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I'm sure if they give it a fresh design and add top-of-the-line specs, which they will most likely do, then people will still buy it. Heck, if I didn't have the 27" iMac then that's what I would be going for. We know size matters, and screen size is no difference.
 
Why not?

The kept the MBA when it was made obsolete by the rMB and the are still keeping the rMB despite it being made obsolete by the rMBA....

So if and when the 16" will be released it will be the 1st step to clean up the whole Macbook line and I suspect the endgoal will be something like:

14 and 16" MacBookPro (really priced out of consumer reach like the MacPro or the iMacPro)
12 and 14" consumer laptop marketed as either MacBook or MacBookAir

Might take till 2020 or even 2021 till the lineup is at that state.
I agree. Having the following line-up would definitely clean it up:

12" rMB
14" rMBA
14" / 16" MBP
 
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This, emphatically. The original rumor was "16 or 16.5" and I was REALLY hoping for 16.5".

The original "rumor" was actually a prediction (not based on a leak or any other evidence), so I'm not getting my hopes up. Then again, the current 15" is actually 15.4", so it could just be semantics.
 
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Since the current MBP is 15.4" going to 16" would seem like a spec bump unless they can come up with something else to differentiate. I don't think OLED would do it.

I really like the butterfly keyboard (my '16 sucked but the '17's have been great) and the Touch Bar, the huge trackpad. I don't need a SD card and have a couple USB-C to A dongles that I bought for $9 and haven't used in a year. If they put in a larger screen that would be awesome.

What I worry about, like others, is Apple doing a MacBook Pro X and then using that as an excuse to raise the standard price going forward.

I was ready to upgrade my '17 based the reviews for the performance of the new '19 model but now I'm thinking about holding off because the '19 with a bigger screen in the same form factor seems perfect to me.
 
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I don't get why Apple won't revive the 17" Macbook Pro instead. Even though this is probably their best Macbook yet, from a marketing stand point, it'll just seem too similar to the 15".

I'm not sure who is going to be swayed by the number alone. It'll either look and feel big enough or it won't. The 12" MacBook is substantially smaller than the 13" counterparts.

I'm hoping the new Mac Pro is a harbinger of Apple allowing at least some kind of upgrading capabilities. (Although the iMac Pros really don't so... maybe not.)
 
After releasing the 16” mbp will they introduce all new design in 2020?
My assumption is it will be a single high end configuration this year, then slowly supplant the 15" line entirely in coming years. So basically it's the 2020 redesign debuting 6-8 months early, so Apple can charge an extra premium for it while it's new & exciting.
 
My assumption is it will be a single high end configuration this year, then slowly supplant the 15" line entirely in coming years. So basically it's the 2020 redesign debuting 6-8 months early, so Apple can charge an extra premium for it while it's new & exciting.

Then never release one cheaper that that again like they did with the iPhone X.
 
Let’s assume this thing is real, they aren’t blowing smoke and that panel isn’t meant for a larger iPad Pro (wish it was). The bottom line in my mind, why?

- Display - Assuming they got the resolution right, the @2x (True Retina, not scaled) is 1536x960 16” at ~226PPI. I love Apple, maybe too much so, but I am not paying $2999 base for 96 extra lines by 160 extra lines of resolution. That just smacks of, and I really hate to say this, “Look at how thin we made it”, which really means, “We couldn’t fit a higher TDP GPU that would be necessary to drive a 17” display at 3840x2400 (1920x1200@2x, “True Retina”) and have it this thin, so we whiffed and we’re giving you the Vega 16 as the base GPU”. At that point, I am tapping out, I’m done. I’ve had/used/was given for work three 17” MacBook Pros and at no point in their lifespan was I ever under the illusion that they were “portable”. Luggable, yes, portable, no. And that was fine with me as I could work all day on just that 17” screen w/o a secondary screen and be productive. I have accepted the 15” as I have no other choice, unless I want to be stuck with a Late 2011 ticking bomb GPUBook Pro. I love the current 15” weight and size, but it is still 15”. Bottom line...make it 17”, give it a massive 4K+ 16:10 resolution and quit worrying about thin, at least for this model. No curved boarders on a laptop, it’s stupid. And no OLED - it’s not a panacea, people, it’s just a pain.

Bottom line - a 16” seems like a non-starter, but that won’t stop Apple. Hopefully, it is something special, but I won’t extrapolate past the graphic in the article. (Hint: micro-led, 500-600nits peak and some form of HDR would be nice.)

- CPU - Currently, Intel has NO 10nm, 10th Generation 45w TDP H-Series in Intel’s immediate future, which leaves Coffee Lake 9th Generation OR maybe Comet Lake-H 45w TDP (8c/16t, 10c/20t) which are on the roadmap for Q2/2020, which I suppose Intel might already have ready. So if those parts do sneak out, base is 8c/16t and BTO +$300-$400 for the 10c/20t part. I suppose a Xeon is possible, but what do they call it then? MacBook Pros Pro? Pro Plus? Pro Max? Oh jeez, I think Pro Max or maybe Max...hope I’m wrong.

- GPU - I really hope that AMD has a 7nm Vega or Navi part they are keeping under wraps that can take the place of the current 55x, 560x, Vega 16 and Vega 20. We’ve had 3 gens of 555/x and 560/x and two gens of Vega 16/20. It’s past time that GPU power ramp up a bit more. OpenCL/Metal scores past 100,000 would go a long way for a lot of people. Again, TDP should not be the driving issue, because thin should not be the main priority for this beast. Giving us Vega 16 as the default option and a generous $100 BTO for Vega 20 is just going to be the Cat’s Ass, IMHO. So AMD Radeon Pro 5700 8GB GPU, FTW.

- DRAM - SO-DIMMs would be a nice walk back, but ****ing Intel still has us at DDR4, which drives me nuts. Anyways, 16GB minimum with optional 32GB and 64GB. That would be a fairly big concession and I don’t see it happening, but hope springs eternal.

- SSD - I expect it to be soldered for a variety of reasons, T2 mainly. Anyone waiting for a commodity m.2 NVMe slot, so they can buy the minimum and slip one by Apple is deluding themselves. I would expect a 512GB minimum or possibly 1TB depending on how this thing is positioned and priced. I do not see a base 256GB.

- Keyboard - I hope its thick enough for the Magic Keyboard scissors mechanism. Apple can spin it however they want, I don’t care. But a 5th Gen Butterfly Keyboard just seems like a huge PR loser to me. Even if the chassis is thicker and the mechanism is 100% reliable, its still polarizing and hard on your finger tips after 8 hours of typing. Please don’t let it be that Taptic feedback glass keyboard. I hate typing on my iPad Pro that way and although there are some innovations that might make it worth it, I just think it’s too soon for anyone to accept it as the default way of input on their laptop. Call me old and set in my ways, I don’t care. You can gloat if they remove it or make the whole keyboard glass, as I am really not onboard with that move.

- TouchBar - I like the TouchBar and I find it useful. I understand that some don’t...I hope Apple sticks with it, regardless. Haters can hate on it, me, don’t care...map your precious ESC to Caps Lock or force the ESC key to stay on all the time, I did and you can too...also, I am a bit vindictive, because the level of whining about this is off the charts and yes, I’m being petty. Suck it up and deal with it.

- Ports - If Apple makes the chassis big enough I see no reason they cannot have a USB-C 10Gbps port on either side, along with the Thunderbolt 3 ports. Yeah I don’t like odd numbers either, and I love being able to plug in my MBP from whatever side is most convenient, but giving up a TB3 port to do it sucks, frankly. Apple gives me a Swiss Army Knife, but then forgets that I need the bottle opener way more often than I need the toothpick. D’oh!

A larger chassis should also have enough room for a UHS-II SD Card slot and if you make the chassis thick enough, an HDMI 2.0 port. You USB-A people can...I got nothing for you. Pry open your wallet and buy a damn cable (90%), buy a dongle(5%) or replace that ancient ass wireless mouse you have been clinging to for the last 5 years with a Bluetooth version, I don’t care. And no MagSafe either, good grief...

- Thermals - Apple seemed to not do much of anything other than possibly change thermal past vendors and along with the 8-core lower clocks speeds banished some of the heat issues with the current chassis. But I don’t need a thinner chassis if you are giving me a bigger screen. The problem is that your 16” with 3072x1920 (if that’s real) just isn’t worth it to make me reconsider purchasing a 15” at this moment in time (keyboard issues not-withstanding).

- Chassis - Hand in hand with thermals are chassis considerations. I love my 2016 MacBook Pro, but battery life is underwhelming, to be kind, compared to my 2015 or 2012 MacBook Pros. Make a thicker, wider, longer chassis and give me 12 hours of battery life. I don’t care about bezels, I care about heat dissipation and battery life.

- Face ID - On a MacBook Pro? I just don’t care enough about it to pay extra for it. I have it on my iPhone XR, it works fine. I am also fine with unlocking my MacBook Pro with my Watch or my finger. No notch on the MacBook Pro is necessary.

- Webcam - For the love of all that is Holy, put a 1080p camera in there. It’s past time and a thinner display is not an excuse anymore. You have to have used up those cameras by now, right?

- 802.11AX/Bluetooth 5.0 - Wireless and Bluetooth are a given, but I think we’re far enough along that AX should make its debut (assuming the PCH supports it) and the latest Bluetooth is already a given given, so update it to the latest rev.

- Trackpad - Reduce the damn size by like 15-20% and give our palms a little more room to rest. I like that the TrackPad is bigger than the old 2015, but JEEZ, its huge and the meaty part of my thumb shouldn’t have a Trackpad line cut into it.

- Last thing - Dear Mr Cook, put the damn Power Adapter Extension Cable back in the box. Having to cough up $19 on a $3000 laptop for an essential piece of kit just smacks of Scrooge McDuck. Stop it.

Again, unless Apple is intent on moving the MacBook Pro to a 14” and 16” form factor and giving us a 13” and 15” MacBook (Air), I just don’t see the point of a 16” MacBook Pro. Most users here (and myself) want a return to the 17” MacBook Pro with a thicker chassis, better thermals and enough grunt to work all day on heavy duty tasks...size and weight really are secondary considerations for this model.

I seriously think this is just a convenient way out of the issues with the 15” chassis (heat, battery life, keyboard, lack of space for any other ports, ever) without Apple ever having to address it, which seems like par for the course, if I use my cynical nature to analyze it. I do love the size and weight, and thermals on the 8-core seems to be in check mostly (please no rants about thermal throttling, because you’re wrong and I won’t waste my time), but battery life is just a constant concern when I do any sort of heavy lifting untethered.

I still don’t see this coming in September...October, yes...in reality, next year, in April. I guess we’ll see who is right.

Well said. This should be the top comment.
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Also, shouldn't it stand to reason that we'd be seeing parts leaks right around now?

Exactly.
 
If any machine in this lineup comes with the real keyboard (non-butterfly) then I'll certainly buy one.

If not then I guess it's still business as usual with my trusty 2017 MBA.
 
So for me (and many others who use the 1680x1050 scaled mode), the ideal resolution for this machine would be 3360x2100.

I totally agree with this. I'd rather have 3360x2100 resolution and get the benefit of 2x scaling than some random resolution just for the sake of advertising it as 4K.


Meanwhile, in the real world, rarely a week goes by without someone complaining about their flakey HDMI-dongles when doing a presentation with their touchbar MBP.

....

The USB-C future we were promised sadly isn't here yet. Not today, and not in the forseeable future. And while people who use something like a Macbook Air at home might not need much wired connectivity, a lot of pro users sure do. Many people still need to use ports like HDMI or USB-A devices regularly.

I beg to differ. I think the reason we cannot have the USB-C future we were promised is because many brands keep the ports like miniDP, micro USB-B, proprietary charging ports knowing they won't be able to sell anyway like Apple does. Still, if you plan to use the computer for the upcoming 4-5 years, it is for the best to have an all-purpose port so that you can connect whatever you want (dongle or not) rather than a couple single-purpose ports. We can never speak for everyone; however, those who would like to use the old ports have a dongle option unlike users like me who cannot get enough of those TB3 ports without worrying about which port is used for what.
 
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I was ready to upgrade my '17 based the reviews for the performance of the new '19 model but now I'm thinking about holding off because the '19 with a bigger screen in the same form factor seems perfect to me.

This is an excellent time to buy the 4th iteration of this generation. It's as fast and stable as it will get before the next generation. Just think how many people are still holding onto their 2015 MBP and Mac Pro 5,1 machines. Or think of it as the "s" model.

"Comparison is the thief of joy."
 
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To everyone making this complaint...

1) I bet you this will be a "mid level" macbook, meaning cheaper. Why? Because "LCD" sounds like a cheaper panel. Current machines have an IPS display, which is for color accuracy and viewing angle, and is EXPENSIVE.

2) Macbooks today cost THE SAME as they did 6 years ago, controlling for inflation. Almost eerily so....like thet calcukated out what they should charge based on inflation rates. Inflation is the key concept here. My 2013 15" mbp middle processor, 16gb, 512gb...costs the same (controlling for inflation) as a 2019 15", 16gb, 512gb, mid level graphics.

3) continuing my bet, this new one will use the same chassis and keyboard technology as current models, but the bezel will be thinner. And the touch bar will be gone, like on the cheap 13" mbp. And processors, memory, and storage will be limited.

I'm-a-gonna-say $500 cheaper.

And i will buy one. :)
ALL IPS displays are LCD displays
 
ok so trash the 17' and bring a 16' inch..
Resolution is always good.

My only grip about anything new, is using dongles. but apart from that, looks good.
 
naturally, but i'm so comfortable in the 13" realm, i can't seem to make myself go up to even 15" :)
I went from a 13” from 2011 to a 15” in 2016. Best decision I ever made. The 15” seems small to me after a few days. It was actually .5 pound lighter than my old 13” MacBook pro.
 
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I went from a 13” from 2011 to a 15” in 2016. Best decision I ever made. The 15” seems small to me after a few days. It was actually .5 pound lighter than my old 13” MacBook pro.

sounds about right) unfortunately the mba is already pretty small. then again mine is from 2015, so it's not the smallest one! :)
 
new. higher price tag coming
Yeah, probably true... sadly... I would hope they might offer something akin to the Mac Pro, in terms of having an upgradable, customizable machine. But you're probably right... even if they do offer something upgradable, the price of admission will be f***diculously high. I remember when you used to be able to buy the mid-level pro laptop/tower, for a somewhat reasonable price, and upgrade with aftermarket gear, saving a good chunk of dough. You could usually have a high-end work machine (at least for music—my field) for about $3k. Now you can't get anything worthwhile for less than $4k (and your configuration is totally locked in). Because that $3k machine was upgradable, it could either be made to last, or, if you chose to sell relatively quickly, it held its resale value. Not so much, these days. Maybe Apple sees aftermarket upgrades as lost sales... Who knows? It's pathetic though.... The way the bang-for-the-buck is now, I'm forced to wait as long as technologically possible before upgrading. Back in the day I would upgrade every 18-months to 2 years—now it's 3+ years. And when I do upgrade, the price is painful and the quality of what I get is questionable. Painful.

So, my fingers are crossed, but I'm not super optimistic, unfortunately.
 
My brain is still stuck PC laptop screen size which includes 15.6”

Now let’s talk more important things like a new scissor keyboard for Mac laptops.;)

Does not compute !!..

Viewable screen size has always been there, even on PC screen sizes. It may not be mentioned, but that's no different than what Apple doesn't mention either..

You buy a 15'6 inch Windows laptop, its not gonna be 15.6 inches as viewable screen
 
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