They can make a bigger battery while keeping it user-removable. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I'm pretty sure Dell and HP have machines that have the ability to go up to 24hrs.
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17" Unibody MacBook Pro with Non-Removable Extended-Life Battery
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They can make a bigger battery while keeping it user-removable. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I'm pretty sure Dell and HP have machines that have the ability to go up to 24hrs.
Photographers are not going to begin choosing other brands over Apple unless something signoificant changes that matters to them. Not to YOU, or any other piss-ant around here, but to Photographers.
$400 is nothing to a wedding photographer to avoid having an ugly hunk of Dell displaying their photos.
Some of you have a this weird vision of photographers who use MBPs needing enless amounts of battery life. Oddly enough, I work with wedding photographers every single weekend of the year (can u guess what i do for a living), and they hardly run their laptops on the battery.........AT ALL.
They spend 90% of the day shooting, %10 sitting around uploading their photots, deleting a few, and then some put the laptop on display with the first half of the day's photos. They are then faced with the glaring decision of "to plug in, or not to plug in". Ultimately they spend about 3 seconds making this decision, and then it no longer matters.
But yeah Photographers will probably hate the new 17" MBP. Just like they have every other
The other reason is that during the life of a laptop, the battery cannot hold all of its charge anymore. My iBook's battery dropped down to about 70% after two years, so I purchased a new battery for it. I swapped it myself.
Hahah, well, if only you vaguely recognised the camera models in my sig...
They are not doing anything to your laptop. Steve Jobs is not going to sneak in to your home and replace your laptop.
What if Apple replaces the current 17" MBP with a model that has twice (if not more) as much batter-life as the current model has?
I have never seen anyone carry extra laptop-batteries with them. Never. And if they get long battery-life from the new model, I fail to see why the battery would have to be replaceable.
The other reason is that during the life of a laptop, the battery cannot hold all of its charge anymore. My iBook's battery dropped down to about 70% after two years, so I purchased a new battery for it. I swapped it myself.
Sure, that is a valid complaint. But the replacement might be a job that can be done while the customer waits for his laptop. And in your case, the worn-out battery only became an issue after two years.
Yes it did last a long time, and it looks like the 3rd party replacement will last even longer.
I hope the 2.4ghz doesn't go to much cheaper, or I'm going to be mad.
Mine is still in transit from the warehouse.
Ah well.
I'm excited for Mac World. Can't wait!
Just return and rebuy though there may be a restocking fee. I kinda like the idea if the battery had unlimited charge cycles.
what components does a 17" have that a 15" doesn't? Simple geometry suggests there ought to be room in a 17" for a battery almost twice the size--and thus twice the capacity--that can be fitted into the smaller model.
(disclaimer: I am not a battery technology expert) My understanding is that the built in batteries can be molded into the frame to allow a larger volume battery than would be possible with a modular one. Example: In an irregular space like the inside of a laptop, you could fit a uniform three-dimensional piece of ice with dimensions X x Y x Z (more likely a requirement if it's replaceable); but melted you might be able to fit the equivalent of two of those pieces of ice, as the water fills nooks and crannies between structural elements. Greater volume=greater capacity.
I think there is a fairly obvious explanation for an internal non-removal battery of they do actually make the 17" like this.
The reason they delayed the 17" was because they couldn't make it rigid enough because it was so big. If the battery cover is not removable they can make the computer stronger, and not flex. So they make the battery non-removable and then make everyone feel good about it by extending the battery life by a few hours.
I have to say it is funny to hearing everyone who thinks this is such a horrible idea. Not only because it is just rumor but also because everyone said the same thing when they dropped FW from the MB but now everyone wants the white MB to be discontinued.
The reason they delayed the 17" was because they couldn't make it rigid enough because it was so big. If the battery cover is not removable they can make the computer stronger, and not flex. So they make the battery non-removable and then make everyone feel good about it by extending the battery life by a few hours.
I have to say it is funny to hearing everyone who thinks this is such a horrible idea. Not only because it is just rumor but also because everyone said the same thing when they dropped FW from the MB but now everyone wants the white MB to be discontinued.
Non-Removable = Dumb
Considering Apple's unsuccessful batteries in the past and the need for laptops to be as versatile and wall-socket independent as possible (even to the point of being able to swap-out batteries when one dies), this is by-far the STUPIDEST idea Apple has come up with recently - except for maybe the iPod, iTouch & iPhone all having batteries which can't be changed or swapped.
Really wished Apple would reconsider that strategy.
It's stuff like this which will make Hackintosh laptops more popular and ubiquitous.
Considering Apple's unsuccessful batteries in the past and the need for laptops to be as versatile and wall-socket independent as possible (even to the point of being able to swap-out batteries when one dies), this is by-far the STUPIDEST idea Apple has come up with recently - except for maybe the iPod, iTouch & iPhone all having batteries which can't be changed or swapped.
Really wished Apple would reconsider that strategy.
It's stuff like this which will make Hackintosh laptops more popular and ubiquitous.
The whole bottom part will be removable.
Really, do you have any idea what you are talking about? The unibody construction refers to the top part. The bottom part is just a slab and doesn't really affect the strength much.
Not necessarily. Making it removable increases the size (casing, connectors, latches etc. etc.). By making it non-removable, they can make it smaller (or, keep the size the same, but increase the capacity). There was also mention in this thread about new battery-tech that increases capacity but does not permit removable batteries. But I don't know about that, so I wont comment about it.
Sure they do. But how big are they?
I do now what I am talking about. It makes sense that the upper part of the laptop which is made from a single piece of aluminum would flex when it is the size of the 17" MBP if they make the aluminum the same thickness as the current MBP's. If they increase the thickness they increase the weight, but if they use a solid bottom instead of a two piece bottom (like the 15") the computer will be stronger and probably not flex. This is just my guess, take what you will.
Silver Oxide batteries dont have powering cycles or any of the other problems that litium ion batteries have, they dont get hot, they arnt dangerous, they wont set fire, theyre considerably lighter, much much lighter infact, and obdiously hold more charge.
I didn't read everything, but what to say that Apple won't do a fixed internal battery (non-removable) but also do a new external plug-and-charge type of battery for those that "need" to be able to use the laptop for 4+ hours without wall charging it?
I think that would make sense and is something that could be for all the laptops.
I think that would make sense and is something that could be for all the laptops.
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Bizarre having a non-removable battery considering that it would likely be used by serious professionals who need lots of battery juice and reasonable portability.
Bizarre having a non-removable battery considering that it would likely be used by serious professionals who need lots of battery juice and reasonable portability.
a single bottom would make it flex more! a two piece creates a rigid structual point along the hairline.
Even with a two part bottom, it'll be stronger than the current 17". And I haven't heard any reports of that bending/snapping
What serious professionals need a lot of battery juice and reasonable portability have a 17" laptop?
Surely you mean puissant?
As it happens I've never removed a laptop battery in my life, and I'm always on the move.
I won't buy anything with a glossy screen though. Seen it, hate it.
EDIT: Actually I DID have to remove a battery. I have a DELL XPS Gen 2, the ones with the exploding batteries.
Better hope the 17" MBP doesn't have a battery recall then eh...
Not likely.
Just a quick note on this, the problem with this theory is that it kind of goes against current EU directives, namely that all electronic devices have "readily removable" batteries. The translation is the EU is going to demand that all electronic devices have batteries that are user-serviceable.
It went into effect in September. To be honest I'm more expecting to get iPods with batteries you can pull rather than another laptop with a battery you can't remove.
You can read up on it more here:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itmanagement/0,1000000308,39499985,00.htm
Just a quick note on this, the problem with this theory is that it kind of goes against current EU directives, namely that all electronic devices have "readily removable" batteries. The translation is the EU is going to demand that all electronic devices have batteries that are user-serviceable.
It went into effect in September. To be honest I'm more expecting to get iPods with batteries you can pull rather than another laptop with a battery you can't remove.
You can read up on it more here:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itmanagement/0,1000000308,39499985,00.htm
I hope they keep the batteries user replaceable. I have a PowerBook G4 with 3 additional batteries (craigslist is a wonderful thing), all at varying levels of 'health'. In college, I'd bring at least one, if not two, with me at all times. I'd need to make it through a few 1.5 hour lectures, classes, group meetings, and then I'd go to the library and do some work, etc... At older schools/facilities, there isn't a power outlet every 20 feet, and they are hard to come by. Having several batteries saved me weekly, if not every few days.
And just this week, my dog chewed on my power cable, destroying it. So until I can afford to get it replaced, I'm living off battery life. I've gone through one already, and I have a few more. I'll definitely be able to make it through this week. Couldn't do that with a non-user replaceable battery.
And as for the iPhone? I dislike that battery too, though it's not as big of an issue. The battery in my BlackBerry Curve died earlier this year... I got a brand new, RIM battery (not 3rd party) shipped from Amazon.com for under $9. Popped it in, charged it up, and I was on my merry way.
Would longer battery life and thinner be nice? Yeah, sure. But personally, I'd still prefer the option to take it out and replace it. It'll be interesting to see how this rumor pans out.
And just this week, my dog chewed on my power cable, destroying it.
So until I can afford to get it replaced, I'm living off battery life. I've gone through one already, and I have a few more. I'll definitely be able to make it through this week. Couldn't do that with a non-user replaceable battery.And as for the iPhone? I dislike that battery too, though it's not as big of an issue. The battery in my BlackBerry Curve died earlier this year... I got a brand new, RIM battery (not 3rd party) shipped from Amazon.com for under $9. Popped it in, charged it up, and I was on my merry way.
Would longer battery life and thinner be nice? Yeah, sure. But personally, I'd still prefer the option to take it out and replace it. It'll be interesting to see how this rumor pans out.
You're kidding right?
No machine out there, from any OEM, gets even gets close to 12 hours of REAL LIFE usage. No exception.
Come back when I can get a 15-17" machine from them, which I can run for 6 hours atleast in real life, not their useless lab tests which consist of the machine being idle with the screen brightness turned all the way down, wifi turned off, hd not spinning and no apps running.
By real life I mean with wifi turned on, with screen at at least 75% brightness, with programs running etc.
On my current 17" MBP I can barely get 2 hours of work done.
Wow that sounds really cool! I could go for a laptop with a battery like that and would be fine if the battery wasn't user serviceable. I wouldn't be in the market for a 17" laptop but that would be great in a MB or 15" MBP.
The difference here is that the iPod/iPhone line has always been built for practicality. Not once have Apple take away an iPod future or capability for purely aesthetic purposes. Yes, I know the 3G models have shorter battery life, but that's because of the higher power requirements of the 3G radio. In 2G mode, you get better battery life. You always get form with function. There's a lot they could do to make the iPhone smaller, but that division is looking to make the best device possible, not set a Guinness book record. That's also why Apple got their monopoly there, they earned it.
There's a near term issue as well, if there's a major problem and holding down the power button doesn't work, how are you going to shut down the machine?