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17inch iMacs and no PowerMacs

Also....

I REALLY hate it that ThinkSecret has the same info, only expanded on. Maybe they and CNet are talking to the same 'informants' and such, but it's disconcerting that's for sure. Hoping that RailHead is right (they're usually accurate) and ThinkSecret is DEAD wrong...

-- J
 
Originally posted by Beej
17" iMacs? Hmmm... not sure about that one...

But not seeing new PowerMacs until mid August (12th or later) doesn't sound too bad to me. It is not unusual for Apple to announce a product at a MW and release it a little while later when production is motoring along.

In this case, Apple could announce new PowerMacs on the 17th and release them on the 13th, just under a month later.
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If the idea is to clear out current inventory, making any announcement or hint about new systems in a month would make that plan of clearing things out a disaster.
 
Re: Also....

Originally posted by JtheLemur
I REALLY hate it that ThinkSecret has the same info, only expanded on. Maybe they and CNet are talking to the same 'informants' and such, but it's disconcerting that's for sure. Hoping that RailHead is right (they're usually accurate) and ThinkSecret is DEAD wrong...

-- J
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There is a very good reason to believe that cnet and ThinkSecret are accurate. It seems odd that Apple would put out a new rebate promotion and have that run while new powermacs are announced and coming down the pike.

Just remember though when the G4's originally were announced, none of the rumor sites saw it happening even a day before the announcement. Just about all of them were saying they were going to come much later. Apple could surprise everyone but if I put money on it, I'd have to agree with cnet and thinksecret.
 
Granted it's rumor, but it looks like the PC industry, and Apple, are in the ****ter this year.

It's ugly and getting uglier.
 
the more i think about this the more i think it could be true...

WHY?

because its about as stupid a move as apple could make....

i love this quote from the article: [ As one dealer put it, "Professional system sales have slowed to a trickle. They've got to clear stock before they rollout new models. That's how bad it is." ]

so by all means, keep trying to sell the old stuff...

and a new larger screen for the imac...c'mon, every report says they're not selling that well since the original hoopla wore off...who thinks a larger screen is gonna impress the consumer market?

someone send them some first year college business and marketing books...and do it quickly.:rolleyes:
 
Ok, let me see.

1. A few month ago I said that the iMac could handle a 17" screen, everybody made fun of me. I was saying that the frame around the screen was taking too much room. Well, here we go, posibly a 17" iMac. But ;ets wait for the expo better.

2. I said possibly G5s, of course I was wrong, but let me tell you, there is a processor upgrade comming on because even ME would like to get a PC as my next computer (I would always keep my Macs around), specially because compatibility issues, som avi movies can't run in my Mac and some web pages looks different, etc. I do not get along with any type of emulator neither.

So, looks like Apple is having fun with the rumors sites now
:)
 
I think that Apple could be purposefully misleading all the news/rumors sites with this information. There will probably be new PowerMacs announced with a shipping date of early to mid August at the same time as the release of Jaguar. I'm sure that Apple is waiting til PC sales and the economy improve until they announce G5's or a new digital device. Although Apple did say that they were going to inovate themselves out of the economic slump.
 
i can see them not shipping the new powermacs until august... but to not even mention them.... well that just seems tough to believe.

only another week... i can't wait
 
Originally posted by daRAT
Yep a BIG mistake if this is true! Unless they up the cpu speed also in the Imac too, like to the 933mhz chip. The do away with the 800mhz tower.

Anyone buy a Xserve yet? I was kinda wondering, tip it on it's side and you have a "new" tower :]

*heh*

Oh well...maybe in August ...
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The limitation in the imac is bus speed. I suspect they are not de-crippling that. I wish I were wrong. Hooking a bigger display to it must be to address some corporate feedback from sales geeks, not some compelling consumer demand issue.

X-serve as a tower alternative is actually a sensational idea. A top of the line powermac is about the same price and processor speed but the XS has much faster bus and IO and adding drives as needed is not only cheap but top notch performance.

I suspect as this option becomes more favorable there will be a run on 4u closures as tower closure alternatives.

URL's for micro racks anyone?

Why wait? Start a fad now. Apple announced already that additional servers are available as BTO sans OSX Server.

Rocketman

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The CNET story rings true mainly because of the PowerMac promotion Apple just announced, right on the tail of a previous promotion. Since I was assuming new towers as a given at MWNY, I was puzzled that this promotion was supposed to last through August. Apple generally discontinues an old model the day they start shipping the new one. And when they announce a deadline for a promotion it always runs for that period. These two facts are hard to reconcile with any sort of introduction of a new PowerMac, so when I read this article it really clicked.

I don't think they'll even mention new PowerMacs at MWNY. it would step all over their promotion.

At any rate, I though a while back Apple decided to stop introducing major new products _only_ at Macworld Expo, since it was causing a big sales slowdown whenever an Expo is coming up. I haven't seen much evidence of this strategy since the iPod was introduced, but this would be consistent with the strategy.

Personally, I am somewhat disappointed because I am poised to purchase my first new computer in years (the last one I bought was a G3 (beige) desktop). Although the decision is between an iMac and a PowerMac G4 I am leaning towards maximum performance (i.e. the PowerMac). On the other hand, I probably won't be in a position to make the purchase until the end of August, so if they introduce in mid-August it would be about right for me. If they wait much longer, though, I am going to be very frustrated!

Some of the other news is intriguing, especially the new monitors. One anomaly in the line as it exists right now is that, in my opinion, the iMac LCD is superior in quality to the stand-alone LCD monitors. The variation in brightness with extreme viewing angle is really amazing in the iMac, but I don't think the other LCDs from Apple have this property. I wonder if the new monitors will. Should be interesting to see what happens.
 
I'm inclined to believe Thinksecret and Cnet. Thinksecret says they're "100% certain" of no new powermacs--in my days following TS, I don't think I've ever read them 100% certain about anything.

And the stuff about the most recent promotion makes sense. Why would Apple start a promotion tied to Powermacs a week before they're replaced by a new line?

The 17" iMac? Who freakin cares?! And we already know almost everything there is to know about Jaguar and QT6. If this is all we're getting from Steve, wow, this will be the worst Expo ever. Wow.
 
boo hoo...

this is the kind of news that makes me mad in many ways. if it's true, it shows a pathetic move on Apple's part. potential converts have never been so interested in the Mac as now. if they don't come up with some competitive hardware soon they can kiss the "switch" thing goodbye. and if it's not true, and this is just Apple sending out bullsh!t rumors to create a smokescreen then that makes me mad too. plus, i was just getting ready to dump a ton of money on a serious new studio power system and if i have to wait any longer i'll be screwed, and thus, very mad. i'll be at MWNY, and if i wait all day for a new PowerMac and Steve says "oh, one more thing..." and pulls out a digital picture frame, i'll never buy a Mac again.
 
Ploys and more ploys

We are in accordance that the lack of a substantial upgrade to the PowerMacs is just a huge, egregious blight on the relevance of Apple in the current computing world and its minions, us (OS X.2 is going to rock, but it better have the hardware to compliment it.)

And, we seem to disagree with CNet, for our minds are so clouded with dillusions of g5 and dual 1.4 Ghz g4 that we will not accept anything less. We power users are extremely hungry. We need to be fed, and we all believe that Steve will feed us. Let us hope that he does.

Steve loves to showboat and he loves to maintain the mystique of Apple. Part of the fascination we have with Apple is attributed to the very opaque way of how they conduct business. Misinformation would not be out of the question.

But, I think that a delay in the release of a new PowerMac architecture with all the fixings will anger many loyal MacAddicts. Perhaps, if the CNet article rings true, many of us will lose some faith in Apple. I know I will. I will even consider dropping money on a dream PC that would tear apart the dual 1 Ghz g4 PowerMac out of spite.

I am keeping faith until the keynote. This is almost a do or die situation for Apple in terms of appeasing its power users.

Kudos to Steve for disemminating false information(I hope.)
 
Originally posted by TyleRomeo
this supports my Display conclusion that new Power Macs wont happen until after august 12th and will come with Jaguar included. Apple has to get rid of its current PowerMacs that just arent selling as well as they should be by offering huge rebates on the monitors. Hey maybe by then Firewire 2 and USB 2 or even a new Superdrive will be included in the new PowerMacs
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Sounds about right. This is the most level headed comment I've read about the subject. Instead of screaming about 1.4Ghz this and DDR-RAM that, just wait one more month. It's not going to kill anyone. :rolleyes:
 
At the annual shareholder's meeting Steve answered a question about processors. He said he is very excited about what's coming this year. That was several months ago and the only proc progress was the G3 in the iBook.

Whether it happens next week or next month, I thoroughly believe the PM will get seriously upgraded.

And I am in total agreement about the need for 17" iMac at 1ghz. Its what I would buy and its what "switchers" would like.
 
It sucks, but...

Originally posted by 3rdpath
the more i think about this the more i think it could be true...

WHY?

because its about as stupid a move as apple could make....

i love this quote from the article: [ As one dealer put it, "Professional system sales have slowed to a trickle. They've got to clear stock before they rollout new models. That's how bad it is." ]

so by all means, keep trying to sell the old stuff...

and a new larger screen for the imac...c'mon, every report says they're not selling that well since the original hoopla wore off...who thinks a larger screen is gonna impress the consumer market?

someone send them some first year college business and marketing books...and do it quickly.:rolleyes:
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I agree with most everyone here, this is very disappointing news if true. I was waiting to upgrade some of our PowerMac systems after a potential MWNY announcement (against my better judgement, I was getting excited about potential hype - never again). However...

Regarding the above poster, PLEASE don't consider running a business anytime soon. If you ran a company with no concern about excess inventory control, I'd feel very sorry for your employees, since they'd all be out of jobs very quickly.

Here's some Business 101 for you - you do NOT introduce new models until you have sufficiently low stock of existing models, otherwise you have a glut of inventory that is practically impossible to get rid of. So while I'm not happy that I'll have to wait longer for a new PowerMac, I'm happy that Apple is at least attempting to run like a business that cares about staying in business. Even if they can't sell all of the old stuff (which is clear they won't), every bit towards removing old inventory helps. Sometimes suppliers will buy back inventory depending on the quantity, so reducing is ALWAYS a good idea from a business standpoint, no matter how disappointing it may be to rumor sites.

So yeah, it sucks, but on the other hand - suck it up and wait, if the August rumor is true. It's not the end of the world either way.
 
Originally posted by Marianco
When Apple transitioned from the Quadra 660AV with 25 MHz 68030 to the 132 MHz PowerPC 604 in 1996, that was a huge EIGHT times jump in speed.
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The 660AV came out in 1993, not 1996. The fastest Quadra was 40MHz, and the following Powermac series fastest speed was 80MHz. A 2x jump in CPU speed (without a bus speed increase - the 8100/80 still had a 40MHz bus.)

Your eight times jump in speed took place over 3 years. What was Apple shipping 3 years ago? A G3/400 or something?
 
Ok, let's put the pieces together (yay, a puzzle!)

A) New rebate thing good until (end of?) August

B) Steve is 'excited' about processor development

C) CNet and all them say 'No new PowerMacs @ Expo"

- Ok, I think, due to all of this, (and alot of this is based on the 'Steve is excited' statement) He will introduce the Gx, which I have good reason to believe that it will be the G5 (The G5 has BEEN OUT for over a year people, just hasn't been used in desktops...) then he will say that they will start shipping in August sometime (for any nay-sayers, was the Xserve immediately available upon announcement...?) So this would coincide with the whole rebate AND not having powermacs physically *at* the expo. Think about it, their informant could have been one tricky fellow, one simple word like 'at' can make a huge difference! You are all taking it to mean the announcement will not be there, I take it as the powermacs are not PHYSICALLY going to being there, nice little monkey wrench in the gears there :p
 
WHAT!!!!

If they do a 17" iMac then surely they'd up the CPU as well in the high end model, just lke they did when they introduced the new iBook 14"

However, Where can they go? They already have 800 Mhz! and the TOP line Powermac is 1Ghz! then a 933!

If they increase the iMac, it'd look to close to the Powermac.. or even HIGHER than where the PM is at already.. they coudln't do a 1ghz.. although I'd LOVE That, but unless they up the PM's at the same time.. I don't see it.


If the 17" iMac had a video OUT so I could add a monitor or an INput so I could share the monitor with another tower, I'd buy. But I want 17" and 1Ghz!
 
Hey folks - I don't think this is so crazy from a business perspective for Apple. A lot of the potential consumer market this time of year is parents buying their kids a computer for college. The truth is that the current imac and the emac are too close to each other and the even though the emac is an "education" computer Apple really wants dorm rooms full of attention getting imacs to make the pc'ers drool. The 17" imac will differentiate it from the emac.

As for everyone hear who is disappointed that there probably will be no tower updates, it shouldn't be too big of a deal because we will probably still get our machines exactly when we would have otherwise - they just won't be announced early. Again, this makes good sense for Apple because they need to clear inventory. Now those of us who read MacRumors everyday know there's an update around the bend, whether its announced at MW or not, but the average computer buyer probably doesn't. And to those folks the rebate probably sounds pretty good. Back when I was more rational about my computer purchases, I always used to buy last generation apple equipment when the rebates came. But once I knew the new hardware was announced, I couldn't buy the old stuff anymore. Its really just psychological, but its powerful. So this will let a lot of folks get a good deal without making them conflicted over $$ vs. power.

And those of us who read MacRumors everyday are going to buy the new 1.4GHz whenever they are announced, so Steve really doesn't have to worry about frustrating us. He doesn't really need to cater to us at all to keep our business and so from a business point of view he shouldn't. I'd like to buy a dual 1.4GHz in two weeks as much as the next person, but I think Apple's motives here make a lot of sense.

-JINX
 
Evidently a misleading rumor...

This has to be one of those completely misleading leaks that Apple intentionaly lets loose. Remember what happened right before the iPod came out... we even had "pictures" of what it would look like, and it was anything but the real thing.
 
Diamond J and his possy...

...got hung by a crowd like this. Man oh man, everyone COOOOOL OUT. First, Apple recently made available the 1 ghz upgrade card available to outdated Powermacs. This means they are coming out with a substantial upgrade soon. A redesigned motherboard, that requires a new case, and uses DDR is gonna be SMOKIN!!! I bet my mom (and she makes good cake) that when these new powermacs come out they will not disappoint. They will bring apple in benchmarks across the board to be equivalent or surpassing (in that hard to average out way) to the latest p4's etc...So what if they take another month to do it? Better that and doing it right than listening to everyone here WHINE and putting out something with glitches, right? I dunno about you people, but when i plan to spend 3,000 smackers on a system, i'm willing to wait a month to get a butt-rocking, er, kicking, system with undoubtedly the finest operating system on the planet. STATE of the ART my friends. And for all you impatient freaks out there who just can't wiat, go buy your pcs, and we'll see who's getting headaches once a month for the next two years working on an inferior operating system on a slower machine...

whew...i feel much better now....
 
Re: boo hoo...

Originally posted by tjwett
this is the kind of news that makes me mad in many ways. if it's true, it shows a pathetic move on Apple's part. potential converts have never been so interested in the Mac as now. if they don't come up with some competitive hardware soon they can kiss the "switch" thing goodbye. and if it's not true, and this is just Apple sending out bullsh!t rumors to create a smokescreen then that makes me mad too. plus, i was just getting ready to dump a ton of money on a serious new studio power system and if i have to wait any longer i'll be screwed, and thus, very mad. i'll be at MWNY, and if i wait all day for a new PowerMac and Steve says "oh, one more thing..." and pulls out a digital picture frame, i'll never buy a Mac again.
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Completely agree with you...
 
Unfortunately, while I understand Apple's business practices with this move, this creates ENORMOUS pressure now for their towers to be nothing less than earth shattering. And, this will probably cripple the potential for what the imac could be.
Why release a 1ghz imac with a 17" when there is a tired out 800mhz SUPER TOWER still hobbling around waiting to be bought? I think that the imacs will be 933mhz tops, IF they even get a speed boost. So when the new towers ever come out, unless the blow away the professional crowd, there will be people leaving I feel.
 
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