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When Apple brought back Firewire 800 to the old 13" MacBook Pro when all pro users freaked out because it was a necessity back then. Same goes with the SD card slot now. It's a necessity for photographers and low-budget filmmakers right now.

It's not really the same thing since there was no adapter that would allow you to connect a FW device on those machines.
 
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This will probably be the laptop that apple wanted to ship, though they rushed out just the design changes last year. Sucks if you bought the new form factor without the internals .

Had you you just spent £4K.....if this is a major update , poor form apple.
 
If Apple doesn't update it's a shame because their current offerings don't cater to pros. This is clearly true as Apple held the press conference apologies for it and promising better offerings soon. Being critical is the best way to hope for a better product. Not lying down and assuming Apple knows best.

That's true, but I find that lately Apple's more "controversial" products make me think "How will other people live with this?" When I think about my own personal use, there isn't a problem.

The MacBook Pros for me, are a great update. Suddenly there's dedicated graphics in the 15" base model. Perfect for what I need. The problem? Price.

USB-C ports aren't a big issue because the one thing I regularly use with USB is my Wacom tablet and external hard drive. I can buy two new cables and forget about it. I never use my SD card reader.

I think about the situation where I work: Video production, animation and photography company. We sometimes use SD cards but mainly XQD cards, which aren't built into Macs anyway - so we have multi purpose adaptors.

I wonder how many people are simply worrying about hypothetical use cases which are either rare, or non-existent?
 
Im gonna say it...but I have to say it....


I JUST SPENT 4 THOUSAND DOLLARS ON A TOP OF THE LINE VERSION OF THIS MACBOOK TWO MONTHS AGO!

AND IT GETS DEVALUED ALREADY?!?!?!?!
Even worse:
Your freakin' investment went into a SVP salary who didn't notice it in the millisecond (s)he earned it...
 
I think most people are anticipating too much from WWDC...
My thinking is that, with the exception of a new 10.5" iPad Pro (and maybe the rumored Siri speaker): not much will change... especially with the notebook line.

They will likely spend their time:

1) trying to convince developers to make Touch Bar stuff.
2) trying to convince developers to make more iPad Pro apps.
3) talk about OS features or new OS upgrades (mac os/OSX, iOS, watchOS, tvOS)

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My dad had an 11" MBA and a friend had a 13" one but honestly i was never a fan of it. The display resolution feels like stone age. The display bezels are biiiig, too. - What's wrong about the MacBook 12" as an alternative? I never understood why people would not accept it, except for the keyboard and the slow CPU maybe, but coming from macbook air it sounds like an upgrade to me. - Can you explain ?

I read an article recently as I was considering a 12" MacBook to replace my 2011 MacBook Air about how it stacked up specifically in CPU power. What they said was the m series processors in the 2016 MacBook were comparable to the 2011 I series chips in the 2011
MacBook Air.

Now if I'm buying a new laptop - which I'm going to do - I'm not going to upgrade to a newer laptop that has the processing power of a 6-7 year old laptop that I'm replacing it with.

That's my opinion anyway
 
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This newest update will just be a switch to the Kaby Lake processor and possibly 32gb of RAM. That's it. I guess I'm gonna try and get my 2011 17" Macbook Pro through one more year of waiting. If Apple hasn't released a true professional laptop by the end of the year then I'm done. I've been pushed as far as I can go. So tired of Apple listening to casual consumers over actual professionals. I wish Tim Cook would just officially cut the cord, instead of consistently promising their professional base that they haven't abandoned them, while simultaneously handing them subpar machines that simply don't work well in professional environments. These are NOT pro machines. They are very fancy consumer laptops. That is it.

Unfortunately the vast majority of Apple Mac customers are simply casual users, hence the current poor state of affairs with the Mac. Personally given up, simply not prepared to negatively impact my workflow, for the sake of a consumer product, designed for the FaceBook & Starbucks crowd. 2017 Apple Pro = Joke...

Apple no doubt wants the Halo effect of it's diminishing professional community, equally the hardware produced today is joke, albeit very well executed. As for waiting, done enough of that, just more of the same coming; form over function and tricks & bells designed to WOW the base consumer...

Q-6
 
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Seems that everyone who has a perfect working and no damage at all on their 2016 MBP model, they can exchange with the mid 2017 one for free
 
Im gonna say it...but I have to say it....


I JUST SPENT 4 THOUSAND DOLLARS ON A TOP OF THE LINE VERSION OF THIS MACBOOK TWO MONTHS AGO!

AND IT GETS DEVALUED ALREADY?!?!?!?!

You purchased the worst MacBook Pro since 2008/9. Blame yourself for not waiting, like most of us have been saying, for KabyLake/Coffeelake. The machine was outdated the day it was released.

This newest update will just be a switch to the Kaby Lake processor and possibly 32gb of RAM. That's it. I guess I'm gonna try and get my 2011 17" Macbook Pro through one more year of waiting. If Apple hasn't released a true professional laptop by the end of the year then I'm done. I've been pushed as far as I can go. So tired of Apple listening to casual consumers over actual professionals. I wish Tim Cook would just officially cut the cord, instead of consistently promising their professional base that they haven't abandoned them, while simultaneously handing them subpar machines that simply don't work well in professional environments. These are NOT pro machines. They are very fancy consumer laptops. That is it.

Im going to murder someone if this refresh is still stuck at 16GB RAM 5 years later....Its the only thing preventing me from upgrading my Mid 2012 MBPr

Honestly, you guys may be stuck with 16GB until at least CoffeeLake in 2018. Maybe they put in 32GB option for the 15" Pro... maybe.

I read an article recently as I was considering a 12" MacBook to replace my 2011 MacBook Air about how it stacked up specifically in CPU power. What they said was the m series processors in the 2016 MacBook were comparable to the 2011 I series chips in the 2011
MacBook Air.

Now if I'm buying a new laptop - which I'm going to do - I'm not going to upgrade to a newer laptop that has the processing power of a 6-7 year old laptop that I'm replacing it with.

That's my opinion anyway

The MacBook won't be worth purchasing as a primary computer until Cannonlake, and even then, it seems like you might have to wait for IceLake.

Therefore, jump in and purchase a MBP once Coffeelake and all it's improvements make its way to the MBP. DDR4-2400Mhz, 15% bump in CPU and significant iGPU enhancements will be coupled in with better efficiency and 6 cores. In other words, Intel's largest CPU bump since 2012, with all the enhancements of KabyLake.
 
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As harsh as it sounds, welcome to technology purchases.

There is no way to avoid new technology progress. If you want to maximize your time before you suffer the pain you describe, buy the first day they roll something out and hope that's a model that basically sticks for a very long time. Those who spent more than you for a Mac Pro back when it was last updated have enjoyed a very long time in a concept of price preservation.

The other tired comeback that is also true: this is not an investment, it's a tool. This tool will still do everything you bought it to do at exactly the same quality level that influenced your purchase decision. Enjoy the consistency of it still being able to do everything you bought it to do in spite of it being 2 months old. And know that it will still do everything you bought it to do upwards of years from now.

Chasing "latest & greatest" is a game nobody can really win without very loose, but well-stuffed pockets. Buy what you need when you need it knowing that updated models will follow- perhaps soon. Then, enjoy the tools you've purchased.
This would be sensible if the investment done went into R&D for a new and truly better generation, in a company with a reasonable expoitation.
But we're talking excessive salaries, insane buildings, financial reserves equalling complete continents' public debts.
So compared with that, what they actually accomplish is rudimentary if not a bare minimum.
So I would be insanely mad too.
I expect a MBP with power, ports, and WITHOUT COMPROMISES.
Especially with "Apple tax" going into ludicrous nonsense/luxury that no customer ever asked for.
And who got his greedy hands on MagSafe - are those the savings they need ADDITIONALLY ?
 
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I don't now I feel about this. So soon for an update... If they include a more powerful GPU and 32 gigs of ram i'm going to be pissed! hahaha
 
Hoping a 15" WITHOUT Touchbar is one of the new options!

Can't see that happening unless Apple further differentiate by, for example, choosing the i5-7300HQ which doesn't have hyper-threading. They'd have to retain a GPU such as the AMD Pro 450 (probably the AMD Pro WX 4130) because there's no Iris Pro GPU any more.

There could be a realistic step towards reorganising the range when Coffee Lake arrives with up to 6 core/12 thread CPUs.

It's fantastical stuff, however, as the 2017 Revision B Macbook Pros would appear to have very logical Kaby Lake upgrades. Obviously no mention of a lack of touch bar but I can't see Apple offering a 15" model without it unless they do it to the base model of the two on offer, and even then the cost saving will be paltry.
 
the real update for those who already have the 2015 or 2016 models, will be when we will have 32 gb ram DDR5 and vega gpu
 
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When was the last time Apple brought back a feature they removed?
I'm serious. I don't recall.
In terms of Mac, they brought back ports with the MacBook Air, and similarly they removed the backlit keyboard then brought it back again. And with the Mac Pro, we may see some more removed features returning.
Bringing back the SD card slot isn't something that's out of the question, especially since it's a slot that's thin enough to fit on the side of the MBP. It's also not something with a direct successor, and it cannot be replaced with a port in my opinion.
 
FWIW, the software company I work for develops primarily in IntelliJ/Java. Apparently several developers ran into an issue with the 16GB of RAM being too limiting. I'm due for a laptop upgrade at work and have been contemplating going with a MacBook despite the "warnings" that they've issued about the RAM. So a new model with 32GB of RAM would be nice.
 
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Kaby Lake efficiency on a low TDP snappy beast, now if they could make it the same depth throughout..
=fill it with the new batteries & maybe a 'slightly' larger trackpad, on the 2015 13" model I'd get 24+hrs runtime anyways (i5):D

?? Larger trackpad ???? :eek:
Smaller...please!
 
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You guys are incredible. If apple doesn't update you complain. If apple does update, you complain. You might be happier with a windows machine.

It's almost like this forum consists of more than a handful users that all have different opinions of what sort of machine they want, how often they want updates and the pricing of said machines.
 
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