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17inch iMacs and no PowerMacs

Originally posted by shadowfax0
Ok, let's put the pieces together (yay, a puzzle!)

A) New rebate thing good until (end of?) August

B) Steve is 'excited' about processor development

C) CNet and all them say 'No new PowerMacs @ Expo"

- Ok, I think, due to all of this, (and alot of this is based on the 'Steve is excited' statement) He will introduce the Gx, which I have good reason to believe that it will be the G5 (The G5 has BEEN OUT for over a year people, just hasn't been used in desktops...) then he will say that they will start shipping in August sometime (for any nay-sayers, was the Xserve immediately available upon announcement...?) So this would coincide with the whole rebate AND not having powermacs physically *at* the expo. Think about it, their informant could have been one tricky fellow, one simple word like 'at' can make a huge difference! You are all taking it to mean the announcement will not be there, I take it as the powermacs are not PHYSICALLY going to being there, nice little monkey wrench in the gears there :p
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Furthermore, if steve let the rumor out to TS/Cnet, then over the next few days people who need a new PM asap may say, 'well I can't wait until Aug/Sep, so I'll buy now.' I don't know how much extra cahnnel this would clear, but the leaked rumor could help reduce channel and let them still have an exciting show.

MOM
 
as a PC user who wants to get rid of Windoze and move to an awesome PowerMac, this rumor dissapoints me. i have been waiting for a DDR PowerMac for a long time. i am so ready to get rid of this PC, i can hardly wait to get a PowerMac. this rumor definitely makes me want to buy a current PowerMac, and just forget about waiting to buy a newer one.

i have no clue what to do. i want a DDR based PowerMac so bad, but I don't know if i can wait any longer. what to do... what to do...
 
I'm just getting sick of these rumor sites.. it makes me mad reading this stuff. To hear that there will be new PMs and no iMac upgrades.. so I say to myself.. okay I'll get a new dual PM..when I'd love a 17" iMac.. but then I hear no PM's at all yet and now 17" imacs.... so I have to change my plans and all..

Basically I think ALL of these sites have absolutely NO IDEA what they are talking about. It's just good traffic to the site to click on the banners and make them money!

MacRumors.com is just a compilation of all the other sites.. they never come up with their own sources (rarely) rather simply browse around and provide us the service of getting all the info from the other sites in one place. That's why I like this site, but also dislike it...


the other sites, Thinksecret, MOSR, Spymac, CNEt (now) all have absolutely no idea wha'ts gonna happen, but they see all the geeks like me running around clicking on everything we see that says Mac on it.. so they get money..

it's kinda fun to read sometime, but we all get all hyped up and when the announcements that we wait for finally come, we are pissed because of our blown up dreams.... it happens every time.....

I always come away from my quicktime stream of the Expos VERY excited and ready to buy, but then come here to get the opinions of the Forums of the new products and everyone is disappointd so I second guess myself and apple's products.. and don't wind up getting ANYTHING... makes me mad that I do this, but I'm sure other would say the same.

I think we hurt ourselves and APPLE moer than we think by doing this.... perhaps that's why Apple's been dishing out knocks to all the rumor sites....

so.. if I can.. I am gonna see what happens and never look at these sites again (until I buy) so that I can't change my mind and be "talked out" of getting the new machine... cause I need one bad! -- and I encourage you all to do the same.. if you like what you see, then be willing to make the move without reading everyon else's "disapprovals" of no G5, or 2ghz chip or 400mhz DDR or whatever else comes up.. Go with your instincts, as I will try to as well.
 
This is getting funny...

I remember this time last year reading a million rumors about the flat-panel iMac coming out for sure at the MWNY expo. I had an old 333 iMac at the time and thought I would die if I didn't get a new flat-panel. Well, it didn't come out. What they did release was a 500mhz Snow with a CDRW in the low-end. I ended up getting that instead because I couldn't wait any longer. Looking back on it now, I think I made the right move. I sold my old one to a friend for a great price and put that money towards the new one. When the flat-panel finally did come out I loved the look of it but the price was just too high I think, for me that is, and the difference in screen space wasn't all that much.

I just don't get it when everyone says that the G3 can't run Photoshop or OSX very well. I'm a Graphic Designer and work all day at the office on a 500mhz G4 with a 21" screen. I must say that I don't hate coming home to my little iMac at all. I am currently running OS 10.1.5 and using both Illustrator 10 and Photoshop 7 (as well as a ton of other stuff) all on my iMac and it's really not that bad. In fact, it's even faster than my G4 at certain things. I get excited just like you guys at the idea of a 1Ghz 17" iMac but I don't NEED it.

Isn't part of the reason that we all love Macs the fact that even the older ones still kick ass compared to PC's?
 
Re: It sucks, but...

Originally posted by Q-bert
Regarding the above poster, PLEASE don't consider running a business anytime soon. If you ran a company with no concern about excess inventory control, I'd feel very sorry for your employees, since they'd all be out of jobs very quickly.

Here's some Business 101 for you - you do NOT introduce new models until you have sufficiently low stock of existing models, otherwise you have a glut of inventory that is practically impossible to get rid of. So while I'm not happy that I'll have to wait longer for a new PowerMac, I'm happy that Apple is at least attempting to run like a business that cares about staying in business. Even if they can't sell all of the old stuff (which is clear they won't), every bit towards removing old inventory helps. Sometimes suppliers will buy back inventory depending on the quantity, so reducing is ALWAYS a good idea from a business standpoint, no matter how disappointing it may be to rumor sites.
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normally i don't respond to such sophomoric posts but dude get your head out of your buttcrack...

there are many ways to deal with excess inventory including :
deep discounts( sell them at a loss as refurbished units...)
school donations(tax write-off)
employee incentives( possible write-off)
strip em down for parts
move them out to remote foreign markets
trash em ( companies do this all the time )

do you really think that if apple doesn't sell every last one of their current G4's they're gonna be in trouble and " all of their employees would be out of jobs very quickly".... read their balance sheet sometime...geeez. i get so tired of the "**** and jane" first grade business mentality.

here's a clue for ya: apple doesn't control the market-the users do. you sell what the consumer wants when they want it---or they go elsewhere or they allocate their capital for other assets-either way you lose the sale.

stick to your lemonade stand...you're way out of your league here.
 
Originally posted by Marianco
I will not buy the Dual 1GHz G4 model because it is only twice as fast as the ORIGINAL single 500 Mhz G4 which debuted in August 1999, fully 3 years ago. All you have to do is look at Apple's own specs using Final Cut Pro!!!
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actually, their site says the Dual 1 Ghz is 134% faster (http://www.apple.com/powermac/processor.html). that extra 34% is a big deal when dealing with gigundo graphics and vid files.

but I'm not looking to pick a fight. new releases without DDR would be real disappointing. no new release at all would be almost frightening.

with each stumble they need catch up time. too many and marketshare may fall, fall, fall.
 
CNET has their MWNY Press Credentials Terminated (or do they?)

Well, seeing as how Apple (read uncle Steve) has a policy of refusing to provide press passes to any site or publication that has rumors or even mentions or links to sites that do, I reckon that CNet should lose theirs, right?

I do so desperately hope that SOMEONE will bring up a very nasty lawsuit over this if they don't! I think someone (read uncle Steve) really needs their big, fat (even if black is so very slimming), middle-aged and balding head deflated chez Apple.

Keep up the good work!
 
Re: Blacklisted

Originally posted by adamschneids
Rumors huh? I guess this means CNet will be denied Expo press access, huh?

Yeah right!

Double standard???

Adam
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If you read the eWeek article, they probably did, but unlike all those other sites out there, nothing will happen to CNet because it has real lawyers.
 
3rdpath:

If Q-bert's post is sophmoric, what does does that make yours? (Hint: something worse.)
 
There are a lot of interesting posts here~

Danny, yours really is unique.
I don't understand how you got your conclusions, they seem very strange to me.
You dont have to go to a Rumor site to know or understand that DDRam has to come out, and to buy anything else without it is just plain stupid.

You can look at all the other computers in the world with DDRam and know that MACs are lacking without it!
I would hope that you dont need a rumor site to figure that out.

At the prices of APPLE computers they DAMN well better have DDRAM or they can forget about getting my money!

I have a Ti and an iMac and want a PRO machine.
But a Pro machine NEEDS PRO hardware.

APPLE went to ask video editors what they want in a machine.
I dont think that any of them want over 2 year old hardware!

If there are NO new PowerMacs this time around, it will hurt APPLE far more than throwing away all the useless stock they have in warehouses.

APPLE should have come out with improved hardware, ages ago! !

But they milked the old tech for premium profits.

APPLE is going to greedy themselves into the poor house.
The lackof sales on the 1 gig PowerMacs, is a message from the people.

APPLE get it together, get the hardware together, get the OS together!
We are NOT paying these prices for this old slow technology.

Its a RIP OFF , pure and simple. Its obvious everyone knows it.

If you can't keep up, you WILL be thrown out of the race.
 
I would be inclined to think the G4 update will happen in August.

The new G4 Quicksilver last year was announced at the August expo, not the July Mac World.

As always there will be a slowdown in mac sales before the expo, I guess they are offering the discount to clear stock and increase revenue for this month as the expo approaches.

Also, if they were to announce the G4 in July and not ship until August who would go out and buy the discount machines after the release if for a small amount more you can get a new machine with DDR etc. in about 3 weeks time.

I reckon on iMac speed bumps and maybe some suprise, but G4's in August.

I am hoping for an iPod update to support AAC, though I don't expect it until MPEG 4 iTunes and QT6 have been released....probably when Jag arrives.

Maybe this expo we will see new revisions of iApps and consumer HW, in Aug we'll get Pro machine updates.

:)
 
Originally posted by sjs
At the annual shareholder's meeting Steve answered a question about processors. He said he is very excited about what's coming this year. That was several months ago and the only proc progress was the G3 in the iBook.

Whether it happens next week or next month, I thoroughly believe the PM will get seriously upgraded.

And I am in total agreement about the need for 17" iMac at 1ghz. Its what I would buy and its what "switchers" would like.
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baahh..steve's always excited
 
Does Apple have too much old G4s?

Why don't they sell the old G4s to schools, so the teachers, professors, principals could get used to the Macs.

They would get rid of the surplus, make free marketing and find new fans.
 
I've been waiting a long time for Apple to make the DDR switch. If they don't do so by MWNY or perhaps August I'm just gonna get myself a PC and sell my Mac. I'll still use the iBook though. PC laptops suck for battery life after all.
 
Originally posted by Jack Tenric
I've been waiting a long time for Apple to make the DDR switch. If they don't do so by MWNY or perhaps August I'm just gonna get myself a PC and sell my Mac. I'll still use the iBook though. PC laptops suck for battery life after all.
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Read your own signature, man!!! Christ, you have a G4 733, 640 MB RAM, and a Radeon 8500. You sound like a spoiled child right now. I agree that Apple needs to get on the ball with the pro hardware, but is 1 month really too undearable to wait? I could understand the gripes coming from people stuck on Bondi iMacs, but not from someone with a steup like that.

Good god, people, we've waited this long. Can't we wait a little longer for the next big thing? I'm in the market too, folks. I'm stuck on a G4 450. You don't hear me complaining, though, and it's mostly because I've learned the cardinal lesson of Mac use: PATIENCE!!!!! The ne G4 will be here soon, guys. If it's as earth shattering as we're all making it out to be, then the next rev is going to be AWESOME no matter if it ships in July or August.
 
Re: CNET has their MWNY Press Credentials Terminated (or do they?)

Originally posted by spore
Well, seeing as how Apple (read uncle Steve) has a policy of refusing to provide press passes to any site or publication that has rumors or even mentions or links to sites that do, I reckon that CNet should lose theirs, right?

I do so desperately hope that SOMEONE will bring up a very nasty lawsuit over this if they don't! I think someone (read uncle Steve) really needs their big, fat (even if black is so very slimming), middle-aged and balding head deflated chez Apple.

Keep up the good work!
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You so desperately need to take a step back and breathe.
Lawsuit over what? Denying someone a press pass? That will be the day. Yeah our court system is a laughing stock, but that case will be laughed out as well.
Stop getting worked up over something that does not affect most of us anyway.
 
Are you done yet?

Is everyone done with their Tuesday morning quarterbacking?

My turn.
Yes they introduced a rebate promo which combines Powermacs and the LCD displays. You see this is a rebate pretty much on the displays and not the towers. Apple ran their tower rebates which just ended. If new towers are released they could transition the rebate thing to the new towers quite easily. Ever think it may be a discontiuation of the displays Apple is doing this for? Maybe a redesigned display is coming out.

Even if not, we all know new powermacs are in the chain. Maybe august, that is fine. I do agree though with people who say if its not at least 1.4Ghz it ain't worth it. I have a G4 400 and if it does not have 1.4Ghz speeds and DDR it won't be worth it for me to upgrade. What will be worth it is a 800Mhz or 1Ghz G4 upgrade processor.

I do agree with others as well that Apple should discount the existing towers to help move inventory. There are always those bargain hunters who sit on the sideline saying yeah I want a new tower and I want it now. But cut a number of dollars of the towers price and they say forget it, I'll buy a tower now and make do. Apple rarely is willing to trim prices on their computers which I think is not a very good policy. Discount the old stuff and maybe just maybe one of the PC lamers might pick one up as a second machine. At worst they sells it to someone who wants it. At best he becomes a convert based on that. Especially in a slumping economy you need to discount older merchandise to get it to move. CompUSA's in my area are still sitting on Graphite G4 towers and worse a graphite iBook! WTF is that, give the some slack in cutting that price.
There will be your cry babies over price, but thats just too bad. The computer industry works that way. Dell cuts prices by the hour.

For the whiners, if you are not happy and want to jump on the dream PC system. Have fun. Don't create threads over here and other mac sites about it though. Shut up and buy it. We don't want to hear your diatribes on why you left. You left, good for you.

And all those with the Steve are you listening (reading) posts, let me tell you he is not listening or reading the tuesday morning quarterbacks. Yeah being a control freak and all means he has no time for this BS over here. You are chatting amongst a community here. Not some pulpit with Steve Jobs as an audience. Get over it. You don't like it, go back to the PC thing. Buy it and forget the mac.
Ranting and raving won't teach Apple anything. Not buying their products will force them to learn the hard way. Thats the way things work.


:) :) :)
 
C!Net may not be the most reliable

But I believe this rumor to be true. The rebate is true. The last rebate like this showed exactly when the next towers would be released. And for those holding out on buying a Mac until the next G4 is released, get a Flat Panel iMac already. It supports:

3 USB ports on the back, 2 Firewire ports (that's 65 400 Mbps hard drives, cameras, scanners per port), 10/100 ethernet, 56k modem, SVGA for mirroring to external display, Plaintalk microphone, headphone style output and pro speaker output as well as internal speakers in the dome. AT $1899 new which may go down in Macworld, it includes a DVD burner which no other PC does at that price range, and it includes a very nice 60 GB hard drive. Honestly, I don't know why people complain they can't get their towers, when the Flat Panel iMac already supports up to 1 GB of RAM. Who really needs more? I have this iMac and it is the best thing Apple has ever done, the best thing any computer company has ever done.
 
Re: C!Net may not be the most reliable

Originally posted by gopher
Honestly, I don't know why people complain they can't get their towers, when the Flat Panel iMac already supports up to 1 GB of RAM. Who really needs more? I have this iMac and it is the best thing Apple has ever done, the best thing any computer company has ever done.
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You shouldn't really make generalizations like that, because no matter what, someone will always need more of something, regardless. They might not be *every* user, but they're out there. I can come up with several scenarios that could need more than 1 GB of RAM.

Over all, Apple machines are great, but they are slacking in a lot of ways. To not come out with a new G4 next week and put it off until August won't help them, period. And if they have a new case design, which seems to be the general consensus, to not use MWNY as a vehicle to present it goes against almost everything Apple has done before.

I *really* want to see a new enclosure, faster memory/bus, etc. this month, even though I'm not going to buy one till next year, its just that Apple is still playing catchup with the Wintel world and we can't afford to let the gap widen.

D
 
If Apple is planning not to release the updated G4 as expected, then they must have something pretty crazy up their sleeve to woo the masses. Calculated risk assessment. Certainly an expanded iMac won't be enough. I reckon that they'd need something way more revolutionary than another iPod-type digital device too
 
Re: But the buyers...

Originally posted by AngusB
Of Course the powermacs are showing a 10 day wait on shipping right now...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................
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That's all I need to hear to know that we'll be getting new G4s next week.....so much for the rumor.

Now here's a thought, Apple was specifically trying to subdue the rumors, right - there was an article on that. So what's to stop them from counter-rumor proliferation by sending out incorrect info, like no new G4s and a 17" LCD iMac?

Last expo, MWSF 02, they went with the 'hype', now they're just trying to mislead us so it more of a surprise. Craziness.
 
Re: But the buyers...

Originally posted by AngusB
Of Course the powermacs are showing a 10 day wait on shipping right now...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................
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This is a huge point that, while not definitive, makes a good argument toward there being new towers at MWNY. If there is truly a glut in towers right now, in fact, lots sitting around that can't be sold --- why would it take 10 days to ship the base configurations? It simply doesn't make sense.

However, nor does it make sense that the current promo lasts into August. I might be mistaken, but Apple tends to not announce new hardware while a promo is currently going on.

Everything other than the above two points is utter speculation, which almost always turns out to be wrong. Especially considering two reports, 180 degrees from each other, appear to be circulating around throught he rumor mill. We know they can't BOTH be true.

So I say: If we can figure out how to make sense of the two points I mentioned above (and of course others have mentioned as well), we might be able to figure out what's happening here. Because it doesn't appear to make a whole lot fo sense.

Simply going on about the doom and gloom of Apple is a waste of time, if you ask me. Personally, I don't understand why people get so worked up over this stuff -- I myself am on a G4 450 Sawtooth, and frankly, it suits the needs of myself and my girlfriend fine. She does tons of video and Photoshop, I am more on the audio side. More speed would be nice, but it's certainly not necessary. And this is a 3 year old machine, if my spacetime memory is serving me right. I think some people here need to get a reality check.

Another point: I think some of the alleged power-users here should consider the Xserve for their CPU needs. With the firewire, PCI and AGP expansion on that thing, it would work really well in a bunch of creative fields, as well as server environments.
 
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