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15-Inch MacBook Pro With Touch Bar Has Non-Removable SSD
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Yeah fanboys are such fanatics that they'd pounce on people complaining if Apple released a $2k MBP with Apple ][ specs... quit whining Apple is all about minimal or some other delusional, fanatical excuse...
The complaints are legit... Apple could have had a more robust design and kept the same volume... well maybe not as many of the serious rock stars in Apple mechanical engineering are heading to better opportunities (though the processor group still kicks butt... the brightest star in the Apple universe)
Some of the complaints are legit. Many of them are blown out of proportion however. That's the nature of anything in the entire world these days it seems.
To be fair while you could tecnically replace the drive on the last years you were limited to two vendors selling the drive so it wasn't all unicorns and rainbows. If the previous had been M2 I could understand the griping since they weren't meh. With the pro thing, the 4k, and big Ps files I'd argue that you are using the wrong tool for the job with your small un-calibrated display, poor cooling, no scratch, weak GPU's etc. portables aren't desktops and Apple portables even less so.
You use Time Machine which does incremental backups so you would already have one. The whole point of backing up is you don't wait until the failure happens to backup, you should be doing it all along.
The performance. Don't believe all the hate hype. There are downsides for sure, but this is still a great machine.
My biggest issue with these new models is how complex/expensive the main logic board has become. In the past (circa 2008-2012), the logic board was an expensive thing to repair should it fail, but at least the HDD/SSD (now worth up to £1500 at Apple), and RAM (£150) were salvageable.
I really don't understand how Apple are going to swallow these repair costs within AppleCare - unless they have such amazing confidence that the logic boards or SSDs won't fail within 3 years. God help them if there is another graphics card defect.
But it is really for everyone else - those without AppleCare, or those owning this model in 3 years time - that I feel for.
A failure of any of these components - perhaps even just the Touch ID sensor - could amount to a £2000+ repair bill.
That is just CRAZY.
There's no way I'd buy a used 2016 MBPro in those circumstances. I predict that the resale value of these models is going to plummet compared to earlier models.
And what about all the schools/charities/children that used to get by on hand-me-downs that they could fix or upgrade? Such planned disposability of this MBPro generation hits everyone in the chain and is completely counter to Apple's faux pro-environemental stance.
I really don't understand how Apple are going to swallow these repair costs within AppleCare - unless they have such amazing confidence that the logic boards or SSDs won't fail within 3 years. God help them if there is another graphics card defect.
But it is really for everyone else - those without AppleCare, or those owning this model in 3 years time - that I feel for.
A failure of any of these components - perhaps even just the Touch ID sensor - could amount to a £2000+ repair bill.
That is just CRAZY.
There's no way I'd buy a used 2016 MBPro in those circumstances. I predict that the resale value of these models is going to plummet compared to earlier models.
And what about all the schools/charities/children that used to get by on hand-me-downs that they could fix or upgrade? Such planned disposability of this MBPro generation hits everyone in the chain and is completely counter to Apple's faux pro-environemental stance.
Not sure I believe that, why would he be in an Apple Store buying a laptop if it was going to be his last?
It's really not a bad upgrade price. Going by your logic, I just looked on Dell's website. A New XPS 13 with 512GB is £1499. For 1TB it's £1649. I can go buy a 512GB SSD from Amazon for around £100. That's a 50% markup.
You don't have to have it sitting around. I have no idea how much space I'm going to need in 2 years. And even though my current MBP has a removable SSD, if I run out, I'll buy an external. It's a lot less effort than cracking open my laptop, reinstalling everything, etc.
But by that logic if we're replacing USB-a, and have to keep 2 of them around, do we also need 2 thunderbolt 2 ports? how about 2 ethernet ports - we might need those. And 2 firewire ports, both 400 and 800. And 2 VGA ports. And 2 modem ports, just in case. See where I'm going with this?
1 because it was so slow it was basically unusable, one through failure, now on their third (which has already had 2 repairs to its USB daughterboard).
Any mac/pc that has serviceable batteries, ram,ssd
My TiVo box is about eight years old, you cannot get them in Australia and I got mine repaired and the hard drive upgraded to 1tb for approx $200 AUD.
My sony tv was about 4 years old when a technician came and replaced a board.
Had pool timer repaired
I've owned probably more than 20 Apple products and I've had various things replaced
Several iPhones due to battery issues, button issues, camera taking issues, camera lens moving issues.
I've had my iMac in for repair, - hard drive and wifi card.
iPod had been in for repair.
Several headphones replaced
Several cables replaced.
Keyboard replaced.
Two MacBook screens replaced
Two MacBook base panels replaced.
That's all I can remember...
All of the above due to faults.
At least the daughter board is much cheaper to repair than logic board. Here's another tidbit: the prior mbp designs had a separate daughter board for the MagSafe and some of the USB ports. The new design not only got rid of MagSafe, but now if your mbp falls it will not only destroy the USB c connector it will likely take out the $1000+ logic board and your ssd data with it. A lovely combination!
The guy wasn't buying a laptop he was in for repair or something and was commenting on the new Apple laptop that had just come out.
Dells increase in ssd also comes with increased ram. actually for $500 AUD i got double ram (16gb), double ssd (512gb) and uhd screen rather than 1080p and my laptop was discounted, less than half the price of the new rMBP.
It's not hard to open a laptop, swap the ssd and restore from time machine. You make it sound so hard.
As for you response on ports that is just silly.
Apple had two thunderbolt and two USB-a and replaced them with USB-c.
This was for the future and left nothing for the here and now.
You also know that this has pissed of the community.
I switched to a dell and got serviceable ram, ssd, got USB c and a, sd slot, hdmi port so I only need a single dongle for Ethernet.
With Apple I would have needed several dongles which would just be a mess.
And yet, do you know how often those magsafe and I/O boards used to fail? Very often.
When it comes to laptops (excluding the Nvidia issue which was a PITA) the 3 parts I used to replace the most were generally the MagSafe board, I/O boards, and top cases. The repair costs are swallowed by Apple because they can reuse parts. If your SSD dies, and they have to replace the logic board - everything else on that logic board can still be salvaged.
This "replacing a big bit when a little big fails" isn't new. Heck, if your 2011 iMac power button (yes, button) failed, it was a whole new rear assembly, meaning a complete machine rebuild. Everything out (even the stand), everything back in. Several hours work for a button. This is nothing new.
No the replacing a big bit is new, before I could replace the ram, ssd and battery.
There are a lot of fanboys in these threads happy to be shafted by Apple and say thank you Tim.
I just had enough of their antics and switched this week.
It's really not new.
I gave an example about the iMac. Recent MBPs, if you break the trackpad, need a new top case, trackpad and battery. The late 2008 (or 9, can't remember) MBP had the WiFi card embedded in the screen hinge, often, if these cables went, we had to replace the entire display assembly.
No MacBook pros have had replaceable RAM since 2012. That's 4 and a half years ago - very much "not new". Several MacBook models have had glued in batteries for ages now (would you really put a third party battery in your laptop???).
Really? I am pretty sure that the OWC Envoy/Envoy Pro has been available for several years now.
There are also enclosures from other manufacturers.
Since you seem to be well informed about Apple repairs, if my 2016 ssd were to fail 15 months later, would I responsible for the +$1000 to replace the logic board or would Apple only charge me $310 to fix IT? considering that Applecare is pretty steep on the rmbp 15, I'm trying to see of it would be worth it to purchase. I've never paid to for Applecare in my almost 10 years of purchasing mac books since I made the switch and I've come ahead in over $1000+ savings as I can do most of my own repair. I've previously replaced hdds/ssds, daughter boards in my previous laptops without breaking a sweat. if I get the new rmbp15, there's really nothing I can do other than send it in to Apple for repair....
So, basically, Apple is trying to make a laptop a time-bombed device with obsolescence built-in.
The soldered SSD will wear out faster than say the CPU or the memory chips and probably faster than the display, provided careful handling of the machine. In earlier machines, you could buy them from eBay, swap out the HD or SSD and be sure you are not going to lose data one day because of storage wear. The MBP 2016 will still sell on eBay, but buyers will have a higher chance of nasty surprises.
What Apple wants to achieve is a shortened live-cycle of those machines to driver faster sales and creates a lot more electronics waste in the process. That comes from the same company that issues environmental statements like that one:
The soldered SSD will wear out faster than say the CPU or the memory chips and probably faster than the display, provided careful handling of the machine. In earlier machines, you could buy them from eBay, swap out the HD or SSD and be sure you are not going to lose data one day because of storage wear. The MBP 2016 will still sell on eBay, but buyers will have a higher chance of nasty surprises.
What Apple wants to achieve is a shortened live-cycle of those machines to driver faster sales and creates a lot more electronics waste in the process. That comes from the same company that issues environmental statements like that one:
"Apple Inc. is committed to protecting the environment, health, and safety of our employees, customers and the global communities where we operate."
"Design, manage and operate our facilities to maximize safety, promote energy efficiency, and protect the environment. Strive to create products that are safe in their intended use, conserve energy and materials, and prevent pollution throughout the product life cycle including design, manufacture, use, and end-oflife management. "
Those hypocrites aren't ashamed to wax lyrically about their greenwashed company and the holistic approach to waste more and more resources:"Design, manage and operate our facilities to maximize safety, promote energy efficiency, and protect the environment. Strive to create products that are safe in their intended use, conserve energy and materials, and prevent pollution throughout the product life cycle including design, manufacture, use, and end-oflife management. "
"In June 2013, Apple CEO Tim Cook appointed Lisa P. Jackson as Vice President, Environmental Initiatives. The Office of Environmental Initiatives works with teams from across Apple to set strategy, engage stakeholders, and communicate progress."
"Lisa, who is now Vice President, Environment, Policy and Social Initiatives, reports to the CEO. Our integrated approach means that decisions about environmental issues are reviewed at the highest levels of the company. Executive Team members regularly review each new product during its development, focusing on material and design choices, the supply chain, packaging, and product energy efficiency."
Reminds me of the time they retired the white plastic MacBooks and told everyone the new ones would be much better for the environment because you can recycle Aluminium. Everyone basically lapped that up without questioning it.
These new macbooks are the best machines for posting emojis to facebook.
I think for most other tasks there are far better options of you are not married to the ecosystem.
Apologies for the misinterpretation. But I've seen some on this forum who say that and mean it as a primary storage solution.
Well, I did not lose data every time that I had a LB failure previously. I was able to turn the machine in at the Apple Store, have repairs done, and get my machine back and be ready to work immediately. As long as the problem was not the disk, Apple could replace the entire LB and just plug my drive back in with all my data, settings, etc.
So while it's perfectly fine that you are comfortable with losing data and spending oodles of time restoring for every LB issue, let's not pretend this is just a minor inconvenience for everyone.
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Apple performed repairs on my 2011 17" recently, both an LB replacement and a screen replacement. My 2011, 2010, and 2008 iMacs and MBPs all needed repairs also in one way or another (not this year, though).
But, they did it for free (the repairs were for known issues). This is the thing I will miss most about Apple: their Customer Service is far and away the best in the business.
Pro means spend a lot of money. You have to buy the computer max-out specs.
Remember, Steve Jobs' Apple designed computer for the users. Now, Apple designed to maximize profits.
I'm sorry, but regardless of how much good people say this has I personally cannot overlook the bad, because it is really that unnecessarily bad.
Reminds me of a famous real estate developer/tv celebrity...
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