1Password 8 for Mac With Improved Interface, Performance, and More Now Available in Early Access

[deeddawg]

So my standalone license won't work anymore, I have to subscribe and the new app is based on Electron. Sounds like a good time to ditch it.

I imagine your standalone license to v7 will continue working as long as v7 keeps working.

So time to start looking for an alternative, but you likely have a bit of a runway.

Which also means the competition has a good opportunity as there's a quantity of 1Password customers who are now looking for an alternative.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I just looked up bitwarden. They are cloud only? Even when it comes to their free version?

You can self host Bitwarden. I use Bitwarden as a backup to Strongbox.

 

[usagora]

You broadened your response to include most folks here when you wrote:



... and thus I responded with my post.

You misunderstood me. I'm not saying you shouldn't have responded to me or brought up another perspective; I'm saying you shouldn't act like the post of mine you quoted was in any way connected to what you posted and then retroactively call it "silly". I was responding to someone else's assertion, which wasn't the same assertion as yours. And my point stands. Surely you're not going to deny that probably 99% of the people here could find $3/month in their budget if they really wanted to? So it's really a simple matter of balancing the budget to subscribe to 1Password with no added financial burden, not even $2.99/month worth

People have been spoiled by perpetual licenses, so it's understandable that there's resistance to subscriptions, but it's not going away, so there's no use crying over spilt milk. But if you're able to find something that works just as well in your opinion for cheaper or free, then by all means go for it.

As to the individual you replied to, perhaps they did the math and realized that $3/month ends up being ~$120 given the ~40 month major version release schedule between v7 & v8 as compared to a $50 standalone upgrade cost.

Paying 2.4 times more for the same thing does kinda seem expensive, no?

Of course it's relatively more expensive, but still very reasonable for what you get. It's nothing outlandish. Not really sure what all the fuss is about. If you like another pw manager better, then just use that and move on!

 

[TTTedP]

Bye Felicia!

I dropped Evernote for Notes last year. This year I started the transition from 1P to Keychain. Its not great but good enough. Been a 1P user for 10 years but now living mostly in the walled garden and have no qualms dropping another app. Cleans up my system tray and no subscriptions!

 

[aajeevlin]

You can self host Bitwarden. I use Bitwarden as a backup to Strongbox.

Good to know. Backup to strongbox. Can you talk about more that?

 

[msackey]

Which also means the competition has a good opportunity as there's a quantity of 1Password customers who are now looking for an alternative.

Indeed! For example, I just heard of Strongbox and like it’s model of purchase. The only thing is it doesn’t have a Windows version. It’s not a big loss to use Mac/iOS only platform apps, but would be nice to have software that is available on Mac, iOS, and Windows. But anyhow…

 

[jonnysods]

Huge fan of 1Password - I don't like subscription models but I couldn't run my business without it, or protect my data.

 

[Wookbert]

Happily running this app, but I maxed out at version 6 with no plans on updating to 7 or 8.

Rest assured that either they or Apple through a mac OS update will break the older versions and accordingly try to force everyone into version 8 with the bloody subscription model.

I’ve been a happy 1pwd user for more than a decade and have recommended to literally hundreds of customers, but the subscription move brings my loyalty to an abrupt end. I'll use version 7.x as long as possible, but when it stops working, I'll definitely switch to something else, as I hate subscriptions. Make it 99 Cents/month or USD 9.99/annually, and we can talk again. That would be a no-brainer. But not nearly 40 bucks each and every year. Plus: I trust the iCloud drive more than having my password vault sitting on AgileBits’ servers.

 

[MisterSavage]

I just looked up bitwarden. They are cloud only? Even when it comes to their free version?

There's a "self hosting" option where you can put your vault on a server you control.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Good to know. Backup to strongbox. Can you talk about more that?

Sorry for the confusion. In case there were ever to be a problem with getting Strongbox open, I have an identical vault with Bitwarden.

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[Boris Bronson]

As a Canadian I would like to support a Canadian company but I cannot support a company that has gone in the same lying to customers ditch as Apple. If they were honest and said that financially the subscription model was the only one that would allow them to survive and prosper then I may believe them. But to basically hide the licence option and then give us the BS line that 99% of customers preferred that...please...we are not that gullible. A sad way to operate. Oh well, we all will carry on.

I’m not a Canuck but hello there, sensible North American cousin!

One of the side benefits of 1P was a company growing outside of Silicon Valley so nationality aside, there was a bonus to promoting it.

As a user since v1 of 1Passwd - Agile Bits needs to know why some of us are a bit ‘passionate’ in our criticism: we ran with 1P and acted like affiliates for families and colleagues. We didn’t get an ounce of recognition, nor even a small discount from upgrades. We brought hundreds if not thousands of new users into the fold for Agile Bits on the basis it was trustworthy company and doing it for the right reasons. Further, we acted as de facto support in lieu of any effective support provided by Agile Bits.

We did all that despite the fact support got worse and worse. That statement A lasted two minutes until statement B was made signalling a complete 360. Whilst Dave and Roustem and the AB vets got rich of our support. And for the past five years they have kept us dangling whilst all along they were set on shelving stand-alone licences and vaults, and removing native code.

Talk about a kick in the face, and no doubt the first graders who defend Apple’s every move will be along shortly to call us stupid for investing in this company.

 

[Boris Bronson]

Rest assured that either they or Apple through a mac OS update will break the older versions and accordingly try to force everyone into version 8 with the bloody subscription model.

I’ve been a happy 1pwd user for more than a decade and have recommended to literally hundreds of customers, but the subscription move brings my loyalty to an abrupt end. I'll use version 7.x as long as possible, but when it stops working, I'll definitely switch to something else, as I hate subscriptions. Make it 99 Cents/month or USD 9.99/annually and we can talk again. But not 40 bucks each and every year. Plus: I trust the iCloud drive more than having my password vault sitting on AgileBits’ servers.

As a Brit they don’t even have a compelling server option for me. All three account types are outside of UK legal jurisdiction (not going .com because the source isn’t open and last I looked AB don’t publish how many law enforcement/NSA requests they get).

My own hosted vault or encrypted iCloud vault is the only option for Brits who don’t want to have their personal data stored in some legal grey area location.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Huge fan of 1Password - I don't like subscription models but I couldn't run my business without it, or protect my data.

Sounds like they got you where they want you

 

[PeteBurgh]

For example, you subscribe to Software ABC and used it for 5 months and then forgot about it and didn’t use it for the next 12 months until you reviewed your annual expenses

Thanks for sharing! Yes, I see what you mean.

I suppose I feel that if I continue to pay for a monthly service for 12 months after I stop using it, well, that’s on me. It may be a sunk cost, but I’ve only got myself to blame.

Whereas in some of the pay up front scenarios, the ‘sunk cost’ happens for reasons outside my control (the product gets worse, or gets Sherlocked, or something better come along, etc).

 

[turbineseaplane]

As a user since v1 of 1Passwd - Agile Bits needs to know why some of us are a bit ‘passionate’ in our criticism: we ran with 1P and acted like affiliates for families and colleagues.

Yep! That was me at one point also.
I admittedly stopped doing that as soon as the subscriptions showed up a while back.

 

[msackey]

Yep! That was me at one point also.
I admittedly stopped doing that as soon as the subscriptions showed up a while back.

Same here. I used to rave about 1Password and admired that when it went subscription model it also allowed for and continued the standalone license model.

Why can’t they have a model where you purchase a ”license” for 1Password 8 and where you can continue to use it but any major features added will require you to pay additional unless you are using the “subscription model”?

I know this doesn’t address the issue that some have where their passwords are being kept on AgileBits server. I personally don’t have an issue with that; my issue is with the subscription-only model.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Why can’t they have a model where you purchase a ”license” for 1Password 8 and where you can continue to use it but any major features added will require you to pay additional unless you are using the “subscription model”?

Not sure they'll ever give you a straight answer on that.

My guess is that they simply make more money with subscriptions and thus want to dispense with dealing with other methods of purchase/licensing.

 

[bradl]

But $351 would be a MONTHLY car payment, not a once-every-9-years payment. We're not talking about paying $351/month for 1Password. THAT would be "ridiculously expensive." Yes, I understand of course that being satisfied with one version you bought a standalone license for years ago and never upgraded saves you money over a subscription that gives you regular updates. But that still doesn't mean the subscription cost is "ridiculously expensive." It's more expensive than what you paid over the course of 9 years for an older version of the software, but not ridiculous.

Which is going to appeal more to the consumer: A 1-time $35 payment, good for lifetime, or $3/month for the lifetime of the product, until that product is no longer supported, which you would have to pay for something else, with equal or more per month for the subscription?

The point here is that the price for the subscription NEVER ENDS, where I've had the one time payment only, never having to pay for it again. Take that up to, say, 20 - 30 years, and see the difference in savings. The one to take is an obvious no-brainer here: $720 over the course of 20 years, and $1080 over the course of 30 years, versus $35 one time.

The one time is going to appeal more as they are one and done, versus something recurring all the time that when you are done with it, you may forget that you have it, and keep paying on it until you realize you've lost money from forgetting to cancel. And yes, many a person has done that.

1Password 8 for Mac With Improved Interface, Performance, and More Now Available in Early Access

For those worried about their vaults being cloud-based, a good practice for a little extra security is to add a unique PIN or other sequence of characters to every password you create on a website that you memorize, but don't include that part in the password stored in 1Password (or whatever...

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Yep. And when you're being investigated for something, and you exert your 4A right to have them require a warrant to get to your phone or something physically in your possession, You then realize that your data in the cloud is in the possession of a 3rd party, who is not privy to your 4A right to needing a warrant. All that the investigators would need is a simple subpoena, which they can right and get executed themselves by simply being a Clerk of the Court, and get that third party to hand over your vault, regardless of what PINs you've put on your vault.

No, they don't have the means to get into your vault (yet), but they have the means to get your vault, without your consent; That is the problem.

BL.

 

[Wookbert]

So, after reading through all these comments, it comes down to that it's either that we are all nerds and that 1% which doesn't like to be forced into a subscription. Or that „99% of all users prefer the subscription model“ claim is plain marketing bogus. I guess we all know the truth.

Time to move on or at least to prepare. I have plenty of customers which are still using their 5-favorite-password-carousel-scheme, and which I need to introduce to the password manager concept. Guess what: It won't be 1Pwd any longer. The ship has sailed.

So Strongbox and Bitwarden have been suggested a few times here. Both look appealing.
Can someone write down the pros and cons of either app? Does either app have a K.O. criteria?

Plus: Does either app support proper import of 1Pwd vaults (including tags, custom field etc.)?

A side-by-side feature & pricing comparison table would be nice to have.

 

[rme]

Lots of people are complaining about the price, but they do offer standalone users a 50% discount for the next 3 years (3x36*0.5=$54 for 3 years) https://1password.community/discussion/comment/601917/#Comment_601917

 

[turbineseaplane]

Lots of people are complaining about the price, but they do offer standalone users a 50% discount for the next 3 years (3x36*0.5=$54 for 3 years) https://1password.community/discussion/comment/601917/#Comment_601917

That's just a discount on signing up for the sub though..
That's not really that exciting if you prefer standalone

 

[bradl]

Lots of people are complaining about the price, but they do offer standalone users a 50% discount for the next 3 years (3x36*0.5=$54 for 3 years) https://1password.community/discussion/comment/601917/#Comment_601917

This may be true, but the issue here then becomes that the standalone users would be paying more for their copy of the application (plus the subscription) than they paid for the entire copy of the application they have, and have been using for years. Why pay more for what you already have?

BL.

 

[bradl]

But not for iP8...
Since memberships have become "even more awesome"



"Since then 1Password memberships have become even more awesome. So much so that our next generation of apps were built to tightly integrate with our 1Password service and as such require a membership. And now that 1Password 8 for Windows is in early access we have ceased all license sales."

Wait... so you're saying that they are no longer selling single licenses of 1Password 7?? Just want to be sure here, because this could be the deal breaker for me...

BL.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Wait... so you're saying that they are no longer selling single licenses of 1Password 7?? Just want to be sure here, because this could be the deal breaker for me...

BL.

I'm unclear on that part honestly

 

[Wookbert]

Wait... so you're saying that they are no longer selling single licenses of 1Password 7?? Just want to be sure here, because this could be the deal breaker for me...

BL.

Uhmm... The fact that standalone licenses have been officially declared dead, is the reason why this comment section is boiling over. Just read through those 190something comments!