they could always influence or deliberately sabotage any given photo example, but I think they are legit.

The iPhone doesn't always win in Maxtech's test results either.

Looks like the iPhone is the clear winner for me which makes me feel a lot better after it wasn't in my top 3 for any of the MKBHD voting I did.

The MKBHD test isn't necessarily flawed, but it doesn't tell the whole story due to being very limited. The Maxtech tests are a lot better, imo, as they test many difference situations, and while they do not document it, they tend to mention is a phone had a issues with a particular shot (had to take multiple shots, took a long time, etc.)

It is interesting that even with the results of his scientific test, MKBHD still said that the iPhone had the best overall camera.

Maybe he should rework his next test.

 

[Juicy Box]

Not sure if you saw, but he posted yet another video with actual photographers and the Pixel 7 Pro won easily.

No, I haven't watched it yet, but I probably will soon.

That said, I have posted this a few times:

The iPhone doesn't always win in Maxtech's test results either.

 

[Berries-A-Million]

Yeap. It won the experts and lost a totally unbiased user blind test.

It won with controlled conditions and all phones tested in the same environment. Same settings. I’ll trust that dxo over any unprofessional user opinions that may think saturated looks better than not.