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Benefits of 1600mhz for Photoshop

Im looking to upgrade MacBook Prob 2.3GHZ early 2011 model. Consensus seems to be that it will recognise the Corsair 1600mhZ. In terms of practical difference that going for this rather than 1333mhz - the item I use that is most memory / CPU hungry is Photoshop CS5. Am I likely to notice the difference by going for the more expensive option?

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Im looking to upgrade MacBook Prob 2.3GHZ early 2011 model. Consensus seems to be that it will recognise the Corsair 1600mhZ. In terms of practical difference that going for this rather than 1333mhz - the item I use that is most memory / CPU hungry is Photoshop CS5. Am I likely to notice the difference by going for the more expensive option?

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You will notice a difference, but it will be minute. This RAM works perfectly in my MacBook Pro, and it's pretty cheap.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231512
 
A quick heads up for us West Coast ppl

Im running 16GB in mine, picked it up this weekend from Fry's Electronics for a stupid good deal.

http://www.frys.com/product/6932057?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

I tested it with no issues, except 1. When I replaced it my VMware Fusion VM (win7 x64) was suspended, when I resumed it up with the new RAM it BSOD'd. But hasnt done it again. I did go from 8GB of 1600 to 16GB of 1333. Thinking it didnt like seeing a hardware change while running. (kinda like being frozen in Carbonite and waking up with a new heart).

This is the same RAM here.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233217
 
Here is mine, I did this the second week I bought my Mac back in April.
 

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Here are some xBench tests I ran (attached) please dont flame me about their merits, I understand how benchmarks can be as subjective as any test is, but its for anyone that cares to make a "raw" comparison of data sets.

To Explain:

The 10.7.1 are out of the box tests (meaning I unpackaged the Mac and ran the tests only swapping the memory and HDD for a WARP v2 SSD).

The 10.7.3 are tests on a "seeded" Mac, meaning software and other junk installed that I couldn't turn off or unload may be skewing the results a bit. I did reboot into a fresh profile and killed any Application I could.

The 4GB 1333 is the stock Hynix ram (dont know what the model is).
The 8GB 1600 is Corsair PSD38G1600SK (x2).
the 16GB 1333 is Corsair CMSO16GX3M2A1333C9
 

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Im running 16GB in mine, picked it up this weekend from Fry's Electronics for a stupid good deal.

http://www.frys.com/product/6932057?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

I tested it with no issues, except 1. When I replaced it my VMware Fusion VM (win7 x64) was suspended, when I resumed it up with the new RAM it BSOD'd. But hasnt done it again. I did go from 8GB of 1600 to 16GB of 1333. Thinking it didnt like seeing a hardware change while running. (kinda like being frozen in Carbonite and waking up with a new heart).

This is the same RAM here.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233217

The reviews at newegg have me thinking about holding off for the 1.35v ram to drop in price. I dont want Apple to void my warranty, or cause damage to my MBP at the expense of cheaping out on ram.

It seems that we still don't have a clear answer from Apple on the suggested voltage of ram for a early 15" 2.3 i7 MBP.

I have a Fry's about 10 minutes away and would buy this today if I could get clarification. :(

Was also looking at the following ram kits.. One 1.35v and the other 1.5v @ 1600

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148469

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233265
 
The reviews at newegg have me thinking about holding off for the 1.3v ram to drop in price. I dont want Apple to void my warranty, or cause damage to my MBP at the expense of cheaping out on ram.

It seems that we still don't have a clear answer from Apple on the suggested voltage of ram for a early 15" 2.3 i7 MBP.

I have a Fry's about 10 minutes away and would buy this today if I could get clarification. :(

Uh, maybe I don't get it but how about simply re-install the Stock RAM if something goes south.

Also, let me honest through, I have installed a lot of RAM over the years on many many MANY systems. I have never seen RAM damage hardware, yes I have seen it cause software corruption. I have seen the memory fold but never have I seen it damage any other component. As I said before though just re-install the stock RAM if your system has a magical melt-down and return the MBP.
 
Uh, maybe I don't get it but how about simply re-install the Stock RAM if something goes south.

Also, let me honest through, I have installed a lot of RAM over the years on many many MANY systems. I have never seen RAM damage hardware, yes I have seen it cause software corruption. I have seen the memory fold but never have I seen it damage any other component. As I said before though just re-install the stock RAM if your system has a magical melt-down and return the MBP.

Well, with the three option I have going, what do you think the best option is? Vengeance 1.5 1600? Also, I have read the the 1.5v won't work in IB laptops as they will require 1.35v. Just thought it would be nice to be able to transfer it over to the next MBP knowing I will get the next refresh.

Update:

I purchased this...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na&AID=10521304&PID=4169666&SID=er82wiqzcuak

Will test and report back when its delivered thursday.
 
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Conclusion about RAM stability:
(to sum up the part of this thread and save your time)

1) People noticed kernel panics and other instability issues with CL7 and CL11 RAM. CL9 is 100% stable.

2) I couldn't find any information about CL8 stability
(neither on MacRumors, nor in Google; probably because CL8 SO-DIMM RAM is pretty uncommon)
So, let's agree that CL9 is the lowest stable latency in our case
(we will become 100% sure about that only after we get info about CL8 stability)

3) Theoretically, 32GB of 1600MHz CL9 would be the best possible kit you could put inside your MBP.
Unfortunately, it will not become available until 2013-2014.

UPDATED at 15 March 2013
 
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3) Theoretically, 16GB of 1866MHz CL9 would be the best possible kit you could put inside your MBP.
Unfortunately, it will not become available until 2013-2014.

Not sure how you could give that date. I've got news for you, but in 2013/2014, we're going to have moved on to DDR4.
 
Took the plunge after reading throughout he whole thread and finding an post on an over clock forum that uses the same pair.

Corsair CMSX8GX3M2A1600C9

€50 plus delivery. Hopefully I'll have it by tomorrow. Just need to find a proper screwdriver, completely forgot I don't have them that small.
 
Conclusion about RAM stability:
(to sum up the part of this thread and save your time)

1) People noticed kernel panics and other instability issues with CL7 and CL11 RAM.
CL9 is 100% stable, and also the Apple's stock RAM is CL9.

2) I couldn't find any information about CL8 stability on 2011MBPs
(neither on MacRumors, nor in Google; probably because CL8 SO-DIMM RAM is pretty uncommon)
So, let's agree that CL9 is the lowest stable latency in our case
(we will become 100% sure about that only after we get info about CL8 stability)

3) Theoretically, 16GB of 1866MHz CL9 would be the best possible kit you could put inside your MBP.
Unfortunately, it will not become available until 2013-2014.


if you check at the processor specs on intel website, max frequency supported by the processor is 1600

so 1600 Mhz Ram works fine in recent MBP
 
Comparison of RAM

What is the optimal value of CL (CAS latency) ?
RAM kits with CL >= 11 or CL <= 7 are known to cause problems (kernel panics).
So, only RAM kits with CL8, CL9, CL10 are left.

CL8 kits cannot be seen anywhere. CL10 kits are reported to work good by some users.
But, even if it is true, you should still prefer CL9 kits, because they are faster than CL10 kits.

Timings of CL9 RAM: 9-9-9-X, where X is tRas.
If tRas is not specified (9-9-9), then tRas = 9*3 = 27
The smaller tRas is, the faster RAM is.

8GB (2x4GB) 1600MHz CL9 RAM comparison
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| _______________ Model ________________ | Works | tRas _ | __ Voltage | Price in $ |
| Kingston HyperX LoVo KHX16LS9P1K2/8 __ | YES _ | _ 27 _ | _ 1.35/1.5 | ___ 70 ___ |
| Corsair Vengeance CMSX8GX3M2A1600C9 __ | YES _ | _ 24 _ | ______ 1.5 | ___ 57 ___ |
| Kingston HyperX KHX1600C9S3P1K2/8G ___ | YES _ | _ 27 _ | ______ 1.5 | ___ 61 ___ |
| G.Skill F3-12800CL9D-8GBSQ ___________ | YES _ | _ 28 _ | ______ 1.5 | ___ 50 ___ |
| G.Skill F3-12800CL9D-8GBSK ___________ | YES _ | _ 28 _ | ______ 1.5 | ___ 60 ___ |
| AData XPG AXDS1600GC4G9-2 ____________ | NO __ | _ 24 _ | _ 1.35/1.5 | ___ 65 ___ |
| Kingston HyperX KHX1600C9S3K2/8GX ____ | NO __ | _ 27 _ | ______ 1.5 | ___ 55 ___ |
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16GB (2x8GB) 1600MHz CL9 RAM comparison
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| _______________ Model ________________ | Works | tRas _ | __ Voltage | Price in $ |
| Kingston HyperX LoVo KHX16LS9P1K2/16 _ | YES _ | _ 27 _ | _ 1.35/1.5 | ___ 129 __ |
| Kingston HyperX KHX16S9P1K2/16 _______ | YES _ | _ 27 _ | ______ 1.5 | ___ 127 __ |
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Annotations:

  • The smaller tRas is, the faster RAM is.
  • Things marked in bold are good things, things marked in italic are bad things.
  • Some RAM does not work in MBP at 1600MHz - only at 1333MHz, because of XMP (eXtreme Memory Profiles).
I have removed the heat spreader column: now, to reduce manufacturing costs,
some companies are using confusing stickers which look like a real heat spreader.

Eventually, I have completed a two-step upgrade:
1) :apple: Pre-installed Hynix 4GB 1333MHz CL9 ----> Corsair Vengeance 8GB 1600MHz CL9 CMSX8GX3M2A1600C9
2) Corsair Vengeance 8GB 1600MHz CL9 -------> Kingston HyperX LoVo 16GB 1600MHz CL9 KHX16LS9P1K2/16

UPDATED at 15 March 2013
 
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Just installed my RAM and the initial start was good.

The decision fell to the Corsair Vengeance series, 8GB. I still need to test the MBP for a week but it´s looking good so far.

Did a test with memtest and the results were ok. Then I did a test with Memtest86+ and got a terrible scare. It froze 10% in and it didn't respond to any key combination I tried. After searching Google for at least 15 minutes I just ended up pressing the trackpad and the power button and it restarted.
Seems their is an issue with my MBP 8,2 and Memtest86+ after reading some forums. Should do my research a bit better.

I'm currently running memtest again and hopefully it didn't hurt my ram and more importantly any of the other system parts.

I'll post some photos later on
 

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I'm using 16gb of 1333 crucial ram in a 13" mbp late 2011 2.8 i7. Here's a screen shot of my geek bench if this helps anyone on the fence:
 

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Well, with the three option I have going, what do you think the best option is? Vengeance 1.5 1600? Also, I have read the the 1.5v won't work in IB laptops as they will require 1.35v. Just thought it would be nice to be able to transfer it over to the next MBP knowing I will get the next refresh.

Update:

I purchased this...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na&AID=10521304&PID=4169666&SID=er82wiqzcuak

Will test and report back when its delivered thursday.

How did that RAM work out? I'm interested to know how the CL10 memory works as there have been issues with CL7 and CL11.
 
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