19inch LCD's and PowerBooks November 5, 2002

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Originally posted by The Grimace

How is OS X's failure to 'Force Quit' WarCraft III Blizzards fault? Here I thought under OS X every app ran in a protected memory space, which couldn't touch the OSs' or any other apps space. Golly gee. If this is true, then how is WarCraft III able to bring the ENTIRE OS to a complete and utter standstill? FYI, none of the suggested remedies on Blizzards site worked.
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Just because the memory space is protected doesn't mean the application can't access a level of the system that isn't protected. I haven't had any problems with warcraft3. I read the site you posted. http://www.blizzard.com/support/?id=mwr0669p

No where does it say that the *bug* is OS X's fault. It simply tells you to quit all your applications before running wc3 (free up resources). It also says to quit those mouse programs, which probably iterfere with wc3 capturing the location of the mouse on the screen. It says to update card drivers. They probably directly access the video card or something for their graphics, I don't know anything about how blizzards game engine works, but if they have a bug and are accessing low level parts of the system, I wouldn't be surprised if it could cause a crash. Step 4 points out that on some systems there's a carbon library *for developers* http://www.radgametools.com yes you see credits to rad gametools on wc3 and starcraft etc, because blizzard uses their product for audio. then they tell you to reinstall the game. *Obviously* the *bug* is not OS X's fault. Blizzard just needs to figure out what is causing it and release a fix. Please stop bitching and saying that its OS X's fault. I challenge you to find real evidence/data that contradicts what I have just said. Please.
 
Re: Mac OS 9 test

Originally posted by Foocha
A little test to find out if OS 9 holds up your workflow.

Select any application you like - Photoshop for example. Get it started on a time consuming task - applying a filter to a large file for example. Now click on a menu - any menu - and hold your mouse down. Now wait until the application completes its task, without releasing the mouse button.

Photoshop will freeze until you release the mouse button - as will almost every other process running in OS 9.

OS features like preemptive multitasking and memory protection are not just for UNIX geeks - even graphic designers need them ;)
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Gimme a freakin break - you rationalize the speed and productivity of OS X because you can hold the mouse button down and make Pshop stutter n freeze?

I spend all my time shooting/editing video with applied Photoshop layers and After Effects processing - there is no way that X is faster. It's about raw speed for some of us. Not to mention the ridiculous delays in opening windows... though the wait wouldn't be so bad on a 19" LCD priced at $800 or LESS. ;)
 
Something's coming...

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CompUSA is displaying lots of Out-of-Stock or Limited Quanities on either the 667 or 800.
 
No where does it say that the *bug* is OS X's fault.
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And where did I say that the bug in WCIII was Apple's fault? All I did was give examples of OS Xs inability to handle tasks that OS 9 could. Which you still have been unable to logically refute. All you have offered is insult and insinuation.

If there is a bug in Blizzards game engine that is wreaking havoc with OS X, then it is Blizzards problem. If OS X is unable to handle said bug in the manner implied by Apple (read the paragraph on 'Stability and Power'), then this Apples problem.

And why exactly should I not expect OS X to be able to handle my "p.o.s. HP camera" as elegantly as OS 9?

Arn - point taken, this is the last you'll hear from me on this matter.

(tig)
Hopin' fer a standardized 17" FP iMac line...
 
Re: Re: Mac OS 9 test

Originally posted by guiglio



Gimme a freakin break - you rationalize the speed and productivity of OS X because you can hold the mouse button down and make Pshop stutter n freeze?

I spend all my time shooting/editing video with applied Photoshop layers and After Effects processing - there is no way that X is faster. It's about raw speed for some of us. Not to mention the ridiculous delays in opening windows... though the wait wouldn't be so bad on a 19" LCD priced at $800 or LESS. ;)
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What about the fact that you can capture DV via firewire in FCP 3 on OS X in the background while suffing, using MS Office, etc.? (I can't 'cuz my system is too old/slow, but I've seen it done on DP 800 Quicksilvers) I doubt OS 9 would handle that.

One of the "nice" things about OS 9's cooperative multitasking is that FCP, Photoshop and games that NEED the cpu can hog it all they want. It makes the OS feel faster because the front-most app' is snappy, but time a big FCP render in the background while surfing the web and then time it in the foreground - It should be faster on OS 9 when in the foreground, but faster on OS X when in the background. (Unless FCP "renices" itself to a higher/lower priority based on when it's GUI has the focus or not)

(Sorry for staying off topic Arn. - that's my last post on this here. I promise! :) )
 
Formac - Fujitsu LCDs

Moving right allong...

Does anyone here now of any other companies selling LCD monitors that use the Fujitsu MVA LCDs? (or something comperable to them)

I'd love to see a proce comparison.
 
Just curious - do you have a 2nd computer that you can hook up to your OS X box via a ethernet? If so, and if you can get WC to freeze up on you again, (and if you're a geek like me ;-) ) try ssh'ing (or telneting if you turn it on) into the Mac from that other PC. It could be that finder or quartz has crapped out on you because of some bizarre bug and you might be able to kill it and restart it without rebooting the computer.

Or, have the other PC logged into the Mac and running "top" - watch the CPU utilization when WC freezes and see if WC isn't just hogging the hole cpu. (If the thing actually crashes, your telnet/ssh session should go dead)
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I'm gonna assume (and hope I don't make an....) that this was directed at me, not at _Mirage.

Yeah, I do, in fact. Got a Wallstreet running 10.1.5. And I'm just enough of a wannabe-geek to try this. Thanks for the tip.

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Ok This is the last I have to say off-topic. Really. I promise.
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(tig)
 
please

Arn,
could you please make these guys either start a whiner/argument thread, or ban them?? I love this site and when i enter a thread about PB's and LCD's i would love to engage in conversation about that topic! I saw 100 and some posts and thought there was going to be new info.... and instead i wind up reading two big-headed wind-bags pumping up their egos....

Thanks,
technocoy

and on that note,
i would love to see
1 ghz
new video card
and bluetooth
the superdrive would be nice, but i've been waiting for an eternity and just want a new speedy powerbook at this point!!!:( :D
 
Originally posted by The Grimace


And where did I say that the bug in WCIII was Apple's fault? All I did was give examples of OS Xs inability to handle tasks that OS 9 could. Which you still have been unable to logically refute. All you have offered is insult and insinuation.


And why exactly should I not expect OS X to be able to handle my "p.o.s. HP camera" as elegantly as OS 9?
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In theory this is what Rondevous might help to resolve, but what you need is a fairly complicated database and driver file on the host computer.

Alot of old equipment out there but programs like Powerprint and Dataviz show it is possible.

If only we could INTEGRATE all the legacy drivers and programs in an ENVIRONMENT that effectively emulates OS4,5,6,7,8,9, Win(all), etc.

Rocketmen
 
Re: Formac - Fujitsu LCDs

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
Moving right allong...

Does anyone here now of any other companies selling LCD monitors that use the Fujitsu MVA LCDs? (or something comperable to them)

I'd love to see a proce comparison.
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I think Planar also uses Fujitsu MVA screens. There are some here:

http://www.monitorsdirect.com
 
Slightly off topic, but NO flames :]

I just went to my favorite Mac store and talked to the Sales/Tech guy, I was filling him in on this 19" moniter and TB upgrade. He asked about any iBook rumors, but all I had was the "old" ones from here.

Anyways, he said he called his supplier, and they said they could get an iBook for him, but they wouldn't recommend stocking the shelves with iBooks.

I know, thin, BUT it would make sense with a New TB coming out, to bump up the iBook before xmas.

Well thats all, like I said thin but interesting.

On Topic, a 19" moniter would be perfect for my Cube, I can't wait :cool:
 
G4 upgrade for Blue and White

Originally posted by reyesmac
Hey eyeONdoor, I am buying a 500mhz G4 for my bw g3 350 soon. Is there anything you would say about the upgrade or can you tell me if it was worth it? Thanks.
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Hey --- I bought the PowerLogix G4 upgrade (550 MHz) for my Blue and White and I would recommend it. There is a definite speed boost under OS X. Check out Accelerate Your Mac for more G4 ugrade opinions.
 
G4 upgrade for Blue and White

i had gotten an xlr8 G4 500 upgrade before they went out of business and overall its worked out fine. the only problem i've had is importing video in imovie where the entire machine freezes up. i'm running jaguar and i have to reboot when this happens, though apple doesn't support these upgrades for OSX so there ya' go...

it'll keep me going until the new G4/G5/970 comes out/if it comes out...or any damn pro mac comes out in the next few months damn it!!!..lol
 
Re: Re: 9 vs X is different on an iBook

Originally posted by Mirage_
yeah my pismo's battery life is shorter on os x, I wonder how it fares on a TiBook... Anyone know? Mines really bad... like an hour or so down from five.
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Had the same problem. turned out my PSU was dodgy and killed the battery. Course...it was covered under appleCare. Since getting a replacement my battery life is back where it should be...

5 hours on a Pismo? Yeah right. Even at the lowest settings 3 hrs is damn good unless you're counting leaving it asleep...
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: John123 Returns...

Originally posted by Mirage_

But thats not the point. The point is that the two have nothing to do with each other, and saying that they should take resources away from iApps and put it towards OS development is a pointless statement. When I hit up apple.com/jobs and do a search on Software Engineering, I see a list of about 20+ jobs related to the OS itself, and about 2 or 3 related to iApps. Seems like Apple is investing resources in OS development to me, what data were you basing your breakdown of iApp vs OS X.
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I would suggest either laying off the caffeine or getting a gym membership and working off some of your rage constructively...:rolleyes:

But then again, it's always nice to follow the spirited exchanges on this forum.


About the Powerbooks upcoming, and the current 800's for that matter too: I've only got a 450 G3 that I bought new, and it came with 8.6 on disc. The apple web site makes it look like they provide a disc for 9.2 and a disc for OSX with each new computer -- is this true? If not, do they give you a disc with OS9 on it, or do you have to install both OS's unless you come across a disc for OS9 from another source? I know this is really dum-dum stuff, but I'm interested in finding out. I have a disc with 9.1 on it: Are the newer powerbooks/powermacs able to boot into 9.1 or are they limited to 9.2 and up? Appreciate the responses.

regards,

vixapphire

(edited to remove boring references to previous flamer/rager's self-immolation)
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: John123 Returns...

Originally posted by Mirage_


Ok, rofl, as if the number of posts i've put up on mac rumors has any significance at all. Second, and *I* quote:
"It's time for Apple to step it up and devote some of that R&D money currently designated for iApps to OS optimization." You're stating a comparison of the two subjects right there. It groups the two entities into the same group, and implies that resources can be/are shifted between the two freely. I've already stated that there are a minimum of two teams, one working on the OS, and one working on iApps. You could further break this down, into teams for each iApp, and teams for specific parts of the OS. But thats not the point. The point is that the two have nothing to do with each other, and saying that they should take resources away from iApps and put it towards OS development is a pointless statement. What they can do is hire more talent to work on the OS. When I hit up apple.com/jobs and do a search on Software Engineering, I see a list of about 20+ jobs related to the OS itself, and about 2 or 3 related to iApps. Seems like Apple is investing resources in OS development to me, what data were you basing your breakdown of iApp vs OS X. I've seen great improvement since the beta of OS X. And please, OS X looks to much like XP? You've got it backwards, screenshots of XP's interface started getting leaked a few weeks after the OS X beta was released. Don't try and qualify yourself by your meaningless macrumors rating. It means nothing. Please continue to defend your opinions which are based on nothing. At least this 'n00b' has some sort of physical data to back up his post. (heres a hint, if you don't want to compare iApps and os x optimization, then remove one of them and just say, "I think apple needs to continue to work on optimizing OS X")
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I'm gonna keep this short and sweet because, as Arn so aptly pointed out, this general discussion is rather off-topic. I really don't know why all the flamers have come out to attack me, but...

You didn't present any "physical data" on anything. I think we can all agree that there is some non-zero dollar amount spent on iApps R&D, and there is also some other non-zero dollar amount spent on development on the OS and OS optimization. Therefore, by elementary logic, money *could* be taken from one project and re-allocated to another. The relative proportions of R&D money spent on each project is completely irrelevant -- I still maintain that LESS should be spent on one and MORE should be spent on another. I don't know why this logic -- and yes, my *opinion* as to what Apple should do -- is proving so difficult for you to understand.

As for my comment about Windows XP looking like OS X, I made NO comment about which one came first. I simply said that I don't like the GUI on either and prefer the simplicity of OS 9 and Windows 2000.

I'm going to leave you alone. If you want to flame me back, knock yourself out. All I've tried to do is voice an opinion of what I *hope* will happen -- i.e., that the new PowerBooks will come out this year and not at MWSF -- and the reasons behind my hopes. If that means that you want to be a bitter person and flame me again, I won't respond in kind.

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OK, with that done: who here cares about a SuperDrive in the next round of PowerBooks, and who'd rather see a bigger speed bump and a Radeon Mobility 9000 (assuming that this is an either-or proposition)?
 
no question; give me speed and better video. if i want some flashpants drive, i'll buy an external and keep it for use with future computers. ahh, the beauty of firewire/usb/scsi/whatev.


(honored)

cheers,
vixapphire
 
I'd rather see the overall speed boost; a mobile Superdrive certainly isn't going to be any faster than the current desktop drives that are on their way out. It would perhaps help out the "desktop replacement" types who don't use anything BUT a Powerbook, but they're a fairly small niche - or at least, the ones who would also need DVD recording are.
 
I tend to agree. About a year ago, when the PowerBook G4 Rev. Bs were being rumored, we talked a lot about whether anyone cared about having a combo drive. Some of us (me included) said it was pointless -- because external CD-RWs burned much faster and because it wasn't that hard to lug an external around. Others really wanted a combo drive. Of course, the Rev. Bs came out without a combo drive, only to get combo drives for $100 more not too long thereafter.

I was one of the people who bought the first revision Bs without a combo drive, and I was happy to finally get a combo drive when I sold my Rev. B and got a DVI. Then I started using it and realized that there's just no substitute for a nice, fast external.

I'd love for Apple to focus on the speed and the graphics chip and leave the SuperDrive for another day. Maybe make a portable, Firewire (Gigawire?) one to satisfy those folks who want one. Making it standard seems kind of like a waste to me, and it'll artificially increase the price point. With PC laptop pricing more aggressive than ever, I think that's the last thing Apple should do.
 
Re: Superdrive in PB

I can go either way on the SuperDrive issue.

Sony has already beaten Apple to the punch there, but with a less aesthetically pleasing manner (no slot load, thicker enclosure). Apple has repeatedly promoted video professionals using PowerBooks for work, and a DVD burner would be a welcome addition. However if time/$ constraints are an issue, I agree they need to go ahead and release something soon.

Apple definitely seems to be waiting on something...what that is is unclear right now. The possibilities are numerous: DDR, GPU, CPU...Superdrive...?

Maybe we'll see on the 5th. :D
 
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