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Re: Yikes. Even MSNBC is reporting on it.

Originally posted by Skandranon
Hit it up fellas. These are dark times, alright.

Apple to give iMac a face-lift.

:eek: :confused: :(


If you look closely, it's exactly the same article as the CNET article, written by the same person, etc.

MSNBC is just spreading the same rumors as CNET; this is nothing new.
 
Check it out yourself, folks

The Apple store is shipping any G4 in 1-3 days, be it stock configuration or custom. THE ONLY configuration that has a 10 day waiting period is one with a GeForce4 Ti video card. So... looks like we *MAY* be stuck with these old G4's for another month. I find it hard to believe that Apple would not use MWNY as a place to showplace its new towers, so I'm still holding out for new towers. I've got my old G4 on ebay right now, so it'll suck if I have to go over a month with no computer at home. Even if new towers ARE announced, it still may be mid-late August before it actually arrives.
 
Originally posted by shadowfax0
Ok, let's put the pieces together (yay, a puzzle!)

A) New rebate thing good until (end of?) August

B) Steve is 'excited' about processor development

C) CNet and all them say 'No new PowerMacs @ Expo"

- Ok, I think, due to all of this, (and alot of this is based on the 'Steve is excited' statement) He will introduce the Gx, which I have good reason to believe that it will be the G5 (The G5 has BEEN OUT for over a year people, just hasn't been used in desktops...) then he will say that they will start shipping in August sometime (for any nay-sayers, was the Xserve immediately available upon announcement...?)


This makes perfect sense!

Apple has been playing the "switch" ads for a while now, but which system do they want people to switch to?

The rebate offer is for PowerMac G4s.


Ergo, there will be G5s announced in a week to convert even the last PC users!
 
3 things:

1) I went to apple's online store and the G4s have a 1-3 day wait
2) The rebates are on the MONITORS, not the towers. Apple may have need to sell all the old monitors because new ones are coming out.
3) I hope Apple doesn't take too long to introduce new towers because I can get payroll deduction on purchases up to the end of August. I would like to get a nice tower and monitor but won't get this year's stuff. I'll probably get a 17" iMac if they come out.
 
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Well, this IS accurate. But it's PRO USERS who author this stuff. And we're getting screwed. The factor holding up the sales of the new iMac is a abyssmally slow bus and RAM speed. And the fact that it got some bad reviews because IE is so slow on the Mac OS. Apple needs to put up-to-date technology in their machines, not 5 year old crap with a rediculously high price tag.

No new towers is suicidal. If you have AAPL stock, sell now.

There's only one thing I can think of. There's no "rumors" sites allowed at the expo, and there's no new towers. I can only hope that Apple is going to preview the G5 to the press and analysts, and they don't want any leaks. This is the only thing I can figure. The NEED to do this to keep the analysts from predicting certain death for the company. So, this COULD mean tht the G5 is just around the corner.

If not, this is a giant pneumatic bolt gun to the skull of Apple Computer. :rolleyes:

Just absurd.
 
All just rumors...

Let's all keep in mind that on the same day that the TS/CNET rumor was published, another reputable rumor site, Railhead Design came out with a completely opposite rumor.

TS was the source of the CNET article (which was the source of the MSNBC article). TS has been wrong before, as has CNET. If CNET had chosen to listen to a different rumor site, they would be reporting that all-new G4s are coming out with DDR RAM and 1.4Ghz.

G5? I kind of think not. If G5 was so imminent, why would they have released the G4 XServe only a few months before?

No one knows the real truth, so don't let these silly rumors get you all depressed. (I know, it's hard...)
 
mid august is ok for me, as long as they're dual 1.4ghz with ddr and a faster bus. if they're bumped to 1.2ghz with the same memory and bus, i'll be upset. i still think we'll see them at this MW, though. here's hoping.
 
A Good Move For Apple

Anyone hoping that the C/net MSNBC stories may be untrue is deluding themselves. C/net is not Spymac. I would imagine that Apple wants to give a heads up to the industry so that people will not wait to buy towers ahead of MWNY announcements. There is a special through August 12. If you need to buy, buy now.

A 17" LCD iMac with a superdrive and 933 mhz for less than $2,000 would absolutely rock. As stated earlier in the thread, there is no reason for a consumer to buy a 15" LCD iMac when they can by an eMac with a 17" CRT monitor for $1100. Apple must do something to create a difference between the eMac and the iMac. This is it.

It will be OK. We're in the midst of a drastic tech sector downturn. Apple will survive, and even thrive. The towers will be out in August, 6 months after they were refreshed in February. Jaguar will be great. MWNY will be fun, with dozens of new product announcements.

Don't worry; be happy:D
 
QuiteSure is right in my opinion. Apple is the only company that has a really optimistic future. Dell is gaining market share, but at the cost of their margin and quality. Dell can afford to wage price wars with the other PC manufacturers. That's not what Apple is about. Its exactly what Steve Jobs said at MWSF. They are going to get through this by innovating. That costs plenty of money to do, but it is worth it. Don't worry about not getting all the ridiculous rumors at the MacWorld. What we will get will no doubt be good enough for 90% of people. Its stupidity to build it up and be disappointed. This happened at SF and I'm sure it happened last year. Let's try something different and actually support Apple. What we have been doing is offering up wild expectations and becoming angry when our speculations turn out to be completely misfounded. What we are adhering to lately is the very definition of insanity. Let's try something different for a change.
 
I've been reading all of these posts, as well as keeping up on the Intel/AMD world quite a lot recently (eh, I have no life).

From what I gather, Intel is releasing a 2.6GHz and 2.8GHz version of the P4 in August. And, as most everyone knows, AMD is using a marketing strategy to keep sales high.

We also have RailHeadDesign.com's prediction of single 1GHz, Dual-1.2GHz, and Dual-1.4GHz.

Putting two and two together, I've come up with this:

- Intel releases 2.6GHz and 2.8GHz.
- Apple releases the PowerMac 2400 and the PowerMac 2800 in the same time frame.

Maybe this isn't about inventories (which aren't THAT high), but rather, delivering a punch to Intel. For AMD, the naming scheme has worked marvelously. I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple use it, too.
 
I was just wondering about everyone who was complaining about the possible lack of any PM update this MW. Would it kill you to wait just one more month? Ugh.


Anyways : :D
 

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Everyone needs to realize that Motorola is the major player in getting out new PowerMacs. All Apple does is design the damn case. They couldn't put DDR in previous models beacause the stupid G4's didn't support any bus other than SDRAM. Two years after DDR is release, a G4 has finally been produced that does. You have to realize, although Apple is a big supporter of the G4, the big networking company's (i.e. CISCO) are the major buyers of the G4 chip. I think Apple should start threatening Motorola, like Intel and Microsoft do to their partners/clients.

Also, Apple should skip ATA133 and head straight for Serial ATA. Intel will have mobo's out by the end of the summer with it. This could give apple an early 'edge'.

Doesn't look like Motorola will have RapidIO support until the G5. Who knows when that'll be here. Intel's 3GIO will be here by early next year.

If Apple doesn't make some bold moves here SOON, they'll have no choice to port OSX to x86 and just become the software company they really are.
 
Originally posted by MrEFord
The reason why there will be no upgrades to the "G4s".....

.....because G5s shall come!

Yes, we must all pray.

-E
even if it comes out,it might not be fast as we all imagine it to be..
 
Re: Re: Yikes. Even MSNBC is reporting on it.

Originally posted by trodel_post



If you look closely, it's exactly the same article as the CNET article, written by the same person, etc.

MSNBC is just spreading the same rumors as CNET; this is nothing new.
maybe this 17" imac is some kind of distraction rumor? remember iWalk
 
Originally posted by hitman
I was just wondering about everyone who was complaining about the possible lack of any PM update this MW. Would it kill you to wait just one more month? Ugh.

It's killing me just waiting 7 days. I've already started digging a hole in my backyard and engraving my headstone. I don't know whether to call it death by Steve or Moto.

I've been waiting long enough. Let's see, since MYSF and before that.

However, I believe they're going to come out with something really good. They ignored us last time. I could care less aqbout a new case design, but a new bus and processor etc would be great.
 
I don't doubt the 17" iMac at all. Digitimes reported back in May that Quanta (who makes the current iMac displays) signed a deal to produce 17" and 19" iMac displays. You can't get to the article anymore without being a paying member (**cking losers) but you can still do a search on their sight and see the headline. It reads

Quanta Computer will ship new 17 and 19-inch iMacs beginning in 3Q

and is dated May 31 2002

www.digitimes.com
 
Dumb

(The G5 has BEEN OUT for over a year people, just hasn't been used in desktops...)

No. The G5 has not come out yet. The MPC 8500, or whatever they call it, has. It is an embedded-use proc. No altivec. Very limited feature set. It is a step down from the 604, let alone the G3 or *gasp* the G4.

See, your problem is lack of knowledge. There are many people out there who are more knowledgable than you. These people work at Apple, Motorola, Microsoft, AMD, ATi, nVidia, Intel, and so on.

These are the people who make the decisions. And remember, they know more than you. They have also probably have had more education in the field. Plus, as an added incentive, in most cases their jobs depend on the decisions they make.

Okay, so Steve is somewhat temperamental. But you have no right to second guess a company's decisions unless you are a shareholder, and even then you shouldn't rumormonger.

Spreading totally false rumors only serves to disillusion people when those impossible predictions fail to come true.

Now, Apple may intro a new G4 model, and even go so far as to call it a G5. Apple may even put real DDR on their machines (unlike the XServe's arch, which is horribly crippled). Apple actually has to build their own Controllers, so even the Xserve's mobo was quite a feat. Dell, for example, does not build their own controller architecture. But Apple will not release a machine which uses the MPC 8500. They might release a network switch, ala cisco, which uses that moto part, but Apple has never been into building networking equipment.

I am an Apple shareholder. Fundamentally, I realise that Apple is currently in a bind. Intel has a 2.5Ghz P4 with a 533Mhz FSB. That is not only a heck of a lot faster than any current mac, but also offers a 5:1 proc:bus ratio. For comparison, the PowerMac G4 500, the last really competitive mac in terms of raw speed, had the same ratio. Apple needs DDR. Apple needs speed. Only Motorola can provide these two things.

Apple has tried to build their own solutions, as with the Xserve. It is very difficult to build a new motherboard architecture from scratch. Motorola refuses to make a DDR G4 solution, because it would be wasted research for them, as the G5 will have integrated DDR (of note: the G5 will likely be based on the MPC 8500, which has integraated DDR, therefore leading to my conclusion). So I huddle down and wait for motot to get their act together. Apple, however, seems to be doing quite nicely, aside from the usual high-margin issue of how much they feel they can get away with shafting their customers .
 
Originally posted by TechKid
Digitimes reported back in May that Quanta (who makes the current iMac displays) signed a deal to produce 17" and 19" iMac displays.

I remember that headline. We all thought it was a misprint because Apple had just released the 15" iMac and wouldn't want to cannabalize its sales. I guess we were wrong.

But can the iMac stainless steel arm support a 19" display?:confused:
 
I can't wait for APPLE to do the next, most amazingly completely stupid throat cutting suicidal act. I think it amazing how Jobs manages to anger and isolate people that are dying to love him and his company.

You think its easy to take the near completely loyal and turn them into rabid traitors. It isnt, believe me!

So, hold on to the new PowerMacs, APPLE. While you try vainly to force old stock on people, allow all your AD work to go unrewarded because of bad timing.
Push the people that want to switch back into the WINTEL world with displays of boring MW's, poor hardware and FAR too high prices.

Insult everyone's intelligence!

Then reap your rewards, Jobs.

Apple loves to shoot itself in the head, they have done it SO many times already.
But this time there isnt going to be a resusitation.
NO, video pros to pump life back into the base.
No, graphics pros to drag your body back to the game.

Most have them have gone to the WINTEL world for speed and power.

Oh, your counting on the masses to shore up sales..ahahahahahahaha
Thats SO funny, the masses dont buy computers that cost $3000.

If this wasnt so pathetic, it would be hilarious!

SEND a message to APPLE, buy nothing that isnt worth it.
 
Re: Re: It sucks, but...

Lemonade stand? So very adult of you, you got me there... :rolleyes:

Not to start a flame war here (too late, I guess), but I was simply pointing out that you can't simply IGNORE excess inventory, which is what the original message I responded to was implying. I run a successful business, so I'm quite aware of the different techniques for clearing inventory, I don't need a lecture from the likes of you.

I NEVER said that Apple needed to sell every last one of their existing G4 systems or they'd be out of business, you just made that up. I DID say that anyone who runs a business with no concern about inventory management would go out of business very quickly, and that's true. And you seem to think that simply "trashing 'em" to introduce new models just to save a month of waiting for the MacAddicts, or wait for tax incentives derived from donating them is the smartest business choice! This, in a climate where computers aren't selling in general and Apple's stock is underperforming like crazy. Do you REALLY think that waiting a mere month to introduce new models is a WORSE choice than doing a month's worth of inventory clearance? Wow, perhaps my alleged "lemonade stand business logic" isn't such a bad business model. Face it - the readers here and on other rumor sites don't necessarily represent the majority of PowerMac purchasers. Even if the average MacRumors reader won't buy a current PowerMac because they're waiting for the G6 with 866MHz octa-pumped FSB with Firewire 3, specials and/or discounted pricing on existing stock for the more typical PowerMac customer may allow Apple to clear out enough inventory to make a month's wait worthwhile for all parties. Then they can introduce other models and pursue the other inventory clearance options that you so elegantly copied out of your high-school econ textbook for me.

I do agree with you that if inventory clearance is the goal and the CNet article is correct, then Apple should be more agressive with the discounts than just LCD monitor discounts. However, here's something from my buttcrack for you to chew on - I know for a FACT that Apple HAS been selling G4 towers to employees at deep discounts to clear inventory. Yet another option from your provided list. Still think they're complete idiots who don't know how to run a business?

But I let's get back to my fundamental point - I too agree with most posters here that Apple NEEDS to get faster systems out there very soon, the current PowerMacs are lagging big-time. What I disagree with are armchair CEOs encouraging Apple to make not-so-smart business decisions just to satisfy that lust we all have for new systems. Apple should get better and more powerful PowerMac systems out there, but it should not be at the expense of basic business logic.
 
Re: Dumb

Originally posted by qwerpafw

See, your problem is lack of knowledge. There are many people out there who are more knowledgable than you. These people work at Apple, Motorola, Microsoft, AMD, ATi, nVidia, Intel, and so on.

These are the people who make the decisions. And remember, they know more than you. They have also probably have had more education in the field. Plus, as an added incentive, in most cases their jobs depend on the decisions they make.
- Did something get lodged in your butt or do you always say things like this to people? I'm hoping your just being sarcastic. As this is all for fun.
 
Originally posted by wsteineker


Read your own signature, man!!! Christ, you have a G4 733, 640 MB RAM, and a Radeon 8500. You sound like a spoiled child right now. I agree that Apple needs to get on the ball with the pro hardware, but is 1 month really too undearable to wait? I could understand the gripes coming from people stuck on Bondi iMacs, but not from someone with a steup like that.

Good god, people, we've waited this long. Can't we wait a little longer for the next big thing? I'm in the market too, folks. I'm stuck on a G4 450. You don't hear me complaining, though, and it's mostly because I've learned the cardinal lesson of Mac use: PATIENCE!!!!! The ne G4 will be here soon, guys. If it's as earth shattering as we're all making it out to be, then the next rev is going to be AWESOME no matter if it ships in July or August.

First of all. I am not a spoiled child. I worked damn hard to get a Mac after years of saving without a job. When I got one finally, I was blown away by all but the speed. The G4 733 w/ Radeon 8500 runs games like crap. I need a machine with REAL speed. You obviously base your speed comparisions on a Mac vs Mac basis. Compared to the current batch of PCs, my 733 just doesn't cut it and neither does the DP 1GHz. The video drivers for the Mac Radeon 8500 need work. Games run slower than they did on my old GF2 MX. The new DDR Macs and 10.2 are what will help bring Apple back into the running again.

As to the learning patience bit. I have tons of patience but AMD had DDR RAM in '98. That goes beyond patience. Apple needs this upgrade quite badly if they want any level of respect in the computer community. I'm not complaining about 1 month. I have waited years for this.
 
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