17'' MacBook Pro at NAB?

[dextertangocci]

Why even mention the powerbook? There are benchmarks out for FCS on the macbooks, and the fastest ones beat dual G5's. Sure, there are limitations of laptops, but the new ones are fantastic boxes to use for a portable system, great for doing rough cuts on the go.

I would like to see more ram slots, maybe that will happen with the 17. What four apps are you running at the same time that would max out 16 gigs of ram? (I assume there aren't any video apps on OSX that can address more than 4 gigs, are there?)



And you honestly think we'll see any apps that are Merom compatible only? The G4 won't run "g5 code". How many apps have you seen that are G4 only? Hell, I'm typing this on a beige G3. It's seven years old and there still aren't that many apps that won't run on it.



Look at a benchmark or two. The core duo is TONS faster than a single G4. Night and day difference. The g4 is a dog speedwise. You can't just compare clock speed numbers (the core chips are way faster than the P4's, even at a considerably lower clock speed).

Anyone ever heard of "the megahertz myth"?

http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/mhz_myth_320f.mov

(Apple's explanation in a short film)

 

[Multimedia]

Alden Shaw Is Not Anti-Apple At All

Just summing up your posts, Shaw, no offense intended with my ad personam argument...but that's a fact, I hardly see you saying anything good about Apple...therefore, a certain bias may be clearly identified in your posts, which makes my assertion legitimate...

Worry not, it's a sunny and warm day here in Geneva...too warm for my taste, actually...and yes, no MacPros expected soon...

Wow. I don't see Alden Shaw's posts as negative toward Apple at all. I find Alden's analysis the best we have here and I am grateful for every insight he provides. He is obviously a veteran engineer with many years of experience and very well read on the details of our current and future engineering roadmaps. I love Alden Shaw and think everyone here should do so as well.

 

[milo]

Anyone ever heard of "the megahertz myth"?

Exactly. I thought people had figured out that you can't assume a chip is faster just because a number is higher. I guess not.

 

[Chris Bangle]

For us poor uk students we wont find out whats been launched until the Tuesday morning because that invitations shows 6-8PM. Firstly i dont know how far ahead Las Vagas is but i think thats past my bedtime. Alos why has ipod news dropped off recently... I thought bluetooth ipods were soon.

 

[darh]

For us poor uk students we wont find out whats been launched until the Tuesday morning because that invitations shows 6-8PM. Firstly i dont know how far ahead Las Vagas is but i think thats past my bedtime. Alos why has ipod news dropped off recently... I thought bluetooth ipods were soon.

Ehm am I missing something here? Which invitations?

 

[Chris Bangle]

I can't see Apple jumping into Pro video cameras... just wouldn't work.

I believe the last three years for the releases of FCP 4, FCP HD (4.5), and Final Cut Studio, they held events Sunday night. Not a keynote, but more of an industry gathering.

And Monday my boss and I both received e-mails to a special reception for educational users of FCP. (Our community college has been offering FCP courses (now FC Studio) since 2002)

Here's the invite, sans RSVP link...

This on Page 2....
Theres a pic aswell..

If im wrong and its just a normal event please dont have a go at me. I apologise in advance if it is just a bog standard NAB event.

 

[darh]

If im wrong and its just a normal event please dont have a go at me. I apologise in advance if it is just a bog standard NAB event.

Ow that is what you mean. That event is for education people, "You'll learn how to prepare your students for careers creative industry".

So i guess thats only some kind of workshop. If there is going to be an event for a product launch it would probably be on sunday evening.

 

[Surreal]

..."All three are now expected to be shipping "in volume" in Q3 2006. This could mean that processors would be available as early as June or July of this year."--I can almost see Steve-O announcing the new 17" at NAB and shipping in June/July when the procs are available....

B

You, yeah you, i like the way you think.you get a raise. wait, scratch that, no raise. if this thing comes out i'll need all my money.

but really, all apple has to do is announce a merom 17" laptop and ship in june. i will buy and wait. i know a few people who will. and i will have no problem waiting for merom (unless we get into the somewhat typical extra delays, but i'm thinking positive )

 

[rxse7en]

You, yeah you, i like the way you think.you get a raise. wait, scratch that, no raise. if this thing comes out i'll need all my money.

but really, all apple has to do is announce a merom 17" laptop and ship in june. i will buy and wait. i know a few people who will. and i will have no problem waiting for merom (unless we get into the somewhat typical extra delays, but i'm thinking positive )

I don't think it would be any different than Apple releasing the 15" with Yonah procs before the rest of the industry. If ANYONE can get their hands on the early tech it will be Steve Jobs. It probably won't happen, but, alas, I was just looking for patterns in the mess.

B

 

[Chris Bangle]

Ow that is what you mean. That event is for education people, "You'll learn how to prepare your students for careers creative industry".

So i guess thats only some kind of workshop. If there is going to be an event for a product launch it would probably be on sunday evening.

Ah c'est bon.C'est magnifique. C'est sacre bleur. A day and a half early... What beginning/ending to a week.

The problem is the invite says senior apple staff or something, must be interesting workshop, if there was a workshop @ my school my headteacher probably wouldnt come. Unless in senior it means old people then it will be a rocking workshop.


I was wrong again it says apple execs.

 

[milo]

I don't think it would be any different than Apple releasing the 15" with Yonah procs before the rest of the industry. If ANYONE can get their hands on the early tech it will be Steve Jobs. It probably won't happen, but, alas, I was just looking for patterns in the mess.

They didn't ship yonah laptops before PC vendors did, although they were pretty close. They did ship yonah boxes first with the iMacs.

 

[Rocketman]

Why on earth does apple plan on releasing the 17" before the 13.3"???

Simple. They sell fewer and at a higher price point and margin. Easier, better, sooner.

MacBook release will SWAMP them in low margin sales.

Rocketman

 

[AidenShaw]

Worry not, it's a sunny and warm day here in Geneva...too warm for my taste, actually...and yes, no MacPros expected soon...

Yes, Genève can become warm on a sunny spring day.

I always liked a walk along the Quai du Mont-Blanc in the late afternoon to enjoy the breeze.

 

[Multimedia]

TV Genius Is Close - The Announcement Event is Sunday April 23

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I can't see Apple jumping into Pro video cameras... just wouldn't work.

I believe the last three years for the releases of FCP 4, FCP HD (4.5), and Final Cut Studio, they held events Sunday night. Not a keynote, but more of an industry gathering.

And Monday my boss and I both received e-mails to a special reception for educational users of FCP. (Our community college has been offering FCP courses (now FC Studio) since 2002)

Here's the invite, sans RSVP link...

Not an industry gathering. A Press Conference at the booth.

This on Page 2....
Theres a pic aswell..

If im wrong and its just a normal event please dont have a go at me. I apologise in advance if it is just a bog standard NAB event.

The new product announcements event will be on Sunday April 23. The event TV Genius is referring to is simply a briefing and reception for the educators attending NAB. No biggie.

 

[Multimedia]

Merom MBP Ship in September Not June

You, yeah you, i like the way you think.you get a raise. wait, scratch that, no raise. if this thing comes out i'll need all my money.

but really, all apple has to do is announce a merom 17" laptop and ship in june. i will buy and wait. i know a few people who will. and i will have no problem waiting for merom (unless we get into the somewhat typical extra delays, but i'm thinking positive )

Merom MBP shipping in June? You have got to be dreaming. September at the soonest.

 

[Surreal]

Merom MBP shipping in June? You have got to be dreaming. September at the soonest.

there is an element of personal want, yes. however, as you and a few others have been quick to point out, apple is not a large customer, so why would they not be able to ship in june? the 17" sells well, but is not as high volume a seller as the 12" or 15", so they shouldnt have so many orders that they can't fill with what "little" they get from intel.

average OEMs pre announce, apple has little reason not too.

 

[Multimedia]

Merom MBPs Ship in September Not June

there is an element of personal want, yes. however, as you and a few others have been quick to point out, apple is not a large customer, so why would they not be able to ship in june? the 17" sells well, but is not as high volume a seller as the 12" or 15", so they shouldnt have so many orders that they can't fill with what "little" they get from intel.

average OEMs pre announce, apple has little reason not too.

Because Intel won't be shipping Merom processors before the July-August time frame and Apple needs a certain amount in stock before they can crank up an assembly line. Plus the longer Apple can wait the better chance you'll get a SuperMultiDrive inside. I think the first 17" MBP will have a faster or fastest Yonah inside just so they can get something out the door. Then in September they will switch to Merom once that price equals the old Yonah price. Just guessing.

 

[ncook06]

I'm glad you mentioned the Dell XPS because their new top of the line dual core laptop gamer has 4 MB RAM

The 4 GB RAM is a $2500 option, and it delays your order by an additional 18 days.

'nuff said

 

[kenn8theocho]

The Megahertz Myth?

Anyone mind explaining what "the megahertz myth" is? Thanks!

 

[50548]

Yes, Genève can become warm on a sunny spring day.

I always liked a walk along the Quai du Mont-Blanc in the late afternoon to enjoy the breeze.

Exactly...in terms of overall landscape, Geneva is great...but I don't like this place as much as the German part of Switzerland...too much money, a lack of proper identity, a transit camp-like atmosphere and too many people presuming that everyone is/should be a millionaire...

Where's the MBP 17"..?

 

[AidenShaw]

The 4 GB RAM is a $2500 option, and it delays your order by an additional 18 days.

So, that makes choice bad?

What's your point? That you shouldn't be able to choose an expensive option that delays the ship date? And doesn't the fact that it delays the build indicate that it's a popular option?

I ordered the Dell 620 with 4 GiB - I need the extra 2 GiB of RAM and am happy to wait 2 extra weeks to get a necessary configuration.

 

[dextertangocci]

Anyone mind explaining what "the megahertz myth" is? Thanks!

Click on the following link, and let Jon Rubinstein (Apple's senior vice president: Hardware) explain it to you in a quicktime movie.

http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/mhz_myth_320f.mov

 

[Surreal]

So, that makes choice bad?

What's your point? That you shouldn't be able to choose an expensive option that delays the ship date? And doesn't the fact that it delays the build indicate that it's a popular option?

I ordered the Dell 620 with 4 GiB - I need the extra 2 GiB of RAM and am happy to wait 2 extra weeks to get a necessary configuration.

but... technically there is a 4gb option for the macbook pro. 1400 dollars to boot. so cheaper that the xps option (although i don't see how if the XPS has 4 slots)

but... that IS a great deal of money in either case.

 

[AidenShaw]

but... technically there is a 4gb option for the macbook pro.

Technically, the MBP 1.83 GHz comes standard with 4gb of RAM, and 8gb is standard on the 2.0 GHz.

but... technically there is a 4gb option for the macbook pro. 1400 dollars to boot. so cheaper that the xps option (although i don't see how if the XPS has 4 slots)

but... that IS a great deal of money in either case.

2 slots, with 2 GiB SO-DIMMs.

I don't see the option at the Apple Store for 4 GiB RAM in the MBP for $1400.

Dell charges $8,250 for 16 GiB of ECC RAM for a PW470, Apple charges $10,300 for 16 GiB of ECC in the PMG5. Why do you think Apple will do less markup than Dell for 2 GiB SO-DIMM memory?

 

[Butthead]

Technically, the MBP 1.83 GHz comes standard with 4gb of RAM, and 8gb is standard on the 2.0 GHz.{huh?}





2 slots, with 2 GiB SO-DIMMs.

I don't see the option at the Apple Store for 4 GiB RAM in the MBP for $1400.

Why do you think Apple will do less markup than Dell for 2 GiB SO-DIMM memory?

^^^

isnt expresscard PCI Express compliant?

i understand that isnt the exact same...but it is pretty close. 2.5 Gb/s

from the site, it looks like it IS PCI express. just small.

despite my counterclaim, i understand your point, but you don't know ANY pros with a 17"? hard for me to believe.

o and 2GB PC2-5300 modules are finally hitting market. crucial has a $700 module. so pros will be able to hit 4GB portable...that seems like something they'd like to hear.

Post#101

If Intel has Merom available as early as June/July, I'll bet the family farm we'll see it in a MBP of some size. Why? Cause the competition will have it...duh. This is great if it happens, but what I'm hoping is that whenever it comes out, there will be a Sup. Drive with HD burning capability. True, I suppose you'll be able to buy such a drive that you could install into an older Core Duo. And as with all new tech, the 1st HD burners will be slow, a year later you'll be wanting to replace with a burning that is 2x or 4x faster, since they will be relatively cheaper than the 1st DVD burner drives that Apple was the 1st to the market with. Now all we need is FW800, surely Apple has had enough time to get a 3rd party supplier to have a chip on the Mobo, for this. No reason a 56kmodem couldn't be there also (plenty of space). Apple had better put a56kmodem back on the 15in., it's assinine to neglect the rest of the world were telephone only lines are the way you can connect. Broadband/LAN/WAN just isn't available everywhere. Screw add-on modems, they blow.