If the 15 inch remains, and similar processors are used, then the differentiator will have to be the display and keyboard. The display will likely have features unavailable elsewhere and be very high-end. I would think a fair starting price of near $4,000 is reasonable. If the 15 inch is discontinued, it will have a similar starting price, though the older 15 inch kept around for a bit at a discounted option much like the 13 inch without touch bar was.
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16-Inch MacBook Pro Will Reportedly Use Intel's 9th-Gen Processors With Up to 8 Cores
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I'm not sure they would move to an 80 or 95-W TDP CPU for their laptops.
I miss the days when you could buy a new 15.4 MBP for $1799...
I don't see a 16 inch dropping in price though. Going by their past history, what they'd probably do is keep the old 15" for two years without any updates, and sell it at original price while selling the 16 inch for about $200-400 more. Once the 15 inch gets retired, the 16 inch will remain at the higher price.
No, those are not important issues. The main issues are, in order of importance:
1 - fix keyboard
2 - remove touchbar (or make it haptic so merely brushing it doesn’t cause it to trigger, and add real escape key)
3 - improve thermals
4 - price
from the article: "Notably, this would mean that Apple isn't yet ready to use Intel's latest 10th-generation Ice Lake processors."
No, it's not that Apple isn't ready to use them, it means that they don't yet exist! Intel doesn't yet have 10th-gen versions of the high-TDP processors needed for this machine available for delivery to its customers. MacRumors really needs a good editor.
No, it's not that Apple isn't ready to use them, it means that they don't yet exist! Intel doesn't yet have 10th-gen versions of the high-TDP processors needed for this machine available for delivery to its customers. MacRumors really needs a good editor.
My hope is that this will reverse that trend. Bigger screen, a keyboard that works, improved performance, and prices on RAM and SSD upgrades that are a bit more inline with reality? Yes, Apple may have earned some more of my money at last.
NAVI isn't going to shrink the GDDR6 or HBM2 chips and if pair NAVI with just basic LPDDIR4 then probably not going to 'smoke' much.
65W TDP ( yes Intel will blow far past their nominal TDP for the 8-10 core models ) .
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14523/amd-ryzen-3000-apus-up-to-vega-11-more-mhz-under-150
Where Intel Gen11 graphics have basically doubled.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14664/testing-intel-ice-lake-10nm/8
Intel is throwing about as equally as big of a transistor budget at the GPU in latest generation and there isn't a huge gap when limited by regular RAM caps.
ARM isn't static nor is it just one implementation. There are ARM implementations that are tweaked toward data center servers. ARM itself is in the process of rolling one out.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13959/arm-announces-neoverse-n1-platform/4
AMD has some catching up to do there ( presuming ARM's simulations are accurate. )
Now, is this what Apple has in their current implementations? No. Not even close in terms of generally useful I/O bandwidth or data throughput.
You are correct, Fix Keyboard is #1, I just did not included because it is a given that Apple has decided to go back to the older keyboard. ;-)
Let’s be precise here - a normal company might go back to the older keyboard. Apple, on the other hand, is just as likely to have invented some new and different scissor-mechanism that may or may not have its own set of new problems.
Fingers crossed. (They’re crossed because I’m trying to adjust my screen brightness using the touchbar without having to look down at the touchbar).
True, you can regret buying that 2016 paper wait already, early regretter, instead of early adopter. Should I better say early regretter, instead of early bird?
Well, Intel moved the process node for the Ice Lake PCH to 14nm after having to back off to 22nm and suspending at least one 300-Series PCH (H310, I think) when they couldn't keep up with CPU production last year, so I am not sure they are going to have a whole lot of excess capacity either way. I cannot find any stories detailing their current 14nm capacity as we go into the holiday season, but the paltry 10nm production they are shipping now is not going to free up enough lines to magically bring about Comet Lake if demand holds steady or goes up significantly. I guess we will see soon enough.
don't forget about this one:
- if you decide to use flat cables to send video to the display,make it removable, otherwise a 2$ problem turns into a 600$ problem ;-)
These latest mbp models are much much worse than people think. People think they are terrible, but boy, they are 5 times worse.
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."
Eh. The good news is I mostly use the machine in my office where i have a magic keyboard, so the ****** keyboard hasn’t caused me too much grief (despite various keys failing over the years). The 2013 MBP i had before that had it’s own problems (flaking screen coating), the two MBPs before that had failing GPUs, etc.
It’s always something.
keep dreaming bro!!! dreamers make the world improve. The ones who are crazy enough... prices inline with reality, sure, and a kiss from pamela anderson to every 16" mbp buyer.
Recent roadmaps show that there are no high-TDP mobile processor for Ice Lake. Intel can't be knocked on not delivering what they never put on the roadmap. That is in the same boat as wailing on Apple for the missing xMac and the missing 5+ lbs desktop replacement laptop they don't make.
There may have been a Cannon Lake one on a 3-4 year old roadmap but Apple has known that wasn't coming for a very long time at this point.
The road mapped solution in the "H" ( high TDP mobile) space in 2019-2020 has been roadmapped at a 14nm solution (Comet Lake).
The high TDP that Intel is planning to do on Ice Lake 10nm is only in the Xeon SP space (way out of 'mobile' land ).
The follow on Tiger Lake/Willow Cove may do better on the 10nm+ (or ++) process. [ AMD has high end mobile processors last in their roll out process for newest generation so Intel may have Tiger Lake ready by +/- 3 months of AMD getting to Zen 3 on high end mobile. They have time. ]
Pamela Anderson?
On behalf of the 21st century, let me be the first to welcome you. Please line up on your left to trade in your rotary phone and VHS deck for a smartphone and TiVo.
Thread after thread, post upon post, too many users are projecting their wants and desires about this rumored 16" MacBook Pro and are setting themselves up for an incredible amount of frustration and disappointment if Apple actually releases this computer before the end of the year.
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The Xeon E-Series (E-22XX Series) is 45w TDP, the same as the Core i9-9980HK.
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The Xeon E-Series (E-22XX Series) is 45w TDP, the same as the Core i9-9980HK.
Yeah ok magic eyes. I don't want 120hz for gaming, I want it for productivity, scrolling etc - the same was the iPad Pro is getting it.
Two fabs isn't exactly in the paltry category.
"... Swan made a number of comments related to 10nm during the call. Ice Lake servers have been sampled to enterprise customers, with early production expected in 1H 2020 and
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https://www.extremetech.com/computing/295815-intel-is-finally-shipping-ice-lake-in-volume
They built up an inventory so should be able to keep up for at least the end of the year. If they got into 2020 and the demand started to greatly outstrip the supply then the Comet Lake U could take the wafer start slots that the Comet Lake H would have started out with. If not intel can just 'kick the can' until the Rocket Lake ( 14nm CPU + 10nm GPU hybrid is ready in 2020 and possibly just skip Comet Lake U.). It looks like they held back supply because they can't handle a large demand bubble. Once past the bubble the two fabs may be able to keep up and gradually ramp on the more high margin Ice Lake Server dies and FPGA stuff. ( those are much more expensive so demand bubble isn't quite as high. )
Intel having enough slots to run PCH on the 14nm fabs doesn't necessarily mean they can huge excess to run more products in parallel than the plan they had put together. That the PCH are there was/is can contributing factor as to why can't do U and H at the same time.
None of the current H have the speculation execution ( MDS , Meltdown ,etc.) hardware fixes. Whiskey Lake U does. Holding H's solutions out into 2020 isn't particularly desirable. There had to be some motivation was to why they had to take that hit. I suspect hedging against a longer 10nm screw up was the driver for ordering. (and once don't need the hedge the plan crumbles. )
But we shall see on a couple months.
The current 15.4" MBP has resolution of 220PPI. If Apple sticks to the same 220PPI & the stated resolution of 3072x1920 per this article, the screen size will be 16.46".
https://www.sven.de/dpi/
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"It would be awesome if one day Apple brings back an option to purchase 15" MacBook Pro only with a powerful integrated GPU (or rumoured upcoming 16"). I am sure it will find quite a lot of buyers."
That'd be awesome. That's the Mac I would buy.
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I question if many of those trashing the Touch Bar a keyboard have used it, I put off buying one because of all the bad reviews and yes in store I didn't like the keyboard, but bought the 2019 model and love the Touch Bar, and after a week loved the keyboard, I can type way faster and more accurately on it than the old ones.