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16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September With LCD and 3072x1920 Resolution
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That’s good to know. Thanks. I’m in the market to buy one very soon. I’ve had a base iMac Pro for a while and loved it - it most certainly kicks ass - and desperately want a laptop with that kind of performance. The 2018 i9 wasn’t far off the iMac Pro on Geekbench and I’ve been waiting for Geekbench to post scores on the 2019 one. I saw the MR article here where someone had run it and it’s pretty darn close to my base iMac Pro so that’s promising.
That said I am just a little concerned cooling might be an issue (the iMac Pro’s cooling is pretty amazing) that a quick Geekbench test won’t pick up, but I might just buy it and test it myself - repeatedly over and over again. Maybe if the 10th immediately subsequent Geekbench test is still cranking out similar scores then I think they might have finally done it right.
And if this new 16” one is a further improvement then it’ll be where I want it... until I see the new Mac Pro in action and decide I want a Mac laptop with that kind of power in it. Haha.
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I really hope this is true.
It already baffled me that the last model refresh in 2016 did not increase the native resolution to actual 4k or at least something in the range of 3200 pixels wide, when many competitors already offered laptops with that resolution. Not doing that in 2019/2020 is just backwards.
I was hoping for a 17in with the smaller bezels. This would of course been slightly bigger and thicker which would of resulted in better thermals as well but it would of had to be a new design with new tooling. Reducing the bezels by making the screen larger is the easier and cheaper way, hence the 16in. I agree this will be the replacement for the 15in screen size in time.
Seems logical that this machine would have the same size body as the current 15” and be the first laptop to have FaceID built in. Price would probably start at $2499 or $2599.
I thought Apple would be moving to using FaceID in their iMac and laptop range ~ but if this were the case, why would they not include it in their upcoming XDR display? Will FaceID be an iPhone/iPad only technology?
I thought Apple would be moving to using FaceID in their iMac and laptop range ~ but if this were the case, why would they not include it in their upcoming XDR display? Will FaceID be an iPhone/iPad only technology?
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My bet is that the “new” processor is an Apple processor.
Plausible?
Plausible?
Because the 17” was used by filmmakers and artists and designers where more real estate is better and where having full 4k would matter.
I use Archicad on a 3k monitor. I would like 4k but my non-retina 15” can’t drive it. Would like more room for the drawings while keeping the same pallets open.
I just bought the 2019 i9 at Best Buy for $200 cheaper than apple.com. It was just time to go portable again. If this new thing is really that much different I’ll just throw this thing on offer up around the holidays and use the cash towards the new MacBook Pro.
I really don’t mind the current one but I would have liked to have seen an iPad Pro type bezel screen on the MacBook pros.
I really don’t mind the current one but I would have liked to have seen an iPad Pro type bezel screen on the MacBook pros.
Until Apple totally and completely redesigns the atrocious "butterfly" keyboard, I'm not buying any Macbook. Period.
because at retina resolution you’d get 1080p and the interface elements would be tiny. 4K only makes sense at 21” iMac size for retina.
I expect this to be considered a bargain for the true pro starting at just $5999
This would mean no OLED and no 4K in 2019! That’s not very good IMO considering the cost Apple will no doubt charge..in fact it’s a pretty poor joke.
The base line iMac has 4K right?
I can see it now....
“And the new 16” MacBook Pro comes with our exclusive new updated butterfly keyboard, look at that isn’t it just gorgeous?, look how thin it is... and it will be eligible from day one for the repair programme of our butterfly keyboards...”
The base line iMac has 4K right?
I can see it now....
“And the new 16” MacBook Pro comes with our exclusive new updated butterfly keyboard, look at that isn’t it just gorgeous?, look how thin it is... and it will be eligible from day one for the repair programme of our butterfly keyboards...”
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But will it include a touchbar and butterfly keyboard? 
I'm predicting a truely "pro" macbook, which means $3,200 base price
I'm predicting a truely "pro" macbook, which means $3,200 base price
They should call it "The Macbook Pro Pro".
Finally, a professional Macbook Pro for professional professionals.
Finally, a professional Macbook Pro for professional professionals.
NO OLED is a win for me. I hate OLED so badly due to unfixable issues by its nature.
PWM dimming hurts the crap out of my eye, color shifting, white pixel have obvious red tint on the left edge and green tint on the right..
And the obvious burn in issue. Especially on laptop, there is no way to prevent it and turned the display to an absolute junk as a workstation.
The 3072x1920 resolution mentioned in the article sounds a lot like a normal 15,6" retina MBP screen + a few more pixels on each side (pushing the screen more towards the borders, probably similar phyical form factor). Maybe they'll be adding rounded corners, or even a notch (I hope not). With that resolution, these things likely won't protrude into the existing 2880x1800 screen area, so they could market it as "additional space" compared to the previous model.
I could even imagine that the machine would fall back to 2880x1800 for full-screen games or boot camp, which expect the screen to be rectangular.
I wonder what makes you say that "The rest of us (millions) really, really don’t."? How do you know? There is no "one group" of pro users. That's something Apple seems to have forgotten for a while as well, but at least they seem to slowly recognize this again, see most Mac designs that came after the touchbar MBP and the formation of the pro workflow team.
Everyone I know who uses a touchbar MBP for work would love to have an HDMI port on the thing because USB-C on projectors is not a thing in the real-world, and won't be for years to come (back when the touchbar MBP came out in 2016, it wasn't even that uncommon to only find VGA in customer's offices).
The USB-C future we were promised sadly isn't here yet. Not today, and not in the forseeable future. And while people who use something like a Macbook Air at home might not need much wired connectivity, a lot of pro users sure do. Many people still need to use ports like HDMI or USB-A devices regularly. Even an SD-Card reader can useful for more than just transfering media files (e.g. embedded systems often use SD cards as a storage medium).
I'm not saying that Apple will bring back those ports, but I think it's very clear at this point that Apple was too quick to ditch all those ports and it has resulted in a lot of user frustration over the past couple of years.
Also: "retina" (as defined by Apple) depends on what distance you're using your device at. That's why iPhones have had >300ppi retina screens for years, iPads are usually below 300ppi and Macs closer to 200ppi. So there's no reason why a laptop needs to have the same PPI as a 27" or even 32" display. You're usually sitting much closer to the laptop.
Back in the days before the first retina MBP, you could get an optional 1680x1050 screen on the 15" model, but when they switched to retina, they pixel-doubled the original 1440x900 resolution. You can get a "virtual" pixel-doubled 1680x1050 of course, by using a scaled mode on the Macbook Pro (which is what many people use, and to my knowledge Apple even ships as the default setting on newer models). But while these scaling modes look decent enough, there is definitely a slight loss of sharpness compared to running the "native" retina resolution.
So for me (and many others who use the 1680x1050 scaled mode), the ideal resolution for this machine would be 3360x2100.
I could even imagine that the machine would fall back to 2880x1800 for full-screen games or boot camp, which expect the screen to be rectangular.
Meanwhile, in the real world, rarely a week goes by without someone complaining about their flakey HDMI-dongles when doing a presentation with their touchbar MBP.
I wonder what makes you say that "The rest of us (millions) really, really don’t."? How do you know? There is no "one group" of pro users. That's something Apple seems to have forgotten for a while as well, but at least they seem to slowly recognize this again, see most Mac designs that came after the touchbar MBP and the formation of the pro workflow team.
Everyone I know who uses a touchbar MBP for work would love to have an HDMI port on the thing because USB-C on projectors is not a thing in the real-world, and won't be for years to come (back when the touchbar MBP came out in 2016, it wasn't even that uncommon to only find VGA in customer's offices).
The USB-C future we were promised sadly isn't here yet. Not today, and not in the forseeable future. And while people who use something like a Macbook Air at home might not need much wired connectivity, a lot of pro users sure do. Many people still need to use ports like HDMI or USB-A devices regularly. Even an SD-Card reader can useful for more than just transfering media files (e.g. embedded systems often use SD cards as a storage medium).
I'm not saying that Apple will bring back those ports, but I think it's very clear at this point that Apple was too quick to ditch all those ports and it has resulted in a lot of user frustration over the past couple of years.
First of all: Not all retina macs have exactly 218ppi.
Also: "retina" (as defined by Apple) depends on what distance you're using your device at. That's why iPhones have had >300ppi retina screens for years, iPads are usually below 300ppi and Macs closer to 200ppi. So there's no reason why a laptop needs to have the same PPI as a 27" or even 32" display. You're usually sitting much closer to the laptop.
Back in the days before the first retina MBP, you could get an optional 1680x1050 screen on the 15" model, but when they switched to retina, they pixel-doubled the original 1440x900 resolution. You can get a "virtual" pixel-doubled 1680x1050 of course, by using a scaled mode on the Macbook Pro (which is what many people use, and to my knowledge Apple even ships as the default setting on newer models). But while these scaling modes look decent enough, there is definitely a slight loss of sharpness compared to running the "native" retina resolution.
So for me (and many others who use the 1680x1050 scaled mode), the ideal resolution for this machine would be 3360x2100.
Same thing here, however I purchased 18 of those machines. 14 have been refunded or repaired
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Great point here regarding them not showcasing any touchbar advancements at the last conference
Why would you want OLED on a laptop display? The chances of burn in would be significantly higher than that of the iPhone
Why? Not everybody needs them and they take up space on the MBP. If people don't use those ports then they are a waste of space and cost.
While USB-C may be annoying to you it makes the most sense in terms of the user deciding exactly what they need to hook up to their MBP. Many of us are stuck with MBPs that have old outdated ports and can never get anything better. My 17" for example has FW800, USB2 and an express card slot. All of which are pretty much useless today and take up space. USB-C also provides the best future proof options since TB3 has enough bandwidth to expand to just about any type of device in the future. Any USB, USB3 or USB3.1 device can be adapted and there is still plenty of bandwidth left for a future version of USB.
SD card readers get faster and better and while it is very nice to have one built in I prefer to have the option to choose what card reader I use so I can use different types of memory cards as needed.
HDMI is also nice to have but I just don't see the big deal buying an adapter or two to support the video ports one needs. What if a company has a VGA projector without HDMI or IT plops a monitor on your desk with DVI? By not forcing the use of just HDMI Apple gives the user the option to use only what they need. Besides the HDMI spec is constantly changing and once a port is designed for a specific spec it can't be changed. for example some older HDMI ports only support HD resolution. The HDMI spec today only support up to 4k and they are directly tied to broadcast standards and not the fluidity of computer display standards. For example 5k displays just do not work with HDMI and they likely never will due to 5k not being a broadcast video standard. HDMI is just too limiting to make a MBP stuck with it forever.
It hasn't even been announced yet, lol.
I look forward to seeing what will separate this MBP from the current 15” besides a seemingly minor screen real estate bump. Not sure what CPU/GPU they could use in here that the 15” doesn’t already have access to (that is, a higher end Intel part and mediocre AMD graphics). The only surprise here would be the use of AMD CPUs or Nvidia graphics (fat chance).
So the only way I can see this differentiating is with a redesign (which is a given) with better screen tech (higher contrast/brightness, better colors, etc), better thermals for extended high-perf workloads, and some other premium features that will eventually find their way to the other MBPs when they share the same design, e.g., better webcam, audio, or maybe even Face ID.
So the only way I can see this differentiating is with a redesign (which is a given) with better screen tech (higher contrast/brightness, better colors, etc), better thermals for extended high-perf workloads, and some other premium features that will eventually find their way to the other MBPs when they share the same design, e.g., better webcam, audio, or maybe even Face ID.