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God - I really hope they left the SSD slot as something user accessible and swappable (with an adapter) as in the 2015 models.

That ship has sailed, been lost at sea and cannot be salvaged.
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You are quite optimistic, it's probably starting with a 128 GB SSD. :)
The 15” Retina MacBook Pro from 2012-2019 has never shipped with anything less than a 256GB SSD as the base storage. Take your trolling elsewhere.
 
That ship has sailed, been lost at sea and cannot be salvaged.

Maybe - maybe not - this machine is likely to be the first of the “oh ***, we f*** up - let’s revert some decisions to please a certain audience”.

I think you’re probably right - but things can change and something is always the first thing to showcase changes - could be right here - never know..
 
I think if you are a graphics or video professional you are not working on a 15in or 16in screen you are working on a much larger monitor. Hint!!!! like the new Apple Display coming soon :)
If you think video editors don’t work on just a 15” screen on the go or in the back of the station van without a larger display than you would be wrong. There are no new Apple Displays incoming, other than the XDR Pro.
 
Maybe - maybe not - this machine is likely to be the first of the “oh ***, we f*** up - let’s revert some decisions to please a certain audience”.

I think you’re probably right - but things can change and something is always the first thing to showcase changes - could be right here - never know..

They’re going to have to go back to the thicker chassis to get SO-DIMM slots and the proprietary Flash Storage connector in there. I’m thinking Apple is content with soldered DRAM and Flash as the failure rates for those two items in the 2016-2019 have been nil, compared to the battery and the keyboard. In their mind, if they fix those two items, give it a larger battery and possibly a bit better cooling since Intel’s TDP specs are like farts in the wind, they will say, “It’s done, ship it!”, put on their Teflon marketing jackets and call it a day.

EDIT: When the next chassis redesign happens, there is the slim possibility that they make it a bit thicker and add those back in, at least one of them, probably DRAM, but not storage, similar to the reversal from the 2014 Mac mini to the 2018 Mac mini.
 
Fingers crossed for: FaceID, Better Keyboard, 90hz or faster screen, new AMD Navi GPU, 10th gen intel CPU. A bonus would be expandable storage and memory but I highly doubt that.
There aren't any Intel 10th generation CPU's available yet that are designed for the 16" MBP class processors. Those won't be out until 2H of 2020.
 
I think what is most likely is that this product, along with ANC AirPods, will be announced through a press release...

I just don't see how these products, along with the Mac Pro, warrants a separate Oct event...

In addition, with the tariffs looming over Apple's head, I don't think even Apple has a concrete idea of what to charge for the Mac Pro's upgrades...
 
Ok this is my guess, Apple wants the Macbook Pro to be a real Macbook Pro to set along the side of the Mac Pro tower. They can finally create a truly Mac Pro mobile device with Xeon workstaton mobile processors. ECC memory, 12 and above cores and all the other things that would make it a real mobile professional workstation. And yes if it is $4000 it would be worth it. And i can hear it now $4000 for a Macbook Pro outrages!!!!!!! Not!!!! a true mobile Xeon workstation would be worth every penny like the new Mac Pro.

Introducing the new Professional-focused MacBook Pro Pro. So you can be Pro while on your Pro being Pro.

I wouldn't discount this idea, but your information is a bit off on the processor. The E-2176M is 12 threads, and from last year. The E-2276 and E-2286M came out this year, offering up 6 core and 8 core designs. And they are all 45W TDP designs, like the chips used in the MBP today. But right now there are no mobile chips with more than 8 cores available that Apple could use.

The other problem is that the extra 11W of power isn't going just to the CPU, but the larger screen as well. It also buys them headroom for Navi dGPUs if they need it. They could have stuck with an 85W charger in a 15" chassis if they just wanted to go to Xeon processors.

They could certainly do this, but really all they gain is the general changes that Xeon brings over the i7/i9 series. No extra cores or anything like that.
 
Interesting......

At least on my test Mac running 10.15.1 beta 2 (build 19B77a), these new MacBook Pro icons are in a bundle all by themselves.View attachment 870593
The rest are in the CoreTypes.bundle
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It does look as though there is a different type of "Touch Bar" in this model. I zoomed in on the icon as much as possible before substantial pixelation. Maybe there is a separate escape key now? I don't know, what do you guys think?

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or maybe there isn't any Touch Bar?
 
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The “power” button is symmetrical to “escape”, i.e. elongated at least to the degree of MBA2018. My guess would be that it isn’t a Touch ID sensor. Perhaps a more traditional (think 2015) power “key” and faceID combo? Huh.
 
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The 15” Retina MacBook Pro from 2012-2019 has never shipped with anything less than a 256GB SSD as the base storage. Take your trolling elsewhere.
"That ship has sailed, been lost at sea and cannot be salvaged. "

MS' new Surface Pro X & Surface Laptop 3 have user-replaceable SSD drives on a chassis that is smaller & thinner than the 16" MBP. It isn't out of the realm of possibility.
 
Will it have proper cooling so you can use all that power finally? Will all the T2 chip BS and HASSLE be fixed?
 
I wonder if the odds are good that the 16" might include a Navi part then. The fact that both came in on the same beta makes me think we had a merge from a MBP driver development branch into mainline in prep for release.



The bottleneck will hold back peak performance from the card, but a high-end GPU is no more throttled than a lower end one. And you can still push higher quality or resolution if you want with them. What the lower bandwidth really hurts is having throughput to handle high frame rates. It's generally better to spend the GPU performance on higher resolution and quality settings than it is reaching for, say, 144Hz when you are using an eGPU.

But that means that it may not make financial sense to spend on a 2080ti if you aren't pushing 4K, or aren't trying to play Cyberpunk 2077 at ultra settings.

Thank you, it would be 3440x1440p at Ultra (attempting) at 60 FPS or above (hopefully 80-100), so the 2080ti shouldn't be a bottleneck in that case. It sounds like NVIDIA would be the better option then for the Macbook (with Bootcamp)
 
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