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16-Inch MacBook Pro Will Reportedly Use Intel's 9th-Gen Processors With Up to 8 Cores
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I'm concerned that I'll just get forced out the door soon. System 76 has been getting a lot of my attention lately.
So what yer sayin is that yer lookin fer a pro machine?
Inconceivable!
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Heh at the low low price of $3899!
Apple's widely rumored 16-inch MacBook Pro will be powered by Intel's 9th-generation Coffee Lake Refresh processors, in line with the 15-inch MacBook Pro released in May, according to IHS Markit analyst Jeff Lin.
If accurate, this means the 16-inch MacBook Pro will be configurable with up to an 8-core Core i9 processor with a 2.4GHz base clock speed and a max Turbo Boost frequency of 5.0GHz. The lineup also includes 6-core Core i7 processors. All of the chips are 45W with integrated Intel UHD Graphics 630.
Notably, this would mean that Apple isn't yet ready to use Intel's latest 10th-generation Ice Lake processors. These chips might not have been powerful enough for the 16-inch MacBook Pro, as there are currently no 6-core or 8-core options, and they have low TDPs ranging between 9W and 15W.
Rumors suggest the 16-inch MacBook Pro will feature an all-new design with narrower bezels and a more reliable scissor mechanism keyboard. In a research note obtained by Forbes, Lin said the 16-inch display will have 227 pixels per inch, in line with a previously rumored 3,072×1,920 resolution.
Lin believes the 16-inch MacBook Pro will enter production in September, setting the stage for a fall release, but there is still some debate as to whether Apple will unveil the notebook in September or October. In the fall, Apple typically unveils new Macs in October, but it could always break with tradition.
There is some speculation that the 15-inch MacBook Pro may be discontinued shortly after the 16-inch model launches, but TF International Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has said the 15-inch model will be refreshed in 2020.
Article Link: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Will Reportedly Use Intel's 9th-Gen Processors With Up to 8 Cores
Looking forward to this release!
Apple, please do NOT price this laptop like the Mac Pro!
That don't have to be 'fake' just old and based on outdated information. The roadmaps that spawned out from a Tweakers report date from 2018-2020. Intel didn't start their ramped production run on 10nm Ice Lake until 2019 ( Feb-March timeframe). It is taking them a long time to build up inventory to launch 10th Gen for shipping in the holiday season ( so it is slower than 14nm volume but it may not necessarily be bad).
The 2018 roadmaps had a Comet Lake U coming out almost in parallel with Ice Lake Y/U . If the Ice Lake yields had still been horrible that would have been more necessary. if the Ice Lake yields are good enough then that seems like a waste. ( Those roadmaps had Intel with Whiskey Lake U , Comet Lake U , and Ice Lake U all running through to end of 2019. Why would they want that? ). So if Intel tosses 14nm fab capacity for Comet Lake U in Q3-Q4 '19 then there is a decent chance they could bring Comet Lake H forward into 2019. It isn't like they'd be waiting for 14nm process to "mature" so they could do bigger dies. It is way past mature at this point. It was probably in 2020 because there aren't enough wafer starts for it with the U version occupying the 14nm pipeline (along with most of the rest of the line up).
The MBP 16" probably has a discrete GPU so don't need much of integrated GPU in the H processor at all. A higher peak clock mobile processor is what Intel is missing with the 10th Gen U (and Y) deployed. That is something the H could fill much more than the Comet lake U would.
Comet Lake H probably will get labeled as a 9th Gen Processor. So it would be a matter of which 9th gen processor to use. [ Marketing wise too it isn't going to help much to still be creating new 9th Gen launches in 2020 either for Intel. It just looks bad. It would be better for them to slap that band-aid on now rather than later. They can mix 14nm CPUs with 10nm GPU in multiple chip solutions in 2020 and label those 10th Gen. ]
If Apple is shooting for a super expensive MBP ( like maybe keeping the MBP 15" around and stacking this even higher on the price scale ) and the Comet Lake H can go up to 10 cores than could be a big bonus for them as there will be a heft tax for cranking the core count higher still.
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Well, if you look at the current 15" Dell XPS 7590, I expect this Mac to be the direct competition.
I really, really love the 13" MacBookPro form factor. But I give up. Every manufacturer is making their 15"+ their flagship. The Dell has GeForce CUDA potential, which is not nothing. I like the build on Macs so much better, I curious how much one or factor may weigh against the other.
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My 2¢ is that neither of those factors are a matter to hold off updating. The Thunderbolt and WiFi on current models will future-proof a new MacBook to last 10 years, I should think.
I really, really love the 13" MacBookPro form factor. But I give up. Every manufacturer is making their 15"+ their flagship. The Dell has GeForce CUDA potential, which is not nothing. I like the build on Macs so much better, I curious how much one or factor may weigh against the other.
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My 2¢ is that neither of those factors are a matter to hold off updating. The Thunderbolt and WiFi on current models will future-proof a new MacBook to last 10 years, I should think.
So very much this. They can keep the rest of the function key area as a TouchBar if they want, but make the Escape key an actual key again. One that can be reliably touch-typed hundreds of times a day.
They did it way back when the Wallstreet/Mainstreet Powerbook G3s came out. They were released in May with 233Mhz/no cache, 250Mhz and 292Mhz processors. They came with 12" DSTN (remember dual scan screens?), and 13 and 14" TFT screens. In September or October Apple replaced them with the PDQ machines that had slightly faster processors (233 w cache, 266, and 300mhz), faster graphics, and standard 14" screens (though a limited production 12" TFT was also available... I owned one) at slightly lower prices. People who paid extra for the big screens were not amused.
Charge a premium for a new design has been the new normal for Apple for quite some time now.
I’d pay a premium to have properly-sized arrow keys again. Even now, years later, I still mess up when using those damn stupid up and down arrow keys.
Don’t forget about the swappable drive bays that could accommodate an extra battery or a Zip drive, or dvd drive or CD burner etc, you basically had a portable desktop computer. The good ol days, upside down Apple logo and all.
That is just about as indicative as Apple's dubious engineering practices than it is about Intel's. The MBP not in full blow anorexic mode case design could cool better and have increased battery capacity with not relatively huge changes in weight.
If this system reversed course on keyboard mechanism it could also reverse course on myopic thinness as a design goal. ( the butterfly was also focused on thinness to the exclusion of pragmatic sense. ). Same core issue.
I don't think Apple has something that is competitive with 6-10 'big cores'. Nor with discrete GPUs. For a MBP > 13" they don't have much that is clearly a 'winner'. Nor is there particular enough Mac volume to support to chasing with a yet another 'fork' off of there iPad Pro SoC efforts.
There are folks who want a MacBook Air 15" system. Less horsepower, bigger screen , and still on the thinnest/lightest bandwagon. It is not likely that is what Apple is doing here. More likely they are shooting for more "power" at a even higher price "point" while being relatively thin but not thinnest.
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if it is 8-10 cores (and maybe better GPUs ) versus the MBP 15" 6-8 then they'll sell it similar to the price gap between the iMac 27" and the iMac Pro.
It may be a replacement, but if they are chasing a higher average selling price they'll just put "more" in it.
i'm gonna go out on a limb here but I wouldn't rule out AMD CPU. seriously.
i mean, we got 9th gen 8-core update this year for current gen MacBook right? and apple is know for notoriously keeping outdated cpus and gpus so they won't lose selling point for big updates. why would they offer that about half a year before the release of all new design with same specs? it's as un-apple as it gets.
yes, we should get some rumors about such move. on the other hand, did we get any on Vega upgrade for MacBooks, or more recently, Vega II Pro for new Mac Pro?
and AMD hit a home run with 3rd gen ryzens. and they could build custom gpu/cpu combo like for Playstation and Xbox. and they already have pretty good business relationship with apple.
the only point against such move would be apple moving MacBooks to in-house build chips, but that would probably start with Air, not Pro.
and, if i recall correctly, there we're some apple employee openly blaming intel for delays on at least one occasion.
i mean, we got 9th gen 8-core update this year for current gen MacBook right? and apple is know for notoriously keeping outdated cpus and gpus so they won't lose selling point for big updates. why would they offer that about half a year before the release of all new design with same specs? it's as un-apple as it gets.
yes, we should get some rumors about such move. on the other hand, did we get any on Vega upgrade for MacBooks, or more recently, Vega II Pro for new Mac Pro?
and AMD hit a home run with 3rd gen ryzens. and they could build custom gpu/cpu combo like for Playstation and Xbox. and they already have pretty good business relationship with apple.
the only point against such move would be apple moving MacBooks to in-house build chips, but that would probably start with Air, not Pro.
and, if i recall correctly, there we're some apple employee openly blaming intel for delays on at least one occasion.
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Now you’re talking about language! Preach, brother, preach. It’s beyond me how no Mac is equipped with a Blu-ray drive, which is the future. I spent good money on a USB-A hard drive and it’s infuriating how no Mac sold today has a damn USB-A port. Not even their stupid Pro Display or Mac Pro. DOA.
I hope this new MacBook Pro is a real pro machine so I can do real professional work like speedrun RE2 knife-only mode. But with the same CPU as the current MacBook Pro I think this machine is DOA.
I am familiar with the size of the pixels on my 2018 mbp. It's easy to see the mouse pointer jump by one pixel. Text could be sharper. Given the thermal limitations for gaming I don't agree about 120hz. The best improvements would be brightness, efficiency and colour (OLED panel?). I was disappointed that my 2018 mbp had a worse screen than the 2016, because of a switch from samsung to LG. I was expecting better colour and brightness. Comparison here: https://www.reddit.com/r/macbookpro...acement_lcd_for_2016_mbp_nicer_than_2018_mbp/
Bring on AMD Zen APUs. They already smoke Intel they sure as hell will trash A-Series SoC. The APUs for now come with Vega, but soon NAVI which requires a much smaller footprint.
Apple wants to be seen leading the industry with the best CPUs/APUs then it's Zen2/Zen2+ and Zen moving forward. It cannot nor will it ever compete with AMD on CPU designs for non-embedded solutions.
People quote Cinebench scores yet ignore the requirement of OS X--1000 threads on average running. iOS has several dozen running on average.
Laptop/Desktop/Workstation CPUs are a completely different breed. Apple knows it. This argument is patently absurd that ARM will surpass x86_64. It never was designed for it.
But there aren't particularly going to be any 3rd gen Ryzens in the mobile space in most of 2019. The way AMD has things placed is that mobiles get the next generation Zen architecutre just about last in the rollout sequence.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14059/amd-3rd-gen-ryzen-threadripper-in-2019
[ NOTE: in article it says they only did the 2nd Gen Ryzen Mobile APU this (2019) Spring. That probably puts the 3rd generation mobile APU into 2020. Jan-April window at about a 12 month cycle. ]
AMD still hasn't down there formal EYPC rollout. Still have Threadripper to get to. Also has Navi to scale up on 7hm wafers. Mobile is still something there probably aren't enough wafer starts at 7nm to do. ( and the margins are way better on EYPC and Threadripper. )
Getting a slot in a MBP would be a game changer for AMD though. But they still aren't really getting major laptop design wins in the over $1,200 price zone. Not sure why Apple would gamble on that when most of the others aren't.
Apple is more likely to start with a re-boot MacBook design than the Air. The MacBook is the same one port wonder than the iPad Pro is. That is a pretty easy match. However, the Air would be next.
At some point in a couple of years if AMD stays healthy and doesn't shoot themselves in the foot they probably get to the stage where they don't have to keep their mobile updates in "last place" in the roll out.
That was true ( I think the Mini and last year's MBA in particular were delayed. ). AMD has had hiccups themselves though. Navi had to go back into tape-out in late 2018 and didn't ship along roadmaps until later in 2019 than planned. AMD appears to be sliding a big on Threadripper 3rd gen getting out ( in part due to very high demand for EYPC and the Ryzen ... but that still is a delay. )
Intel may have turned the corner on execution. If both AMD and Intel get better over next year or so I suspect that will delay any deep inroad into the Mac space by an Apple SoC.
Good news: several friends of mine work at Apple, and I was talking to them about how it would be great to have a Zip drive in the new MacBook Pro, and one of them winked at me slyly. I told him to cough twice if the new MBP had a built in Zip drive, and he did.
Or he may have been allergic to my dog. Not sure.
Well pointed out. I can't believe people bang on about the previous gen... sure they were cheaper but only there very top end had anything more than an iGPU... for a Pro machine? You gotta be kidding me?
Blu-Ray is the future?
On behalf of the 21st century, let me be the first to welcome you. Just an FYI: we now put guacamole on bread and call it “avocado toast.” If you have any other questions, we now use google instead of altavista, and it works pretty well.
If anybody is thinking about buying any new computer coming from apple, first version, without been properly tested and flaws found, all that people deserve all the bad keyboards and flaws we had since after 2015...
And about the price, think about a crazy amount, that will be the asking price.
And about the price, think about a crazy amount, that will be the asking price.
Except int he case of the MBP with craptastic keyboard, the second and third versions weren’t much of an improvement. So I’ve been limping along with my 2016MBP and I don’t really regret not waiting for the 2017MBP or 2018MBP.