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This newest update will just be a switch to the Kaby Lake processor and possibly 32gb of RAM. That's it. I guess I'm gonna try and get my 2011 17" Macbook Pro through one more year of waiting. If Apple hasn't released a true professional laptop by the end of the year then I'm done. I've been pushed as far as I can go. So tired of Apple listening to casual consumers over actual professionals. I wish Tim Cook would just officially cut the cord, instead of consistently promising their professional base that they haven't abandoned them, while simultaneously handing them subpar machines that simply don't work well in professional environments. These are NOT pro machines. They are very fancy consumer laptops. That is it.
STOP with this "pro" BS. It's not the right computer for you. It works for thousands of other "pros", myself included.
 
Anybody who thinks the ports will change is really out of their mind....remember the 12" update where many thought it would gain a second port?
 
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Apple, please amaze me... or you'll be amazed by how fast I stop supporting you guys. I've been barely holding on for too long, this is your last shot.
That is an amazing amount of money....very, very high...most of their customers are probably corporate customers who have plenty of money to spend.
 
I almost got excited until i realized that i am no longer really using a laptop since i graduated besides at work so my late 2012 rMBP will do for a while longer. More money towards the next iPhone lol
 
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Hoping a 15" WITHOUT Touchbar is one of the new options!

Could they achieve the same by providing an option to 'turn off' the Touchbar and have it remain static?
No, you won't physically depress a key, but this would be the cheaper solution...and perhaps not completely admitting the Touchbar is disliked by many.
 
You guys are incredible. If apple doesn't update you complain. If apple does update, you complain. You might be happier with a windows machine.

Whining like children comes naturally and is easy. There's zero risk.

Making a move to vote with your wallet and purchase a computer from a different manufacturer takes genuine courage.

Thus the whine...
 
Anybody who thinks the ports will change is really out of their mind....remember the 12" update where many thought it would gain a second port?
There is one precedent: the 2008 original (13") MacBook Air had only one USB and one microDVI port. The 2010 update added a second USB port on both the 11" and 13" models (with the monitor port already having been upgraded to mDP later in the 2008). In 2011, the mDP was upgraded to TB(1).
 
Could they achieve the same by providing an option to 'turn off' the Touchbar and have it remain static?
No, you won't physically depress a key, but this would be the cheaper solution...and perhaps not completely admitting the Touchbar is disliked by many.
You can already set the Touchbar to show the function keys permanently.
 
The MacBook Pros for me, are a great update. Suddenly there's dedicated graphics in the 15" base model. Perfect for what I need. The problem? Price.

Price is not the problem. Value is. You don't get the quality and performance that you think you pay for with current MacBook Pros, and that's been the actual complaint regarding those machines. Someone previously posted a link to Boxx's pro laptops. New models start at US$3,900 or so (actually more expensive than MBPs.) But you get to choose 64GB of fast RAM, current-gen i7 4.00GHz processors, faster M.2 SSDs, tweaked OS for your tasks, etc. Pros can pay that, and need that for many reasons, and the hardware is worth it. It doesn't mean you are not a pro, you just don't do what other pros do that need those features.

Rumors have suggested that their original new architecture was going to take the MacBook Pro to current-gen specs but, due to problems with their terraced battery configuration and power consumption, they had to stick to previous-gen hardware until they figured out what to do next. In the end we don't know if this was the case, or if they just wanted to make a quick buck with large profits using only a new case and a shiny-lights strip.
 
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Some here are comparing the 12" MB to the MBP. Two different machines built with two separate users in mind. The 12" was meant to be the SMALLEST and the THINNEST laptop Apple made. By all accounts, it's an Air killer save for the lack of ports and larger screen on the 13" It certainly slaughters the 11" Air.

The MBP line is supposed to be for users that need more power. It delivers, but the lack of ports limits the functionality. For the first time in a long history, Apple has made a machine whose form doesn't fit the function. Dongles aside, not being able to use the device out of the box in many common scenarios is unlike Apple.

Reintroducing two USB 3 ports would correct the mistake. Bringing MagSafe back would be a huge boon. I don't expect them to bring back the HDMI port even though it was useful, and I could live without the SD card slot if it were between it and an additional USB port.

Let's leave the MB and MBP comparisons alone for now. Two different devices for two different end users.
 
Apple's Mac lineup updates too slowly. also i don't object AMD graphics, but my work requires nvidia's cuda, it's a pain...
 
My dad had an 11" MBA and a friend had a 13" one but honestly i was never a fan of it. The display resolution feels like stone age. The display bezels are biiiig, too. - What's wrong about the MacBook 12" as an alternative? I never understood why people would not accept it, except for the keyboard and the slow CPU maybe, but coming from macbook air it sounds like an upgrade to me. - Can you explain ?

While I agree the air is rather stone age, the rMB 12" problem for me is a single port. They are awesome little computers, but the inability to charge the computer and plug in at least one peripheral, iPhone, whatever, at the same time, just seems like a huge oversight to me. Never has made sense to me. That being said the 13" MBP has been great, I got the one without touchbar and have been very happy, probably the only complaint I have is that is is a very heavy machine. Will be interesting to see what they come up with on the 5th.
 
If you look on the site Refurb Store, you will notice that many of the 2016 macbook pro configurations on Apple's Refurbished Store have stayed in stock for weeks. I think if we do in fact see a MacBook Pro refresh so soon at WWDC, that will be a likely indicator of a poor sales performance on this MBP generation. It would be interesting to see the 2015 sales, post 2016 MBP announcement. The 2015 configuration I eventually succeeded at getting was selling out on the refurbished store a few months ago within an hour of going live.
 
I'm honestly curious about the complaints that the current MacBook Pro don't meet "pro users'" needs. Can some folks elaborate on what the issues are with the current MacBook Pro? I'd appreciate specifics as to what you need to do that the current MacBook Pros can't handle.

I mentioned in a previous post that *some* developers at my company found the 16GB RAM too limiting.

But what else?
 
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When Apple brought back Firewire 800 to the old 13" MacBook Pro when all pro users freaked out because it was a necessity back then. Same goes with the SD card slot now. It's a necessity for photographers and low-budget filmmakers right now.
Apple didn't bring back Firewire 800 to the 13" MacBook Pro in 2009, simply because there had been no 13" MBP before 2009. There only was a 12" Powerbook with Firewire 400 sold between 2003 and 2006.

You could argue that they brought back Firewire to their entry-level laptop line (the iBook line had Firewire except for the very first model, as did the white 13" MacBook line), which was lost in 2008 with the release of the aluminium 13" MacBook. Adding FW to the 13" aluminium MacBook was used by Apple to rename it as a MacBook Pro (it also got an LED-backlit display, an SD card slot, and a backlit keyboard). And the MBA line that turned into the entry-level laptop line in 2010 with its 11" & 13" reboot and price reduction never had Firewire, though it gained TB in 2011.
 
... that's weird. i thought that macbook is selling so INCREDIBLY well, why does it need an update after such a short period of time? ;-)

if it's true, i would be very happy if apple listens to people. i'm really, really curious.

I'm hoping that it's not that they're selling poorly but that they're starting to take their laptops and desktops seriously again and therefore updating them more regularly.
 
I'm honestly curious about the complaints that the current MacBook Pro don't meet "pro users'" needs. Can some folks elaborate on what the issues are with the current MacBook Pro? I'd appreciate specifics as to what you need to do that the current MacBook Pros can't handle.

I mentioned in a previous post that *some* developers at my company found the 16GB RAM too limiting.

But what else?

I think some people are unhappy about the battery life, and the removal of the USB ports (lots of users have equipment that have traditional USB). And the GPU (as usual) concern some users.

Many 'serious' users have complained that Apple has gone too far with 'form over function'... pursuing 'thinness' & simplicity by compromising battery, performance & functionality (where just making a slightly thicker laptop would have solved some of the problems).

Personally i find it hard to distinguish what a pro user is, vs someone who just believes they need the latest higher performing laptop technologies. There are so many different types of 'pro's out there.
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