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Even if it gave free blowjobs I wouldn’t get it if it still has the goddam butterfly keyboard. That keyboard is money down the toilet.
 
Better they come out with this model with Retina. An LCD with the bigger price tag? No thanks. Give it a Retina display and I will buy.
Apple offers two different types of screen displays: LCD and OLED. The only displays that are OLED are the Watch and the X/XS/XS Max iPhones. All the other displays are LCD, and they’re nearly all Retina, except for the old $999 MacBook Air and the $1,099 iMac.

Rest assured the 16-16.5” MBP will be Retina, whether it’s LCD or OLED. A previous rumor was saying OLED, but I think most would agree that LCD is a lot more likely.
 
releasing a new macbook pro after they updated the 2019 pros in may wont sit too well with people. Especially if they drop the 15" model for this 16" i dont see them having around two sizes an inch apart from each other unless this is a completely new thicker chassis pro machine with a 5-800$ increase price point.

Yeah, but they don’t give a #&% about screwing some of their best customers. We found that out after they updated the MBP 2018 after 3 months, just enough time to avoid people returning the summer models under their special return policy.
 
Depends, if this is an 16.6" it will be like the 15" is to the 13". If it will be 16" probably this will replace the 15" down the line
[doublepost=1561350692][/doublepost]I love that Apple is on fire with the mac this year...we've been waiting for this for several years

Definitely wouldn't mind a 16.6" Macbook Pro...especially if it had a lazer-etched matte screen option.
 
To each his own... I rather like the butterfly keyboard and would consider buying a new laptop with it. I'm still using the original butterfly on my 2016 MPB with the only complaint being keystroke noise. I understand with the most recent models that has been reduced so bring on a quieter version with the same key travel.
 
I like the last line in that little table. Demand - 250,000 per month.

Does it come with 128GB SSD or will Tim push the boat out and demand it has 256?

It comes with 64GB SSD... but the drive is only 0.8mm high, allowing to make the body even thinner! There's even rumours of an upgraded model with 32GB SSD at an amazingly thin 0.5mm!!!

Exciting times ahead.
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Until Apple totally and completely redesigns the atrocious "butterfly" keyboard, I'm not buying any Macbook. Period.
No need to redesign/reinvent anything. Just take the same keyboard used from 2008 to 2015 (would probably make the body 1 mm thicker, which is fine).
 
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Apple seriously need to redesign their cooling for this Macbook. I just bought a top model 2019 version and I want to sell it again. I can't use it for anything that I intended to without the fans spinning up and making it unbearable to sit with for hours. Returning to my older 2015 iMac.

Out of curiosity, which model (Vega?) and what workflow is causing the fans to spin up so much?

$3,999? Sure, because Apple would increase the price $1,600 for switching out a 15.6” for a 16.5” display. 8GB? Sure, because it’s 2012 again :rolleyes:

I'm fairly sure he was exaggerating for effect, but I can think of lots of things that would drive the price up if Apple wanted to make a very high-end laptop targeted to a smaller group of creative professionals. Aside from the bigger screen, it could offer HDR support, increased screen brightness, nano-texture anti-glare, and other screen quality improvements (i.e. some of the specs of the Mac Pro display in a mobile option).

No to mention it could support mobile Xeon processors with dual-channel memory (up to 64 or 128GB), Face ID, improved webcam, a maximum-size 99Whr battery, maybe a mobile Navi or a mobile 7nm Vega faster than the current Vega 20, up to 8TB of SSD, maybe even go crazy and add back in a USB-A 3.1 port, etc.
 
whats the last butterfly keyboard you've used for a long period of time?

What’s the last time anyone demanded that their laptop have a butterfly keyboard? When was the last time someone demanded a laptop that could only be made or thin enough by requiring a butterfly keyboard?

The butterfly keyboard is a stupid answer to a desire nobody gives a bleep about.
 
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i hope they rather use the new microled backlight tech for this screen than making it oled. oled is not good enough for computer screens imo. Just look at the iphone x and xs screens. Colorshift when changing view angle..
 
I'm fairly sure he was exaggerating for effect, but I can think of lots of things that would drive the price up if Apple wanted to make a very high-end laptop targeted to a smaller group of creative professionals. Aside from the bigger screen, it could offer HDR support, increased screen brightness, nano-texture anti-glare, and other screen quality improvements (i.e. some of the specs of the Mac Pro display in a mobile option).

No to mention it could support mobile Xeon processors with dual-channel memory (up to 64 or 128GB), Face ID, improved webcam, a maximum-size 99Whr battery, maybe a mobile Navi or a mobile 7nm Vega faster than the current Vega 20, up to 8TB of SSD, maybe even go crazy and add back in a USB-A 3.1 port, etc.
No doubt there are many possible upgrades that could push the price of a new 16” up way beyond the $2,399 base of the 15.4”. But all we know right now is the screen is getting slightly larger. There’s a rumor of an all new design, with zero details about what that means, though many have speculated about reduced bezels. That makes sense given this rumor of a slightly increased screen size (and Apple’s probable goal of keeping the size down).

My take is that for the same base config, i.e. 6-core/16GB/256GB, with just a small bump in resolution from 2880x1800 to 3072x1920, I expect any price increase to be in the $300 range. If there are other upgrades—better display, CPU or GPU, or maybe an 8-core or 32GB base config, etc.—the base price would obviously be higher.

An 8-core 2.4/5.0GHz, 32GB, 1TB, Vega 20 BTO config for the 15.4” is $4,149. So if that’s the base config for the new 16” machine, no one should be surprised—or outraged—if it’s priced at $4,499. Maybe it’ll be called the MacBook Pro Max :)
 
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Yeah, but they don’t give a #&% about screwing some of their best customers. We found that out after they updated the MBP 2018 after 3 months, just enough time to avoid people returning the summer models under their special return policy.

Why this obsession for the newest specs? It's like 10% increase every time, sometimes you don't even notice in software that's not updated. Use your machine as long as you can, because if it does the job it's enough. At the other end there are those who hang onto their 2012 models as they feel the horse power is still good.
 
Does not compute !!..

Viewable screen size has always been there, even on PC screen sizes. It may not be mentioned, but that's no different than what Apple doesn't mention either..

You buy a 15'6 inch Windows laptop, its not gonna be 15.6 inches as viewable screen

Shrugs.
Let’s talk more important things like a new scissor keyboard for the MBP.:D
 
When they made the 17” it was something like less than 5% of MacBooks sold. There just isn’t enough market for them. A 16” screen in the same body size as a 15” is a decent enough compromise. Hopefully intel will get their 10nm CPU’s out the door because I’m not buying another MacBook until that happens.

Would a 17 in. MBP sell more than iMac Pro?
 
What’s the last time anyone demanded that their laptop have a butterfly keyboard? When was the last time someone demanded a laptop that could only be made or thin enough by requiring a butterfly keyboard?

The butterfly keyboard is a stupid answer to a desire nobody gives a bleep about.
i mean some people on here seem to hate for no valid reason other than they used it for 2 minutes in a store. The 2019 keyboard is very good compared to my 2016. I dont see apple going back to a thicker keyboard unless they increase the overall size of their machines which i dont think they will do. So complaining and complaining wont change anything. Either you move to another computer or actually try out a new machine for a while and then reevaluate your idea of the keyboard. I personally like it. I also like the touch bar.
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Yeah, but they don’t give a #&% about screwing some of their best customers. We found that out after they updated the MBP 2018 after 3 months, just enough time to avoid people returning the summer models under their special return policy.
i thought it was 6 months after the 2018's that they updated with the vega gpu's? Not 3. Releasing a redesign 3 months after i think is way different then a spec bump in the gpu department. Especially if it takes over the 15" model and they discontinue them.
 
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i mean some people on here seem to hate for no valid reason other than they used it for 2 minutes in a store. The 2019 keyboard is very good compared to my 2016. I dont see apple going back to a thicker keyboard unless they increase the overall size of their machines which i dont think they will do. So complaining and complaining wont change anything. Either you move to another computer or actually try out a new machine for a while and then reevaluate your idea of the keyboard. I personally like it. I also like the touch bar.

Many people detest it because it simply isn’t reliable. I know Apple will never release the data on how many failures there have been, and I’m also sure many people just put up with key repeats and jammed keys (meaning they don’t take it for repair). For me personally, one replaced keyboard in under 6 months was enough for me to become a critic.
 
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Many people detest it because it simply isn’t reliable. I know Apple will never release the data on how many failures there have been, and I’m also sure many people just put up with key repeats and jammed keys (meaning they don’t take it for repair). For me personally, one replaced keyboard in under 6 months was enough for me to become a critic.
what year was your machine? The 2018's cut down on the issues a lot and we dont really know about the 2019's but seems like nobody is having issues with them so far.
 
When they made the 17” it was something like less than 5% of MacBooks sold.

So, if they're selling 5 million Macs a quarter, that's 250,000 17" Macbooks a quarter.

The problem with Apple post-iPhone is that they regard something that sells a million units a year (at a premium price with, presumably, a rather higher margin than the larger-selling items) as a failure - and, consequently, leave gaping holes in their product line (no desktop-replacement fill-sized laptop, no medium-powered headless desktop).
 
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Many people detest it because it simply isn’t reliable. I know Apple will never release the data on how many failures there have been, and I’m also sure many people just put up with key repeats and jammed keys (meaning they don’t take it for repair). For me personally, one replaced keyboard in under 6 months was enough for me to become a critic.
I don’t even care about the supposed reliability issues, it just feels like crap to type on because there’s not enough key travel.
 
they didn't fix jack **** in 2018. only the super duper hot i9 throttle to super hot throttle, but overall throttle is still pretty bad, my 2.2ghz 2018 6 cores over a sustained test has almost the same score as the i9. thats why folks advocate to get the 2.2ghz instead of i9.

apple truly fixed it with their 2019 model with a updated 9th gen cpu that were able to sustain higher clock with lesser thermal output.

Like other OEMs, the 2018 MBPs rarely achieve any frequency over the base clock due to thermal constraints.

The reason the 2019 MBPs perform better is because Apple is undervolting the CPUs.
 
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