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#2 I must be mistaken, the decision made by the multibillion dollar industry leading company MUST be bad for future sales, whereas you, one who simply doesn't like the idea, must be correct. I'm ashamed I didn't realize that from the start.

I love this, the idea that Apple are infallible by virtue of their market position. Let it be known, that no market leading company has ever made a mistake.:D
 
No it doesn't.

When you put your Mac to sleep, it writes the RAM contents to the hard drive as well as keeping the RAM active. That way, you can wake from sleep quickly, or if you want to change your battery, when you wake your Mac, it'll take about 20 seconds while all the data on the hard drive is put back into RAM and you are where you left off.

You can take your battery out while it's asleep, put one back in, and wake from sleep as though you're really waking from sleep?
 
I share the concerns people are expressing here about the seemingly retrograde step of a non-removable battery on the new 17-inch MacBook. Putting a brave face on the rumor, I'm hoping this means they're planning a cool 17-inch MacBook Air (see mockup below) alongside a brand new 17-inch MacBook Pro, with removable battery, as usual. You never know ;)

 
You can take your battery out while it's asleep, put one back in, and wake from sleep as though you're really waking from sleep?

Yeah. Try it, put it to sleep, take your battery out then in, and wake it up again.

It'll display a different screen when it wakes though - a progress bar as the contents are put back into RAM, then you are all set to go.
 
No it doesn't.

When you put your Mac to sleep, it writes the RAM contents to the hard drive as well as keeping the RAM active. That way, you can wake from sleep quickly, or if you want to change your battery, when you wake your Mac, it'll take about 20 seconds while all the data on the hard drive is put back into RAM and you are where you left off.
+1. It works quite well too, I actually prefer the hard disk method, it might be a little slower to wake up but it doesn't drain the battery at all while it is asleep, so this might be good for those with a Mac that doesn't hold a charge long or for those who don't like how much battery power is used during sleep.
 
I share the concerns people are expressing here about the seemingly retrograde step of a non-removable battery on the new 17-inch MacBook. Putting a brave face on the rumor, I'm hoping this means they're planning a cool 17-inch MacBook Air (see mockup below) alongside a brand new 17-inch MacBook Pro, with removable battery, as usual. You never know ;)


I'm just confused as to the point of keeping a trackpad button when they've switched to a whole-trackpad button.

And why didn't they do that with the second-gen MacBook Air?
 
I love this, the idea that Apple are infallible by virtue of their market position. Let it be known, that no market leading company has ever made a mistake.:D

Not even close, but I guess you read what you want to.

The notion, however, that "Apple is making A HUGE MISTAKE by going to a non-removable battery", is quite hilarious. Simply for the fact that it likely means the start of the SilverZinc move, (which for now would have to be non-removable whether thats optimal or not) which means the start of longer battery life for all battery dependent products.

That is called "Good."
 
Putting a brave face on the rumor, I'm hoping this means they're planning a cool 17-inch MacBook Air (see mockup below)

I can't see that happening, it seems a bit pointless to expand the line-up with three different sizes for the MacBook Air, which is only targeted at a specific percent of users... you'd be more likely to see a 10-inch MacBook, with a similar level of thickness of the MacBook Air but with a few more features, to take a bite out of the "netbook" demographic.
 
I'm just confused as to the point of keeping a trackpad button when they've switched to a whole-trackpad button.

And why didn't they do that with the second-gen MacBook Air?
Good point about the trackpad button - I didn't think about that. Maybe it's too big a component for the air's dimensions?? It's a little weird the way they've been tweaking with multitouch trackpads with each incremental release. Would have been better if they'd introduced it with all gestures consistently across the line in one go.
 
Not even close, but I guess you read what you want to.

The notion, however, that "Apple is making A HUGE MISTAKE by going to a non-removable battery", is quite hilarious. Simply for the fact that it likely means the start of the SilverZinc move, (which for now would have to be non-removable whether thats optimal or not) which means the start of longer battery life for all battery dependent products.

That is called "Good."


And what if they keep the current battery technology in a non-removable shell? Will that be "good"?
 
Honestly I could care less, I just want a new more powerful better looking 17" MBP NOW! :D
 
As it looks from your signature (Dual 2.7 PowerMac G5 - 1.67 PowerMac G4 - Black 16 GB iPhone 3G - 1.60 Core Duo Compaq Presario V3020), you aren't buying Apple laptops anyway.

Saying you are "Done with Apple" if they do this, is a tad silly.

Um, thanks for pointing out the type-o in my sig. Should read 1.67 PowerBOOK. Changed. And, BTW, I have owned 2 Apple laptops. I had an 867 before my current PowerBook. No longer though.

I have been waiting for Apple to build an acceptable "do it all" desktop replacement for years! That's why I'm not going to be buying an Apple laptop this go 'round. Apple quit building machines I want so, yeah, time to move on.
 
I'm just confused as to the point of keeping a trackpad button when they've switched to a whole-trackpad button.

And why didn't they do that with the second-gen MacBook Air?

Because they realised how crap a whole button trackpad is.

And the 2nd gen Air still has a button.
 
I have a 12" PowerBook G4 and had to replace the battery (I don't have a spare) when there was the recall. I just took the battery out, took it to the local Apple shop and then got the new one. I ain't a "pro" user (actually my wife now uses the G4 most of the time :p ) but I can understand the issue with having to take in the entire laptop just to replace the battery. At the end of the day though I have other computers and it won't change my mind if in a couple of years I am considering say an Air. I guess that there is always going to be people not happy. Keeping the battery removable though doesn't seem to have a down side unless you can seriously extend both the cycles and the capacity of the battery for an internal one. Aaargh!!! The suspense of it all! :D
 
I share the concerns people are expressing here about the seemingly retrograde step of a non-removable battery on the new 17-inch MacBook. Putting a brave face on the rumor, I'm hoping this means they're planning a cool 17-inch MacBook Air (see mockup below) alongside a brand new 17-inch MacBook Pro, with removable battery, as usual. You never know ;)


Like your post on your blog, since NONE of us really knows what Apple is up too and everything is a guessing game at this point , that Tuesdays keynote speech cannot come soon enough.

As far as lugging the 17" around , yes it can be heavy but, you do what you have to do.

Now what if they did NOT announce a new 17" MBP on tuesday? Never mentioned or even hinted towards it?
 
And FWIW, there is always someone who makes this ^ type of argument when talking about batteries, and its absolutely pointless. This is the type of the thing you actually expect Apple to account for when designing their next product? Amazing.

This is why Apple is not meant to be taken seriously by professionals. I would recommend to photographers on the move who need replaceable batteries and high performance, to look at other manufacturers.

I'm just finding it frightening to see how poorly the MBP's compare with other laptops now. For example... (I'm not suggesting this for a mobile photographer, BTW)...

Dell's XPS M1730 has (vs 17" MBP)

2.6GHz CPU (2.5GHz)
4Gb RAM (4Gb)
2x 320Gb HDD (1x 320Gb HDD)
2x 512Mb NVidia 8800M GTX graphics in SLI (1x 512Mb 8600M)
Blu-Ray/DVDRW combo (DVD combo)
NZ$4698.99 (NZ$5099)

Hmm, $400 cheaper for a machine with significantly more features. I know which one I'd buy. Of course with the Dell's specs you might only get 1 or 2 hours out of the battery, but that's not really what I'm comparing in this example. Now let me just put on my flamecoat.
 
I can envision a variation on this rumor to be true: CTO options.

Standard 17" MBP comes as they usually do:
- Optical drive
- 1 HDD
- Removeable battery

CTO MBP can remove the optical drive in lieu of an additional internal battery or a second hard drive. With a second battery installed, you'd double your life AND enable live hot-swapping of the easily-accessible battery.

This would make total sense for the high-end machine, and would also jive with the current rumors for how the next Mac Mini will be able to be configured without an optical drive.
That would be a good move. Optical drives are less important all the time and a pro user has many options externally for burning ancient CD and DVD media.
 
And what if they keep the current battery technology in a non-removable shell? Will that be "good"?

No. It won't. I've already said this 5 times in one thread, but there is correlation between the removable and the current battery tech. Google it.

If they go to non-removable with the same basic specs/length of a single charge life, then they are taking away a feature and adding nothing, so obviously that is NOT "good".

Adding single charge life (and hopefully total life) time, while moving to non-removable, is "good" all around.
 
I just hate when people are arguing over something that they even haven't seen or tried just yet. It's dead simple: if you don't like it, or won't be happy with it, don't buy it.
 
Man that is a terrible idea! why on earth would they want to do that?

So they could have a bigger battery in there.

I have over 40 laptop-users under my wing. And not one of them have several batteries that they switch when one battery runs out. Not one.

And why would people want to switch batteries? Because the existing battery runs out of power, correct? But if they can put a bigger battery in there, the need to replace the battery goes down.

I bet that Apple has done extensive market-studies, and they discovered that only about 1% of laptop-users switch batteries.
 
That would be a good move. Optical drives are less important all the time and a pro user has many options externally for burning ancient CD and DVD media.

That was quite cool with the old wallstreet powerbooks. You had two bays on the side where you could swap out a battery bay for an optical/disk drive.
 
BTW)...

Dell's XPS M1730 has (vs 17" MBP)
2.6GHz CPU (2.5GHz)
4Gb RAM (4Gb)
2x 320Gb HDD (1x 320Gb HDD)
2x 512Mb NVidia 8800M GTX graphics in SLI (1x 512Mb 8600M)
Blu-Ray/DVDRW combo (DVD combo)
NZ$4698.99 (NZ$5099)

Hmm, $400 cheaper for a machine with significantly more features.

No need to flame. Just...

Three letters: OS X

I have the Windows 7 beta, and frankly, it works. It's actually nice. It's the best OS they've ever shipped and it's only a BETA.

But it's not OS X.

That was quite cool with the old wallstreet powerbooks. You had two bays on the side where you could swap out a battery bay for an optical/disk drive.

Wallstreet and Pismo rocked the house. Those were the golden days of laptop computing. Bays galore!
 
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