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wish List - 64GB RAM // better GPU // Cheaper.

The current macBookPro's, are very good... looking at a Dell laptop they cost around the same amount,
ok the dell has faster CPU GPU options, but the current macBookPro destroys them on Drive speeds and screen
brightness.

So this update should finally make the macBookpro... a true PRO option.
 
wish List - 64GB RAM // better GPU // Cheaper.

The current macBookPro's, are very good... looking at a Dell laptop they cost around the same amount,
ok the dell has faster CPU GPU options, but the current macBookPro destroys them on Drive speeds and screen
brightness.

The Dell's also offer double the RAM today. Apple can't figure out how to do that so not sure what the odds are they'll figure out how to cram 64Gb in!
 
What do you recommend now that offers better pro-rated annual value (including lost time for troubleshooting)?

Totally depends on the need/requirement, personally I need relevant ports that don't require numerous adaptors & dongles on the go, largest battery capacity as is reasonably practical and legally allowable (air flight). Keyboard's designed with typing in mind not saving a fraction of an inch off the overall thickness of the device. Storage where possible to be a separate module, better still two M.2 slots which some notebooks now offer.

In short as someone who depends on their hardware as a significant aspect of their living, I will always defer to hardware that will complement and enhance my workflow, not inconvenience and distract. As for the OS for my usage Windows 10 is now proving to be the more reliable, with Apple's own applications frequently crashing these days. Cost of the system is irrelevant to me, the value it represents, reliability, flexibility & usability being by far the bigger factors...

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wish List - 64GB RAM // better GPU // Cheaper.

The current macBookPro's, are very good... looking at a Dell laptop they cost around the same amount,
ok the dell has faster CPU GPU options, but the current macBookPro destroys them on Drive speeds and screen
brightness.

So this update should finally make the macBookpro... a true PRO option.

Sadly still no LPDDR4 support from latest Intel CPUs, which means probably no 64GB option (nor 32GB for that matter).

IIRC Intel's support for LPDDR4 RAM is expected in Cannonlake which won't arrive until Q4 '17 (only Y and U chips, so still no H quadcore for MacBook Pro). Apple's hands are pretty much tied.
 
My 2016 15" MacBook Pro is the last laptop Apple will ever sell me. I can accept this keyboard style on a 12" Macbook, but it makes no sense on a 2Kg laptop. And now, just six months after a 3000€ investment, to see they will presumably update the processors and add the option for more RAM is just the cherry on top. I own 12 Apple products and really like the brand, but I would like to wait and see what those reviews of the Surface Laptop will say. I still prefer MacOS over Windows, but I also thought I could not be happy with an S8+ over a 7 Plus, and I am.
 
^No, my last post isn't a joke. I'm serious. This product needs an SD card slot.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple used diagnostic & usage info to see how many people even used the SD card slot. It's convenient to have but I can imagine only a small percentage of MacBook Pro owners actually use them. I do for casual photography and I don't mind using a dongle, especially considering I already have a ton of adapters and gear for my camera already.
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If ever there was a time in history to release a new 17" model, now would be it!

Other than that, those prices need to start coming down drastically.

At the thicknesses we're at now, I'd be worried a 17 inch would snap in half.
 
What do you recommend now that offers better pro-rated annual value (including lost time for troubleshooting)?

To keep things fair here: don't forget about the hardware troubleshooting as in having to replace and/or repair the motherboard three (!) times on two macbooks because the GPU failed (happened to my 2007 MBP, and twice to MBP 2011).
 
It might include the new battery pack it was supposed to come with last time.

I think it's pretty much a guarantee. It will be interesting to see how Apple spins this "improved battery life."


Probably minor improvement. Nothing too amazing.
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While this is strange to say. He's actually right. Apple doesn't care about one user considering switching platforms, certainly when they are still making more and more profit..

The problem is when the reason for one person leaving becomes the reason for others. Present profits does not guarantee future success.
 
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Im gonna say it...but I have to say it....


I JUST SPENT 4 THOUSAND DOLLARS ON A TOP OF THE LINE VERSION OF THIS MACBOOK TWO MONTHS AGO!

AND IT GETS DEVALUED ALREADY?!?!?!?!
For all we know at this point, they might remove the dGPU altogether, making yours more valuable. :)
 
Was a time I would have unreservedly recommended the Mac, today I pretty much discount it, becoming more and more compromised fashion orientated devices...

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My MacBook Pro 2011 is getting old. I would love to replace it with a new MacBook Pro but very reluctant to buy a 2016 model for the reason you state, amongst others.

[doublepost=1496149211][/doublepost]I'm guessing Apple use quote the improved battery life based upon the efficiencies of the new CPU, not due to a larger capacity battery. I doubt there will be much of a re-design, just newer internal components where necessary.

I think it's pretty much a guarantee. It will be interesting to see how Apple spins this "improved battery life."
 
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My 2016 15" MacBook Pro is the last laptop Apple will ever sell me. I can accept this keyboard style on a 12" Macbook, but it makes no sense on a 2Kg laptop. And now, just six months after a 3000€ investment, to see they will presumably update the processors and add the option for more RAM is just the cherry on top. I own 12 Apple products and really like the brand, but I would like to wait and see what those reviews of the Surface Laptop will say.

As a longterm MPB owner, I can only state never buy the 1st Gen as they are frequently flawed, 2nd & 3rd Gen offer the best value, latter generations are generally behind the curve in comparison to the competition although generally well sorted out. Apple should absolutely update their hardware given they are pricing it as premium devices, allowing it to wither as Apple has done is simply inexcusable...

Microsoft's new Surface Laptop is more a direct competitor to the 13" MBP without the noob-bar, if anything like the Surface Book it will be put together very well, equally I would let the dust settle and see how it fairs, nor am I sold on the choice of material for the keyboard deck.

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My MacBook Pro 2011 is getting old. I would love to replace it with a new MacBook Pro but very reluctant to buy a 2016 model for the reason you state, amongst others.

Exactly in the same boat and feel I've been patient enough that now I need to start looking at non-Apple machines.
 
I am not even going to consider a new MacBook Pro until Apple makes one with absolutely no ports to alleviate my already overcrowded chest of drawers filled with their fooking dongles of the past for "coming technology" that fizzled time after time. Give me wireless or give me a PC which will work in the age we actually live in without a chest of dongles.
 
I have a 2010 Macbook pro with an SSD instead of the optical drive. Swapped it out 3 years back, couldn;t be happier.

And seeing the latest Surface Pros (recent announcement) and stability of Windows (at my workplace), it will not be long, I have to start finding compatible applications on windows with TimeCapsule. The entire set up is what makes it super easy, but this pricing and offering is useless. Many times, as a Product Manager, Project Manager myself, I feel these guys design machines keeping the folks in Apple Office or folks in the Bay Area in mind.

Fine with moving to the USB-3 thunderbolt, but can't you make minimum 3 of them? What about MagSafe? Cant you keep that separate? Cant you combine USB3 and Magsafe? How about providing a sleek one dongle with 4 common connectors for the first 2-3 years? And the pricing - keep the same costly $$ as you have now, but include the above stuff...

People who are ready to shell out $1400-1700 starting are looking at some serious performance with multiple equipment support...

As for me, next upgrade is battery and change the power adapter..

One thing to be said - life cycle for apple devices will remain unmatched...


Apple has updated its online store to indicate that 15-inch MacBook Pro orders placed today are now estimated for free delivery between June 6-8 in the United States, coinciding with its Worldwide Developers Conference next week.

Article Link: 15-Inch MacBook Pro Delivery Estimates Slip Ahead of New Models Expected Next Week
 
wish List - 64GB RAM // better GPU // Cheaper.

The current macBookPro's, are very good... looking at a Dell laptop they cost around the same amount,
ok the dell has faster CPU GPU options, but the current macBookPro destroys them on Drive speeds and screen
brightness.

So this update should finally make the macBookpro... a true PRO option.

What exactly do you plan to do with 64GB of ram?
 
That's true, but I find that lately Apple's more "controversial" products make me think "How will other people live with this?" When I think about my own personal use, there isn't a problem.

The MacBook Pros for me, are a great update. Suddenly there's dedicated graphics in the 15" base model. Perfect for what I need. The problem? Price.

USB-C ports aren't a big issue because the one thing I regularly use with USB is my Wacom tablet and external hard drive. I can buy two new cables and forget about it. I never use my SD card reader.

I think about the situation where I work: Video production, animation and photography company. We sometimes use SD cards but mainly XQD cards, which aren't built into Macs anyway - so we have multi purpose adaptors.

I wonder how many people are simply worrying about hypothetical use cases which are either rare, or non-existent?
All if not all then most. I use my laptop for creating software and have literally never needed what these so-called professional users claim they needed.
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I read an article recently as I was considering a 12" MacBook to replace my 2011 MacBook Air about how it stacked up specifically in CPU power. What they said was the m series processors in the 2016 MacBook were comparable to the 2011 I series chips in the 2011
MacBook Air.

Now if I'm buying a new laptop - which I'm going to do - I'm not going to upgrade to a newer laptop that has the processing power of a 6-7 year old laptop that I'm replacing it with.

That's my opinion anyway
If thats all you need for the apps you use why does the amount of power matter? It makes me think people are complaining about stuff they shouldn't care about.
 
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When Apple brought back Firewire 800 to the old 13" MacBook Pro when all pro users freaked out because it was a necessity back then.

Maybe this has been discussed already. The newly introduced 13" Macbook Late 2008 Aluminum Unibody did not have FireWire but the Polycarbonate Macbook continued to have the Firewire port until the late 2009 release.

In Mid-2009 Apple released the 13" Macbook PRO which included Firewire.

I know, I know.
 
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Depending on the type of software you are writing, you may not require much performance. iOS development may requires less resources than say, an application server, or web application, or a high performance game.

For other developers, they may need more powerful components than you, or require more RAM than 16GB, and still want portability ( read: Mac Pro won't suffice ).... Not all software is equal.

For the amount than Apple is selling the MacBook Pro for, I'd expect it to handle the most demanding tasks, within reason of course.

All if not all then most. I use my laptop for creating software and have literally never needed what these so-called professional users claim they needed.
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If thats all you need for the apps you use why does the amount of power matter? It makes me think people are complaining about stuff they shouldn't care about.
 
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