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One would think a professional computer would meet the requirements of a professional IT or Developer.
It also has the fastest drive in any laptop in the world, but you know - lets rile the forum members a bit more
Not even slightly I'm afraid. Apple claims the read speeds top out at around 2GB/s, 2000MB/s and write speeds at 1.25GB/s, 1250MB/s, which is a significant amount below the new Samsung 960 PRO or even the 950 PRO, the latter rating at 2500MB/s read and 1500MB/s write alone; not accounting for other M.2 SSDs out there, all of which can be connected through PCIE slots and have a laptop form factor.
No one, not even the "Oh, this is okay" camp have given one single positive reason for apple doing this.
I can only see 100% negativity, zero benefit to end user.
Is this correct?
I can only see 100% negativity, zero benefit to end user.
Is this correct?
When all they can come up with are excuses, you know something is rotten.
Ask @dannys1 - he will tell you there are no negative consequences whatsoever, you just don't get that.
In end use terms it's it really all that different than a drive with a Apple only connector? The graphics cards in MP's are technically replaceable but in actuality they're not
When @dannys1 says "I won't lose data because I backup properly" I guess he means TM. What about the 60 mins of data between last backup on TM?
And the faff of restoring a backup when machine is returned from repair for logic board failure with data that is one hour out of date, and may be corrupt anyway if Time Machine. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7621000?start=0&tstart=0 ?
I've been there and done that with trying to demo software on a stack built on a laptop and it's painful whatever the laptop is. What we do now is use powerful Hyper-V hosts in the office with SSDs and loads of memory and have multiple test and demo systems configured. We then connect remotely to these systems as and when required: Doing this means I don't need anything more powerful than a MacBook for 90% of my visits to clients
To us? None that I can see. To Apple, it probably saved the thickness of the connector and allowed them to shave a mm or 2 of the thickness of the laptop.
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So Microsoft PCs at HQ for Hyper-V hosts and if client has a good internet connection (or you create a Hot Spot) then you remote access HQ's PC from your MacBook? - to demo.
Am I understanding you correctly?
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Probably not even that, considering they have big gaps between the battery cells to cut down on weight. Most likely rearranging everything would free up enough space.
Apple simply wants to make more money.
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Thanks for confirming this.
I wonder why Phil Schiller didn't mention the soldered SSD in his key note?
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One word-
Disgraceful.
That would reveal that the whole MacBook line is now basically an "air" product:
- ultra-thinness the ground for lunatic compromises
- fast turnaround which implies neither upgradeability or serviceability
- The Pro exactly the same design strategy - only slightly faster and lots more expensive
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I see a lot of people are satisfied with their backup solutions, which is great. The thing about your data or anyone's data is
The point is that if any failure means a new logic board and new SSD, there are going to be a lot more people attempting to recover from Time Machine backups afterwards than previously when the disk didn't need to be replaced. I am expecting we will hear about others with missing files afterwards, because like any software, it's not perfect. And certainly not as perfect as some people are staking their data on.
- data isn't data until it's backed up, just temporary files
- backups aren't backups until recovery is tested
The point is that if any failure means a new logic board and new SSD, there are going to be a lot more people attempting to recover from Time Machine backups afterwards than previously when the disk didn't need to be replaced. I am expecting we will hear about others with missing files afterwards, because like any software, it's not perfect. And certainly not as perfect as some people are staking their data on.
100% agree with your post I bet Backblaze (my cloud backup provider) and CrashPlan's Directors are salivating at apples madness.
Windows servers running Hyper-V that have Windows and Linux VMs running and yeah - connect via hotspot or wifi (if client has it available) using Jump Desktop for "traditional" apps and just VPN and browser for web based ones.
Yeah, I guess if your sales volume is high enough, saving the cost of the connector on every laptop sold is substantial. Be interesting if it saves more than the cost of replacing logic boards for failed storage.
It cracks me up how so many here don't bother to fact check Apple's claims and at the same time have no idea what the rest of the industry is doing. Majority of mid to high end PC laptops have had M2 PCIe ports for some time and can easily upgrade their machines. Apple could have easily went with the M.2 standard even as far back as 3 years with no loss of thinness... Also, the M.2 PCIe interface is capable of almost 4 GB/s per second so it's still not a bottleneck. The 960 Evo just came out and is offering basically close to 960 pro/Apple SSD speeds for only $480 for the 1TB model. Of course in 2 years it'll be $240 while we'll still be stuck paying $600 for Apple to upgrade a 256gb (for the prices Apple is charging this is pathetic and 512gb should be standard on the touchbar models) to 1tb model in 2018!
Space constraint is hardly a factor considering that there are gaps the size of index fingers around the batteries.
All I wanted was the previous body design, with a more up-to-date CPU, RAM and SSD.
Instead, there is this. Thin yes, but a pain with no legacy ports whatsoever, a gimmicky touch bar of questionable value, and no ability to replace storage if something goes wrong.
Long time mac user, not happy!
Instead, there is this. Thin yes, but a pain with no legacy ports whatsoever, a gimmicky touch bar of questionable value, and no ability to replace storage if something goes wrong.
Long time mac user, not happy!
Anything that sticks up above the logic board increases its thickness. An M.2 connector on the logic board would do this. Not by much, but Ive is obsessed by making things thinner.